The New York Rangers are a perfectly built team this year

[leafsfan5]

Who's start is more disappointing, Canes or Rangers? Both are pretty damn bad this year so far after coming in with high expectations. At least Canes have the injury excuse, I don't think NYR has had any key injuries but correct me if I'm wrong

Canes for sure. The Rangers regressing isn't surprising imo, like others have said they got a generational season from Shesterkin last year and Kreider with the most unexpected 50 goal season since Cheechoo. That wasn't happening again

 

[BB88]

Does this prove that BPA isn't always 100% correct all the time at the draft? Yes Kakko was beloved by everyone before and after the draft but Even back then everyone could tell that their Center depth was their weakness. After Zibs all they had was Strome and I don't remember Chytil being considered as the Savior of the future.

Not Picking Kakko wouldn't have garanteed them a great center as there were a couple in that draft that haven't lived up to the hype but Dach was picked 3rd and Zegras was picked 9th.

After going with Kakko in 2019 they definitely had cover to pick positional need over BPA. Byfield (eh?) and Stutzle were right there.
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I saw a ranger fan talk about trying to rebuild but with their vets having NMC and long contracts that isn't really possible. They could however go all in on this draft, I'm sure there are multiple teams that believe they could fix Laf and Kakko who would give up a 1st, early 2nd or a good prospect in return. Lildgren probably is the Rangers best trade asset. Based off the Islander/Habs Romanov trade the Rangers should be able to get a high pick.
Losing Lindgren would suck but rangers would have to trust Schneider and Miller step up.

After doing all that the Rangers have three 1sts or more and other assets to use as picks or to trade at the draft for good developed players.

If the same thing happens with every prospect I’d probably look at the team.

How many years back do you need to go to find a real top6 talent Rangers have developed into their lineup?

Panarin, Trocheck& Zib came elsewhere. Kreider is 31

 

[AhosDatsyukian]

Canes for sure. The Rangers regressing isn't surprising imo, like others have said they got a generational season from Shesterkin last year and Kreider with the most unexpected 50 goal season since Cheechoo. That wasn't happening again

I wasn’t as high on them last year as many were and Igor’s play was unsustainable but I didn’t think he’d fall off quite this much. And Kreider obviously wasn’t going to come close to 50 goals again but I did think they could make up for it with the Trocheck signing and possible steps forward from Lafreniere/Kakko. But man those 2 really are massive busts and are what has killed them, if either had come even close to being a legit top line forward they’d be in much better shape but both are 3rd liners at best. Also Miller who I thought was showing signs of breaking out last year has been a huge disappointment.

 

[Xirik]

If the same thing happens with every prospect I’d probably look at the team.

How many years back do you need to go to find a real top6 talent Rangers have developed into their lineup?

Panarin, Trocheck& Zib came elsewhere. Kreider is 31

They seem to develop their Defencemen quite well as far as I can see. I Wonder why their is such a difference between forward development and defence.

 

[VivaLasVegas]

Wow, what a classiconomous jinx thread!

 

[HockeyVirus]

Turns out elite goaltending can make teams look like something they aren't.

 

[13th Floor]

They seem to develop their Defencemen quite well as far as I can see. I Wonder why their is such a difference between forward development and defence.

What defenseman have they developed well? Fox being a superstar and crying his way onto the team doesn't really count. That's a complete gift and took away from the entire spirit of the draft and the sport. That's not really drafting and developing. Miller is still a project but definitely has promising moments. But the jury is still out and I wouldn't call that a success yet. Lindgren seems to be on the right path, so I can agree there. Hajek? Who are we talking about?

The truth is they've drafted terribly, and that's with the #1OA and the #2OA. Outside of Igor who's obviously good, it's basically Kreider (13 years ago) and Chytill as the best they can show. Nobody else was drafted by them.

 

[Xirik]

What defenseman have they developed well? Fox being a superstar and crying his way onto the team doesn't really count. That's a complete gift and took away from the entire spirit of the draft and the sport. That's not really drafting and developing. Miller is still a project but definitely has promising moments. But the jury is still out and I wouldn't call that a success yet. Lindgren seems to be on the right path, so I can agree there. Hajek? Who are we talking about?

The truth is they've drafted terribly, and that's with the #1OA and the #2OA. Outside of Igor who's obviously good, it's basically Kreider (13 years ago) and Chytill as the best they can show. Nobody else was drafted by them.

Schneider?

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

Canes for sure. The Rangers regressing isn't surprising imo, like others have said they got a generational season from Shesterkin last year and Kreider with the most unexpected 50 goal season since Cheechoo. That wasn't happening again

Canes aren't even a bad team, look at their metrics. They've been insanely snakebitten and they're on their 3rd string goalie right now. They'll regress back to the mean + Andersen should be back soon, no?

They are garbage 5on5

What a disaster of a game

Wild thing, they looked pretty good the first like 10-15 games 5v5.

 

[13th Floor]

Schneider?

I guess? I think your response proved my point.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

I guess? I think your response proved my point.

Did it? if anything it hurt your point.

 

[13th Floor]

Did it? if anything it hurt your point.

I admit I didn't mention him, but he turns the tide on my entire post that the Rangers have drafted defensemen well? Every player we're talking about is a question mark.

