The New York Rangers are a perfectly built team this year

[Turin]

Geez, I had the Rangers as cup contenders too! What happened? Will they suddenly pick it up in the 2nd half? Do they need to fire Gallant?

They stopped getting massive career years from Krieder and Sheshterkin.

I am greatly enjoying Trouba’s descent back to his proper station: overpaid low IQ #4 and not whatever faux Chris Pronger he was being made out to be last playoffs.

 

[JT Kreider]

Correct compensation based on Lou picking that. And he gets to pick that cause the Blues were literally trying to steal a player without assets to make it happen. It went to arbitration, both sides were heard and a decision was made.

Not sure exactly how that loophole situation happened but it happened and it happened within the rules of the NHL at the time.

So yeah, thanks for in so many words agreeing that it was a "bullshit loophole that never would have been able to happen today".

I am acknowledging there is a possibility that this was not the first "arbitration based compensation" in NHL history and I'll retract my statement if so.

Still stand by the NHL approving the Shanahan OS without the Blues having the appropriate draft capital is the biggest amateur Bush league BS ever.

 

[danteipp]

What the Rangers need to do is learn how to draft and actually develop players. Work on figuring that out first or nothing is ever going to work out properly.

 

[TheNumber4]

So yeah, thanks for in so many words agreeing that it was a "bullshit loophole that never would have been able to happen today".

I am acknowledging there is a possibility that this was not the first "arbitration based compensation" in NHL history and I'll retract my statement if so.

Anything that happened before the salary cap can be equally slogged away as something that would never happen today.

Scott Stevens was a fortunate get for the Devils, but well within the rules and only 1 piece in their Cup wins.

 

[MattMartin]

Gonna be funny when they are in a deep playoff run for all those bragging now. Are they perfect, no. Pretty darn strong if you ask me. Already made it ti the ECF in their 1st true playoff appearance in a bit.

 

[danteipp]

So yeah, thanks for in so many words agreeing that it was a "bullshit loophole that never would have been able to happen today".

I am acknowledging there is a possibility that this was not the first "arbitration based compensation" in NHL history and I'll retract my statement if so.

Still stand by the NHL approving the Shanahan OS without the Blues having the appropriate draft capital is the biggest amateur Bush league BS ever.

Are you really complaining about a loophole from decades ago? Because the Rangers have been exploiting a loophole to steal players like Fox, Kevin Hayes, Vesey (for whatever that is worth), etc. for years. Please stop trying to deflect.

 

[NYR94]

SPOILER:

Spoiler

They're not

 

[JT Kreider]

Are you really complaining about a loophole from decades ago? Because the Rangers have been exploiting a loophole to steal players like Fox, Kevin Hayes, Vesey (for whatever that is worth), etc. for years. Please stop trying to deflect.

For the record I actually would never take anything away from the Devils Cups wins. Just like I would expect nobody to take anything away from 1994.

I'm glad you see how ridiculous this exercise is.

 

[BB88]

They are garbage 5on5

What a disaster of a game

 

[Chardo]

It's tough in N.Y right now.
1. Rangers are bad
2. Subway is about as safe as Fallujah
3. Violent Crime % through the stratosphere
4. Giants/Jets hope from a month ago is gone
5. Tons of people leaving
6. Garbage piles everywhere in the city with a rat infestation like most have never seen

Just not a lot of hope when 3-0 leads vanish in 14 minutes on a "Vezina" goalie with a "perfectly created roster".

It's ok. Two of the best teams in the league are right in the suburbs.

 

[unicornpig]

havent seen a team miss so much with their 1st round picks LOL

 

[danteipp]

For the record I actually would never take anything away from the Devils Cups wins. Just like I would expect nobody to take anything away from 1994.

I'm glad you see how ridiculous this exercise is.

I see a franchise with the most advantages in the sport, yet can't get out of their own way for the better part of their entire existence.

 

[KingsFan7824]

I guess the Devils 3 Cups are null and void as well considering the way they stole Scott Stevens under the biggest bullshit loophole ever that would have never EVER been able to fly today.

Without the NHL allowing them to be "awarded" Stevens as "compensation", they'd still be the same Mickey Mouse worst franchise in NHL history.

Probably not wrong.

Correct compensation based on what?

How did the NHL approve the Shanahan offer sheet without the Blues having the appropriate picks to make it happen?

