Confirmed with Link: The new coach of the Philadelphia Flyers is John Tortorella

[Rebels57]

Apparently it's considered TrOlLiNg on this board if you point out how negative so many people are. So I will just say that I am hopeful that this hire will provide me with entertainment both on and off the ice. It is unfortunate that many other people are so upset. Everyone have a beautiful day.

What is there to be positive about?

We have a clueless owner that listens to geriatric delusional advisors.

We have the worst GM in the league.

We have a bottom 10 roster.

We have a bottom 10 prospect pool.

We have the 6th highest cap hit. CapFriendly - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

We just hired a broken down retread asshole whose coaching style is the antithesis of what it takes to be successful in 2022 and beyond.

Gee golly willikers Batman, I hope we have fun.

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

I don’t think anybody denies the problems run deeper than Fletcher. But he is a problem even it’s way lesser than guys like Clarke & Homer who will outlast him.

Most of the discourse is when a certain poster tries to use those guys as crutch to defend Fletcher’s hockey intelligence & absolve him of any blame. Fletcher might be the smartest guy amongst that crowd in the front office but that doesn’t make him smart in a general sense.

A smart. lazy coward is still a lazy coward.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

Sam getting a good one in

haha, he knows he wont be able to do those after Torts arrives...

 

[renberg]

I had heard that Scott had brought in a consulting firm to assist with the coaching hire. My first reaction was that this was an investigation to ensure that whoever the Flyers hired wouldn't blow up on them like Q ended up doing in Florida.
According to ASP's write up today, there might be more to it. It seems that Scott wanted to ensure that the Flyers' DINOs didn't have an overwhelming amount of influence with who was hired. Using firms the way that they were here is today's corporate way of hiring. Probably has pluses and minuses to it but if it kept the DINOs away from it all, that's probably a good thing. The present FO has made way to many blunders to be allowed to continue unchecked.
It could be that Roberts has let Scott know of his displeasure with the way things have been going down on South Broad. Probably with a fix it or else involved. If I was Scott, I wouldn't let the DINOs get me fired and would haul in a respected firm to assist with the hiring process.

 

[GKJ]

I had heard that Scott had brought in a consulting firm to assist with the coaching hire. My first reaction was that this was an investigation to ensure that whoever the Flyers hired wouldn't blow up on them like Q ended up doing in Florida.
According to ASP's write up today, there might be more to it. It seems that Scott wanted to ensure that the Flyers' DINOs didn't have an overwhelming amount of influence with who was hired. Using firms the way that they were here is today's corporate way of hiring. Probably has pluses and minuses to it but if it kept the DINOs away from it all, that's probably a good thing. The present FO has made way to many blunders to be allowed to continue unchecked.
It could be that Roberts has let Scott know of his displeasure with the way things have been going down on South Broad. Probably with a fix it or else involved. If I was Scott, I wouldn't let the DINOs get me fired and would haul in a respected firm to assist with the hiring process.

They needed a third party firm to pick the guy that's been the most likely candidate for 6 months, yes.

Fletcher has not been in control of this for a while. He did not want to fire Vigneault, at that time. And that press conference where Dave Scott came in and stepped all over him, he was clearly uncomfortable (the next one that was just Fletcher he was clearly more comfortable and at least gave a basis for understanding as to where the team is at).

He's been a puppet this whole time, all the time, and it's probably sinking in now to him. If he had any respect for his career he would resign immediately.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Pretty clear the problem ran deeper than they thought. I’m guessing Frost has already been to the grocery store to stock up on popcorn so he can adjust his diet for the season. All joking aside I hope Torts can get through to him. Nothing else has worked. The talent is there but the head hasn’t been

Fixing "the problem" made the team worse.

Indicates it wasn't actually the problem.

 

[GKJ]

There's a certain irony I'm sure given how the Rangers lapped us in a rebuild given that they fired Torts to bring in AV, and we fired AV to bring in Torts.

 

[Adtar02]

There's a certain irony I'm sure given how the Rangers lapped us in a rebuild given that they fired Torts to bring in AV, and we fired AV to bring in Torts.

is it offical yet or just a rumor???

 

[GKJ]

is it offical yet or just a rumor???

It's not official, but what more confirmation is really needed at this point? He wants the job, and they want him.

