Confirmed with Link: The new coach of the Philadelphia Flyers is John Tortorella

[Curufinwe]

The problems in the dressing room will get solved rather quickly.

I thought they were solved last summer.

Chuck Fletcher Doesn’t Make The Same Mistake Twice

After Chuck Fletcher left a few needs unaddressed last offseason, he's out to make sure he doesn't make the same mistake again.

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The locker room last season was the biggest question mark for the Flyers. Nolan Patrick seemed as indifferent as indifferent can get. Travis Konecny had nobody to kick his rear into gear and straighten things out before they slid downhill at the beginning of the season. Jakub Voracek was, well, Jakub Voracek.

So after all that, what did Fletcher do to address the locker room? He brought in multiple former alternate captains to aid in the accountability aspect that this team seemed to lack in seasons past. Keith Yandle, Rasmus Ristolainen, Ryan Ellis, and Cam Atkinson are all former alternate captains. Nate Thompson may not be, but he’s been around the league long enough to know what it takes to be successful.

Fletcher got rid of two guys who seemed to be the biggest problem in the locker room and brought in four who can right the proverbial ship. No longer will this team lack the leadership so many thought it did. The Flyers will not be a team that lacks the presence of leadership anymore. Chuck Fletcher made sure of that this offseason.

 

[04hockey]

No question, Clarke, Homer, Fletcher, Scott all need to go.

Clarke knows the NHL.....the rest can go surf fishing somewhere

 

[Adtar02]

wait we hired torts???? really bad if true

 

[Beef Invictus]

You're ignoring the fact that Tortorella has coached many very young players early in their careers who successfully developed under his tutelage.

And that defense still wins in today's NHL. Ask Jon Cooper, who is generally hailed as the best coach in the NHL.

Do you think that's good analysis, pretending that these things don't exist?

Cooper doesn't win on defense. He wins on transition. On all cylinders, TB has the most lethal transition in the league. So you're wrong there.

Tortorella now isn't who he was in the 2000s. The game has changed. And as I've pointed out repeatedly, some players are too good to fail. Those guys aren't the problem. The problem is the guys who can be made or broken by development choices. The Flyers are filled with players their anti-skill philosophy has broken.

Every single time you've sobbed about us being doom and gloom as you've stuck up for management, you have been wrong. Every single time. It's not doom and gloom when you're always right.

 

[Flyerfan18]

I thought they were solved last summer.

Chuck Fletcher Doesn’t Make The Same Mistake Twice

After Chuck Fletcher left a few needs unaddressed last offseason, he's out to make sure he doesn't make the same mistake again.

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Pretty clear the problem ran deeper than they thought. I’m guessing Frost has already been to the grocery store to stock up on popcorn so he can adjust his diet for the season. All joking aside I hope Torts can get through to him. Nothing else has worked. The talent is there but the head hasn’t been

 

[DancingPanther]

When does someone in Comcast realize that guys like Scott, Clarke, Homer, Fletcher, & the rest of the band of idiots are destroying their asset?

I think they'll catch on after this season when no one goes to the games for the entire 82

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

You're totally right. No one around here is acknowledging Clarke/Holngren/etc as an equal or bigger problem. No one made a chart or anything about it. The Hivemind is totes obsessed with Fletcher, the ultimate villain!

I don’t think anybody denies the problems run deeper than Fletcher. But he is a problem even it’s way lesser than guys like Clarke & Homer who will outlast him.

Most of the discourse is when a certain poster tries to use those guys as crutch to defend Fletcher’s hockey intelligence & absolve him of any blame. Fletcher might be the smartest guy amongst that crowd in the front office but that doesn’t make him smart in a general sense.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Clarke knows the NHL.....the rest can go surf fishing somewhere

Clarke is the reason the team is like it is. He doesn't know the NHL.

 

[GKJ]

I thought they were solved last summer.

Chuck Fletcher Doesn’t Make The Same Mistake Twice

After Chuck Fletcher left a few needs unaddressed last offseason, he's out to make sure he doesn't make the same mistake again.

phillysportsnetwork.com

Yeah, it was specifically the motive behind literally everything they did. Great teammates who were part of leadership groups and were ‘high-care’ guys who played for each other

 

[Beef Invictus]

The good news is we finally know it was Tortorella who ordered Fletcher to re-sign Seeler without even seeking an upgrade.

 

[JABEE]

Sam getting a good one in

 

[TheKingPin]

It would be funny if we beat Tampa in the first round though. That might be worth 3 years of Torts at this sad point in Flyers history.

 

[bennysflyers16]

The good news is we finally know it was Tortorella who ordered Fletcher to re-sign Seeler without even seeking an upgrade.

Torts is going to LOVE Seeler sadly , he will 100% be a starter

 

[Rebels57]

These people ran a professional sports organization into the ground.

Fixed

Is he totally wrong there, though?

Caps won their only cup when Ovi molded under Trotz.

McDavid had 33 points in 16 playoff games.

 

[Rebels57]

The problem is they have a mediocre at best roster & that’s been the case for a decade now. They never had a deep roster even going back a decade ago. They had some good players at the top end in their prime with guys like Giroux, Voracek, Simmonds, etc. under Hextall but pretty much zero depth.