 

[danteipp]

I admit I didn't mention him, but he turns the tide on my entire post that the Rangers have drafted defensemen well? Every player we're talking about is a question mark.

Come on, what about Nils Lundqvist?

Talked about as potentially the best player not in the NHL, then gets developed right off the Rangers.

 

[MarkovsKnee]

What defenseman have they developed well? Fox being a superstar and crying his way onto the team doesn't really count. That's a complete gift and took away from the entire spirit of the draft and the sport. That's not really drafting and developing. Miller is still a project but definitely has promising moments. But the jury is still out and I wouldn't call that a success yet. Lindgren seems to be on the right path, so I can agree there. Hajek? Who are we talking about?

The truth is they've drafted terribly, and that's with the #1OA and the #2OA. Outside of Igor who's obviously good, it's basically Kreider (13 years ago) and Chytill as the best they can show. Nobody else was drafted by them.

I guess you're giving the Rangers credit for developing Lindgren? Cause they didn't draft him. Boston did. NYR got him in the Rick Nash trade.

 

[Emperoreddy]

Who's start is more disappointing, Canes or Rangers? Both are pretty damn bad this year so far after coming in with high expectations. At least Canes have the injury excuse, I don't think NYR has had any key injuries but correct me if I'm wrong

Canes to me because I don't understand why they don't have more wins based on how they play.

Rangers aren't playing well, not surprised really they are struggling.

 

[13th Floor]

I guess you're giving the Rangers credit for developing Lindgren? Cause they didn't draft him. Boston did. NYR got him in the Rick Nash trade.

My bad... that's wrong by me. So take him off the list. Which again proves my point further. They suck at drafting and developing. It's a good thing shit falls in their lap.

 

[Gurglesons]

Canes to me because I don't understand why they don't have more wins based on how they play.

Rangers aren't playing well, not surprised really they are struggling.

It’s because their C depth is shit and their big off-season acquisition was hurt immediately.

 

[2014nyr]

Canes to me because I don't understand why they don't have more wins based on how they play.

Rangers aren't playing well, not surprised really they are struggling.

rangers have been playing pretty well, not sure where you're getting that. at the end of the day its about wins and losses and they've only been treading water to date. not the end of the world, but they've been controlling play and out chancing most teams they play. i mean the other night they hit 6 posts, today 2 goals taken away...its more about a team going through a stretch where every break or call is going against them. its an 82 game season though, and i doubt they go all 82 with the hockey gods shunning them. teams flying high now will hit a rough patch too. the way they're playing its only a matter of time before the chances start going off the right side of the posts and they're getting their share of breaks then the confidence really grows and you'll see a team on a tear. nothing i've seen so far has me concerned they aren't a legit contender in the east. tbh if anything i'm more optimistic than i was with their ability to control games and absence of the extended periods of games where they'd be pinned in their end getting absolutely shelled that were all too frequent the first half of last season.

 

[BB88]

They seem to develop their Defencemen quite well as far as I can see. I Wonder why their is such a difference between forward development and defence.

They are better there but even Fox was developed elsewhere, in comparison he was a very finished project when he landed in New York.

The record for Rangers forward development is ugly

 

[Chardo]

Tighten up and win a few games and the narrative will change.

 

[Brooklyndevil]

I guess the Devils 3 Cups are null and void as well considering the way they stole Scott Stevens under the biggest bullshit loophole ever that would have never EVER been able to fly today.

Without the NHL allowing them to be "awarded" Stevens as "compensation", they'd still be the same Mickey Mouse worst franchise in NHL history.

St. Louis talked to Shanny who was UFA at the end of the season. But the Blues didn’t want to wait and negotiated with his agent during the season. That’s a no, no. And losing Stevens was their punishment. That’s not bullshit, those are the rules.

 

[Enga Olly]

Perfect.

How OP isn't working for an NHL club is beyond me. Prescient.

 

[PullHard]

I simply do not see any weaknesses in the Rangers roster this season, they are solid in every department. In my mind they are the best team in the East and only the Avs match them.

Vezina winning goalie in Shestyorkin

Norris winning defender in Fox

Elite 1C in Zibanejad

Elite 1W in Panarin

Great 2C in Trocheck

50 goal scorer in Kreider

Big physical presence in Blais, Reeves, Trouba

Elite young players in Lafreniere, Kakko, Kravtsov

Deadly power play and solid penalty kill

Great coaching by Gallant

Promise?

 

[wetcoast]

Did it? if anything it hurt your point.

Really if one looks at the NYR draft history they simply haven't drafted and developed players very well at all.

Last season Igor showed that the NYR could be just good enough if they had elite world class goaltending and without it they are a bubble playoff team.

Their failure to draft and develop center men has been their biggest problem IMO.

 

[Auston Marlander]

I simply do not see any weaknesses in the Rangers roster this season, they are solid in every department. In my mind they are the best team in the East and only the Avs match them.

Vezina winning goalie in Shestyorkin

Norris winning defender in Fox

Elite 1C in Zibanejad

Elite 1W in Panarin

Great 2C in Trocheck

50 goal scorer in Kreider

Big physical presence in Blais, Reeves, Trouba

Elite young players in Lafreniere, Kakko, Kravtsov

Deadly power play and solid penalty kill

Great coaching by Gallant

What's most impressive is this perfectly built team isn't even in a playoff spot. Truely incredible.