 

[Embiid]

I had heard that Scott had brought in a consulting firm to assist with the coaching hire. My first reaction was that this was an investigation to ensure that whoever the Flyers hired wouldn't blow up on them like Q ended up doing in Florida.
According to ASP's write up today, there might be more to it. It seems that Scott wanted to ensure that the Flyers' DINOs didn't have an overwhelming amount of influence with who was hired. Using firms the way that they were here is today's corporate way of hiring. Probably has pluses and minuses to it but if it kept the DINOs away from it all, that's probably a good thing. The present FO has made way to many blunders to be allowed to continue unchecked.
It could be that Roberts has let Scott know of his displeasure with the way things have been going down on South Broad. Probably with a fix it or else involved. If I was Scott, I wouldn't let the DINOs get me fired and would haul in a respected firm to assist with the hiring process.

So Scott hired a think tank because his DINO consensus committee tanked with their thinking?

This org is such a clusterphuc right now.....lol

 

[Rebels57]

is it offical yet or just a rumor???

The ink isn't dry yet, but it's all but official. He is meeting with the bastards in charge tomorrow to sign the contract.

 

[Fight4yourRight]

There's a certain irony I'm sure given how the Rangers lapped us in a rebuild given that they fired Torts to bring in AV, and we fired AV to bring in Torts.

which makes sense. This org, in all things that matters (aside from gimmicky marketing bs like Gritty) is give or take about 10 years behind every other

Can’t wait for Nate Thompson re-signing to follow. Now there is a dude that, aided by tweaking, will lay down and take a slapper to the face for the team

 

[renberg]

He's been a puppet this whole time, all the time, and it's probably sinking in now to him. If he had any respect for his career he would resign immediately.

Could you clarify who you think is pulling his strings? If that's what has been going on here, he deserves to be canned.
As the GM doesn't one have to have the strength to stand up for and behind the moves that he makes? I may be wrong but it seemed as though he allowed AV to bully him into making some less than sensible moves. I get it that the coach and the GM have to work together but the GM can't allow the coach to run gamut over the roster as AV did.
All coaches have players that they don't care for and might want to have moved out. However if it doesn't help the performance of the club, the coach has to swallow hard and find a way to make it work. That wasn't AV's forte and Fletcher shouldn't have fallen for it.

 

[Rebels57]

which makes sense. This org, in all things that matters (aside from gimmicky marketing bs like Gritty) is give or take about 10 years behind every other

Can’t wait for Nate Thompson re-signing to follow. Now there is a dude that, aided by tweaking, will lay down and take a slapper to the face for the team

Hopefully he takes about 82 of them.

 

[deadhead]

yes lets hire a coach that shipps out talent for hard working scrubs

Major trades in CBJ while Torts was HC (Nov 2015 to end of 2021 season):

1/6/16 Johansen (23) for Seth Jones (21)
6/25/16 Rychel (21) for Harrington D (22)
6/21/17 2017 1st, 2019 2nd to Vegas to take Clarkson
6/23/17 Sadd (25), A Forsberg G (25) for Panarin (26), Motte (22)
2/25/18 2018 4th for Letesu (33)
2/25/18 Jokinen (35), Motte (23) for Vanek (34)
2/26/18 2020 3rd for Cole (29)
2/22/19 2019 1st for Duchene (27) [2020 1st if Duchene re-signed with CBJ]
2/23/19 Duclair (23), 2020 2nd, 2021 2nd for Dzingel (26)
2/25/19 2019 4th for McQaid (32)
2/24/20 Milano (23) for Shore (25)
10/6/20 Anderson (26) for Domi (25), 2020 3rd
10/8/20 Murray (27) for 2020 5th
10/8/20 Nutivarra (26) for Pu (22)

Other than an overpay for Duchene as a TDL rental, not much action.
Vanek was a top veteran TDL addition.
Letesu and McQaid the only TDL scrubs added

Nor did they sign a lot of veteran scrubs:
2/27/17 signed Zac Dalpe (28) off waivers
1/17/18 signed Jokinen (34) off waivers
1/24/18 Nathan Gerbe (31)
7/1/18 signed Riley Nash (29)
7/1/19 signed Gustav Nyquist (30)
10/10/20 signed Mikko Koivu (37)
1/10/21 signed MDZ (30)

So expect him to give LHV players a shot at PT, instead of signing a bunch of veteran scrubs to fill out the roster.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

I’m guessing they offered Trotz like 5+ years for the $7M a year price tag given what big money contracts have brought other coaches in recent memory (Q, AV, Babcock, etc. have all ended up in that range of term/money).