Because active players were able to be sent the other way as compensation. This is going way back. Not only no cap, but even free agency as we somewhat know it today didn't really exist. Just a different league.

 

[Chardo]

I see a franchise with the most advantages in the sport, yet can't get out of their own way for the better part of their entire existence.

Original Six team in the biggest city in the country, huge fan base, guaranteed sellouts, unlimited budget, every free agent wants to go there. Yet they somehow go decade after decade without winning.

But enough about the Maple Leafs.

 

[HedmanNotReallyGood]

It's ok. Two of the best teams in the league are right in the suburbs.

Very true

 

[AirGut]

They have 225k in cap space.

they're going to have $6.6M at the deadline but I don't see Drury trading for Kane, he doesn't solve shit. This team needs to fire Gallant, hire someone more cutthroat, and and use those 2 1st rounders in 2023 and carefully draft a pair of difference makers. If this draft is as deep as people say, you can get a certified stud in the 12-20 range. They need a Kyle Connor or Brock Boeser type right now more than anything else. With Othmann coming in soon though the team can quickly recoup what they failed to build up from the picks made in 2017/2018.

>inb4 "muh Rangs drafting they'll ruin them too
they don't have to be held back by the shackles of Gordie Clarke or Bobrov and I trust Drury drafting surprisingly.

 

[Xirik]

Does this prove that BPA isn't always 100% correct all the time at the draft? Yes Kakko was beloved by everyone before and after the draft but Even back then everyone could tell that their Center depth was their weakness. After Zibs all they had was Strome and I don't remember Chytil being considered as the Savior of the future.

Not Picking Kakko wouldn't have garanteed them a great center as there were a couple in that draft that haven't lived up to the hype but Dach was picked 3rd and Zegras was picked 9th.

After going with Kakko in 2019 they definitely had cover to pick positional need over BPA. Byfield (eh?) and Stutzle were right there.
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I saw a ranger fan talk about trying to rebuild but with their vets having NMC and long contracts that isn't really possible. They could however go all in on this draft, I'm sure there are multiple teams that believe they could fix Laf and Kakko who would give up a 1st, early 2nd or a good prospect in return. Lildgren probably is the Rangers best trade asset. Based off the Islander/Habs Romanov trade the Rangers should be able to get a high pick.
Losing Lindgren would suck but rangers would have to trust Schneider and Miller step up.

After doing all that the Rangers have three 1sts or more and other assets to use as picks or to trade at the draft for good developed players.

 

[JT Kreider]

they're going to have $6.6M at the deadline but I don't see Drury trading for Kane, he doesn't solve shit. This team needs to fire Gallant, hire someone more cutthroat, and and use those 2 1st rounders in 2023 and carefully draft a pair of difference makers. If this draft is as deep as people say, you can get a certified stud in the 12-20 range. They need a Kyle Connor or Brock Boeser type right now more than anything else. With Othmann coming in soon though the team can quickly recoup what they failed to build up from the picks made in 2017/2018.

>inb4 "muh Rangs drafting they'll ruin them too
they don't have to be held back by the shackles of Gordie Clarke or Bobrov and I trust Drury drafting surprisingly.

There is a huge gap between the two aforementioned players. Boeser stinks and wouldn't solve any of our problems. Connor on the other hand would instantly be our best forward.

 

[Machinehead]

Does this prove that BPA isn't always 100% correct all the time at the draft? Yes Kakko was beloved by everyone before and after the draft but Even back then everyone could tell that their Center depth was their weakness. After Zibs all they had was Strome and I don't remember Chytil being considered as the Savior of the future.

Not Picking Kakko wouldn't have garanteed them a great center as there were a couple in that draft that haven't lived up to the hype but Dach was picked 3rd and Zegras was picked 9th.

After going with Kakko in 2019 they definitely had cover to pick positional need over BPA. Byfield (eh?) and Stutzle were right there.
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I saw a ranger fan talk about trying to rebuild but with their vets having NMC and long contracts that isn't really possible. They could however go all in on this draft, I'm sure there are multiple teams that believe they could fix Laf and Kakko who would give up a 1st, early 2nd or a good prospect in return. Lildgren probably is the Rangers best trade asset. Based off the Islander/Habs Romanov trade the Rangers should be able to get a high pick.
Losing Lindgren would suck but rangers would have to trust Schneider and Miller step up.

After doing all that the Rangers have three 1sts or more and other assets to use as picks or to trade at the draft for good developed players.

