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rahad said:
We dodged a bullet with PLD. What a horrible contract for a prima donna. Already on his third teams before he reach the age of 30....
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Until the next home town hero comes available and the multitudes start their predictable braying for us to acquire him.
 
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rahad said:
We dodged a bullet with PLD. What a horrible contract for a prima donna. Already on his third teams before he reach the age of 30....
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I think some of our fans might not dislike a trade involving Gally and Armia for PLD.

And LA coach Todd McClellan wants work ethic and he’d get it in spades with Gally, mangled carcass and all.
 
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Lafleurs Guy said:
Eiserman could be a 50 goal guy. But seems to be a one way player. Still, he and Bedard would probably light it up together. There’s a 6’7 blueliner projected to go 2nd. There’s hulking centerman Lindstrom… lots of stuff to choose from.

I hope we move up via trade. We have excess defenseman to trade with. Lindstrom or Eiserman would be pretty awesome.
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From everything ive read and heard, Eiserman is a one-dimensional player and that one-dimension is an amazing shot and hardly anything else. Personally, Ive already seen the Benoit Pouliot show here, im ok to pass on to more rounded players.
 
SwiftyHab said:
From everything ive read and heard, Eiserman is a one-dimensional player and that one-dimension is an amazing shot and hardly anything else. Personally, Ive already seen the Benoit Pouliot show here, im ok to pass on to more rounded players.
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Mike Bossy was passed on for the same reasons.

Goal scoring is the single most important skill a player can have. Defensive play can be taught.

Imagine two 50 goal scorers in the lineup. Imagine a PP with two snipers and Hutson.
 
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Lafleurs Guy said:
Mike Bossy was passed on for the same reasons.

Goal scoring is the single most important skill a player can have. Defensive play can be taught.

Imagine two 50 goal scorers in the lineup. Imagine a PP with two snipers and Hutson.
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Completely agree but from what im reading and seeing its not about how bad he is in other aspects of the game but more about his lack of effort or desire to be better than just his shot. You can have the greatest teachers but if youre not willing to learn or cant pay attention, you wont get any better. Not sure whats going on in his head but if he can flip that switch then ya he'd be a gamebreaker for sure.

My preference is to take Demidov and with Adam Nicholas and our development team, turn him into Fullidov
 
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SwiftyHab said:
Completely agree but from what im reading and seeing its not about how bad he is in other aspects of the game but more about his lack of effort or desire to be better than just his shot. You can have the greatest teachers but if youre not willing to learn or cant pay attention, you wont get any better. Not sure whats going on in his head but if he can flip that switch then ya he'd be a gamebreaker for sure.

My preference is to take Demidov and with Adam Nicholas and our development team, turn him into Fullidov
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I seriously doubt we draft Eiserman, I'm expecting us to take Celebrini/Lindstrom/Demidov.
 
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SwiftyHab said:
Completely agree but from what im reading and seeing its not about how bad he is in other aspects of the game but more about his lack of effort or desire to be better than just his shot. You can have the greatest teachers but if youre not willing to learn or cant pay attention, you wont get any better. Not sure whats going on in his head but if he can flip that switch then ya he'd be a gamebreaker for sure.

My preference is to take Demidov and with Adam Nicholas and our development team, turn him into Fullidov
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all very fair points... though I wonder how much of his issues are from a lack of competition vs an outright bad attitude?

i haven't read anything suggesting he's uncoachable or problematic off-ice, moreso that he tends to float a bit and doesn't show consistent engagement/effort. Not ideal, but unrealized prospect pathways are littered with guys that had complete games/high compete levels who didn't have the skill to translate it to regular NHL roles.

With our development team and organization culture firmly in place, I'd be fine with us taking a shot on a kid that needs to mature a bit to make the most of his immense skill. The compete-level of our young core is very solid, and i'd trust in the culture steering him the right way... especially with CC/Hutson as high-effort/high-work ethic team USA guys already in place.