That had to be a damaging blow to their egos that he said “no thanks”.

Babcock - $50M for 8 years ($6.25) 5/15
Quennville - $26.25M for 5 years ($5.25M) 4/19
Vigneault - $25M for 5 years ($5M) 4/19

 

[Rebels57]

I’m guessing they offered Trotz like 5-6 years or so for the $7M a year price tag given what big money contracts have brought other coaches in recent memory (Q, AV, Babcock, etc. have all ended up in that range of term/money).

That had to be a damaging blow to their egos that he said “no thanks”.

I wonder if it came down to his desire to move into a GM role vs. their plan to groom Briere, who they can continue to manipulate, for that.

 

[usahockey22flyers]

I hopped over to the CBJ board to try and get some perspective...pretty interesting what they had to say.

Around Hockey XXIV (All Non-Jackets Hockey talk in here)

Stamkos and Hedman back to back, Nash and Murray 10 years apart. Crazy to think that our GM at the time thought it was smart to trade Voracek, 8OA and 68OA for Jeff Carter. Write not GM, but Mike Priest wanted it. --- I believe Tampa because: - better coach - better goalie - better defense -...

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[TB87]

If Dave Scott doesn’t trust that his front office can make smart coaching hires…why not just get rid of the guys in the front office then. It’d likely make the team better. They should all be fired regardless

 

[Psuhockey]

LOL. By all means, please tell me these hordes of Hall of Famers Torts rode the coattails of throughout his career.

Martin St Louis and Dave Andreychuk are the the definites from Tampa with Vincent Lecavalier, Brad Richards and Khabibulan being close and may all get in. Lundqvist in New York is about as definite as you get and was the only reason the Rangers won under any coach during his career. If Panarin keeps up his production a little longer he will absolutely be in unless you really want to debate a career 1.12 points per game won’t get into the hall. Was it a coincidence that they beat Tampa with him and lost without him?

Outside of grinding Columbus into the last wildcard in a division that was crap at the time, you are going to be hard pressed to make the argument Torts is some kind of miracle worker who wins without elite talent which the current Flyers don’t have.

 

[Cody Webster]

yes lets hire a coach that shipps out talent for hard working scrubs

We rehired AV?

 

[GKJ]

Could you clarify who you think is pulling his strings? If that's what has been going on here, he deserves to be canned.
As the GM doesn't one have to have the strength to stand up for and behind the moves that he makes? I may be wrong but it seemed as though he allowed AV to bully him into making some less than sensible moves. I get it that the coach and the GM have to work together but the GM can't allow the coach to run gamut over the roster as AV did.
All coaches have players that they don't care for and might want to have moved out. However if it doesn't help the performance of the club, the coach has to swallow hard and find a way to make it work. That wasn't AV's forte and Fletcher shouldn't have fallen for it.

Bob Clarke
Paul Holmgren
Dean Lombardi

full-stop

 

[renberg]

If Dave Scott doesn’t trust that his front office can make smart coaching hires…why not just get rid of the guys in the front office then. It’d likely make the team better. They should all be fired regardless

From what ASP wrote today, it doesn't look as though Scott does trust them. There might be some guys leaving and others on thin ice. Whose idea was it to add Briere, Scott or Fletcher?

 

[Ghosts Beer]

The Devils used to play the best defense in the league, but they won by being a perennial top offense.

I'll save us a lot of pointless back and forth. We are right as usual, you are wrong, once it's clear management will part with Tortorella you'll come around. Your record on assessing coaches is abysmal. I'm still waiting for Gordon to get that assured NHL HC spot you guaranteed.

You just can't help yourself, can you? This is why whenever you claim another poster said something, I know with certainty it's not what the poster actually said. Every. Single. Time. Also why it's impossible to have a reasonable discussion with you. I refuse to engage further once you pull that childlike behavior, which never takes long.

 

[FlyerNutter]

If Dave Scott doesn’t trust that his front office can make smart coaching hires…why not just get rid of the guys in the front office then. It’d likely make the team better. They should all be fired regardless

Using a firm to help justify a decision only helps Scott look good.

It’s clear what this is, and a group of incompetent men trying to salvage their jobs/legacies at the expense of the franchise.

People laugh at Buffalo, or Ottawa under Melnyk. The Flyers are no better.