I would absolutely make the same picks again.

The problem is the Rangers' approach to developing forwards.

It has never worked. They made the excuse that they never picked high enough. Apparently that ain't it.

 

[AhosDatsyukian]

Who's start is more disappointing, Canes or Rangers? Both are pretty damn bad this year so far after coming in with high expectations. At least Canes have the injury excuse, I don't think NYR has had any key injuries but correct me if I'm wrong

 

[Xirik]

I would absolutely make the same picks again.

The problem is the Rangers' approach to developing forwards.

It has never worked. They made the excuse that they never picked high enough. Apparently that ain't it.

Another thing that I've noticed is that the Rangers have a trend.

the early 90s they build a gritty skilled hardnosed team and are great for awhile.

Late 90s early 2000's they try to keep their team good and trade or get great or famous players who enjoy the
NY lifestyle and suck.

late 2000s early 10's they build up a great gritty skilled team and are great for awhile.

Late 10's early 2020's they try to keep their team good and trade or get great or famous players who enjoy the NY lifestyle and suck.

 

[Machinehead]

Another thing that I've noticed is that the Rangers have a trend.

the early 90s they build a gritty skilled hardnosed team and are great for awhile.

Late 90s early 2000's they try to keep their team good and trade or get great or famous players who enjoy the
NY lifestyle and suck.

late 2000s early 10's they build up a great gritty skilled team and are great for awhile.

Late 10's early 2020's they try to keep their team good and trade or get great or famous players who enjoy the NY lifestyle and suck.

I think you're partially right.

In both cases, they had a nice mix of skill and grit, didn't quite have enough skill (because they don't develop it well) blamed getting "pushed around" when they inevitably came up short, and doubled down on grit.

If they didn't trade Amonte, Gartner, and Weight in the 90's for a bunch of plugs, they probably have another Cup.

If they had a good offseason in 2014 and added skill, instead of bring back Staal and Girardi and adding Glass, they probably have a Cup there too.

There was less of the "Tampa beat us because we're soft" nonsense this offseason and they didn't really add any goons, so that's good, but they're still not developing the skill.

 

[Xirik]

I think you're partially right.

In both cases, they had a nice mix of skill and grit, didn't quite have enough skill (because they don't develop it well) blamed getting "pushed around" when they inevitably came up short, and doubled down on grit.

If they didn't trade Amonte, Gartner, and Weight in the 90's for a bunch of plugs, they probably have another Cup.

If they had a good offseason in 2014 and added skill, instead of bring back Staal and Girardi and adding Glass, they probably have a Cup there too.

There was less of the "Tampa beat us because we're soft" nonsense this offseason and they didn't really add any goons, so that's good, but they're still not developing the skill.

That definitely seems to ring true.

I might be a bit weird as a Devils fan but I like it when the Rangers are as good or perhaps a little bit worse then the Devils. You don't remember rivalry games when the rival sucks but when your team beats their rival team who's a cup contender in the playoffs and deprive them of a cup chance on one of their good years?

Those are the one's you remember. I'm guessing thats 94 for you and 2012 for me.

 

[TommyDangles]

they're going to have $6.6M at the deadline but I don't see Drury trading for Kane, he doesn't solve shit. This team needs to fire Gallant, hire someone more cutthroat, and and use those 2 1st rounders in 2023 and carefully draft a pair of difference makers. If this draft is as deep as people say, you can get a certified stud in the 12-20 range. They need a Kyle Connor or Brock Boeser type right now more than anything else. With Othmann coming in soon though the team can quickly recoup what they failed to build up from the picks made in 2017/2018.

>inb4 "muh Rangs drafting they'll ruin them too
they don't have to be held back by the shackles of Gordie Clarke or Bobrov and I trust Drury drafting surprisingly.

Anybody drafted with the Rangers/Stars pick is gonna take 2-3 years to make the NHL. That's just too long to wait. Probably will take those players some time before they become "difference makers" in the NHL too.

 

[Machinehead]

That definitely seems to ring true.

I might be a bit weird as a Devils fan but I like it when the Rangers are as good or perhaps a little bit worse then the Devils. You don't remember rivalry games when the rival sucks but when your team beats their rival team who's a cup contender in the playoffs and deprive them of a cup chance on one of their good years?

Those are the one's you remember. I'm guessing thats 94 for you and 2012 for me.

I can't remember what I had for breakfast, but yes!