Eiserman or Demidov seem like the highest ceiling/elite talents that might fall to us with a top 5-7 pick, if either of them do, i hope we snag one. (then, leverage some draft collateral or LD depth to move into a pick in the teens to get Iginla... a lower ceiling/more complete forward to add to our org depth.
 
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Lafleurs Guy said:
Mike Bossy was passed on for the same reasons.

Goal scoring is the single most important skill a player can have. Defensive play can be taught.

Imagine two 50 goal scorers in the lineup. Imagine a PP with two snipers and Hutson.
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Defensive play can be taught, but I think your underplaying how hard it is to teach. One of the most common reasons offense-inclined prospects don't pan out is you can't teach them defensive play.

And while its harder, goal scoring can be taught too.

And instead of imagining two 50 goal scorers in the lineup or a PP with two snipers and Hutson, I'd rather imagine a team with a bunch of dual threat forwards who can drive play, create chances and score (plus Hutson). I don't actually think goal scoring is the most important skill, its just that goals are the most important thing in the game. Two many guys who score goals and not enough guys who can get them scoring opportunities means you wont ever have 50 goal scorers.
 
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Captain Mountain said:
Defensive play can be taught, but I think your underplaying how hard it is to teach. One of the most common reasons offense-inclined prospects don't pan out is you can't teach them defensive play.

And while its harder, goal scoring can be taught too.

And instead of imagining two 50 goal scorers in the lineup or a PP with two snipers and Hutson, I'd rather imagine a team with a bunch of dual threat forwards who can drive play, create chances and score (plus Hutson). I don't actually think goal scoring is the most important skill, its just that goals are the most important thing in the game. Two many guys who score goals and not enough guys who can get them scoring opportunities means you wont ever have 50 goal scorers.
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If the guy can score 50, you take him.
 
Captain Mountain said:
If the team is made up of guys who can score 50, but can't create or defend, you'll have a team of Laine's and Anderson's and wont even sniff the playoffs.

Give me the guy that can score 20-40, but elevates the team. That's who successful teams have.
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No team is made up of 50 goal scorers. But if you have two you’re in amazing shape.

Goal scoring is far harder to acquire than two way play. You can find two way players much easier. Hell, Dach can give you two way play… just play them together
 
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just checking in on a break from work... and eesh, its not looking like a good tank night all around lol

oh well, if it's Suzuki, Slaf and Cole scoring and making us win I'm over it ... I always want them to be progressing and getting points ... Monahan too as it'll raise his trade value....

wouldn have been nice to been in 6th a lil longer.. but oh well ... let's see how the rest of the night turns out.
 
Runner77 said:
I think some of our fans might not dislike a trade involving Gally and Armia for PLD.

And LA coach Todd McClellan wants work ethic and he’d get it in spades with Gally, mangled carcass and all.
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Gally contract end in 3 years. I don,t think you want to endure 7 more years of PLD. Also with Gally history of injury. He probably will end up like Price (on his last 2 years of his contract). He is one major injury from ending his NHL career.
 
The Habs will pick up some points in Feb since they have 3 easy ones at home vs Ducks, Sabers, Yotes, plus the blues and there's 2 vs the Caps as those will be big games.

After Feb their schedule is brutal with only 2 easy games the rest of the season vs Jackets and Sens.
 
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montreal said:
The Habs will pick up some points in Feb since they have 3 easy ones at home vs Ducks, Sabers, Yotes, plus the blues and there's 2 vs the Caps as those will be big games.

After Feb their schedule is brutal with only 2 easy games the rest of the season vs Jackets and Sens.
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Damn. At worst I think we can draft Iginla if we end up 9-12
 
Captain Mountain said:
If the team is made up of guys who can score 50, but can't create or defend, you'll have a team of Laine's and Anderson's and wont even sniff the playoffs.

Give me the guy that can score 20-40, but elevates the team. That's who successful teams have.
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Wait, are you implying Anderson can score 50? How high are you brother?
 
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