Now the top end of the roster isn’t nearly as good as that & they still have little to no depth. They don’t even have the resources either because Fletcher spent a good chunk of assets & capspace on bad deals since he’s been here too.

They don’t/didn’t have the necessary talent to outrun the goaltending going to complete shit two years ago or the fact they missed a lot of man games between Ellis, Coututier, Giroux (I know he wasn’t hurt but they were so bad they had to trade him at the deadline which wasn’t apart of their initial plan), etc. Even the games Coututier did play he clearly wasn’t 100%. That roster they iced for almost three quarters of last year flat out stunk.

So you can shout accountability & all these buzzwords until you’re blue in the face but this are actual tangible reasons to finding out what went wrong. That’s not a defense but rather a reality. The biggest issue plaguing the Flyers right now is their front office. In totality they’re not getting enough good coaches or players in here.

Wait so paying Hayes and Risto over $12 million combined is not good for roster building?

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

When does someone in Comcast realize that guys like Scott, Clarke, Homer, Fletcher, & the rest of the band of idiots are destroying their asset?

I guess the issue they still face is there still is a decent chunk of people whether it’s fans or alumni that are still in denial to how problematic it is from a hockey standpoint that guys Clarke & Homer still wield influence in this organization. They’d probably bitch & whine that it would be another instance of Comcast killing off Ed Snider’s legacy.

So there might be a few more levels of awfulness to be hit before those people even acknowledge the problem let alone Comcast themselves.

 

[DancingPanther]

Clarke knows the NHL.....the rest can go surf fishing somewhere

Clarke knows the 1997 NHL

 

[JABEE]

I have a hard time believing that a corporate consulting firm in 2022 would push for Tortorella.

But I also have an easy time believing that Dave Scott would hire a corporate consulting firm to be involved in the search in an effort to protect his own job.

Corporate consulting firms probably don’t know hockey. They see the big names.

NFL teams have these same firms. People in house should have a better handle on coaching talent versus an outside firm.

 

[deadhead]

For all the dramatics with Torts, there's not much evidence that he crushes young players.

Karlsson (#53) did blossom after leaving for Vegas, but that may simply have been a matter of getting a lot of minutes on an expansion team.

Saad was no worse in CBJ before being traded for Panarin.

Atkinson (#157) blossomed under Torts

Jenner (#37) had his best seasons at 22 (under Torts) and last season at 28.

Wennberg (#14) had his best season at 22 under Torts, hasn't shown more in FLA and SEA.

Johansen (#4) rubbed Torts the wrong way before being traded for Jones, had a couple good seasons in Nash then became the inconsistent player that probably got him ridden out of town in CBJ.

Seth Jones regressed away from Torts

David Savard (#94) became a solid D-man before regressing away from Torts

Bjorkstrand (#89) developed nicely under Torts, same with Josh Anderson (#95)

Torts seems to have a touch with later round picks.

Murray (#2) never really developed under Torts, but has done nothing in NJ and Col either.

Torts can wear thin:

Blue Jackets Held Back By John Tortorella's Stubbornness - The Hockey Writers Columbus Blue Jackets Latest News, Analysis & More

With Pierre-Luc Dubois wanting out of Columbus, John Tortorella had the chance to move past the situation. He took an alternate approach.

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but he's trying

John Tortorella Preaches Development Of Young Players, People On His Weekly Radio Hit

In his weekly hit on 97.1 FM, John Tortorella discussed his transformation as a coach and his passion for developing his young players into better people.

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A kinder, gentler Torts? Maybe a little bit for Blue Jackets

Coach John Tortorella has eased up on his young team this season

www.usatoday.com

and he definitely doesn't have the AV/Trotz love of veteran scrubs

Blue Jackets too ‘green’? John Tortorella has the youngest club among the 24

The veteran Columbus coach says he is "not afraid to put these guys in spots that are going to be crucial situations."

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Guys like Atkinson and Hartnell love Torts:

How would Tortorella or Trotz change Flyers? Hartnell gives perspective from past

John Tortorella or Barry Trotz for the Flyers’ head coaching job? Scott Hartnell played for both and discussed their strengths. By Joe Fordyce

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What I'd expect from Torts? The scheme might be a bit conservative, but the team will skate hard, play 60 minutes with discipline, and players who don't buy in will quickly be shipped out and players who prove themselves in LHV will get their shot under Torts. Nor will he favor scrubs over young players - but he'll favor those who play the "right way" over more talented teammates who glide through shifts.

 

[snoop88]

This cities obsession with hiring former championship winning “names” as coaches will always baffle me.

It’s been proven time and time again in sports history it doesn’t work. Only the absolute GOATS like Phil Jackson and Scotty Bowman win ships with multiple teams.

And we have evidence of cities like Boston and LA Doing the complete opposite and winning tons of rings. Yet we don’t emulate that.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Corporate consulting firms probably don’t know hockey. They see the big names.

NFL teams have these same firms. People in house should have a better handle on coaching talent versus an outside firm.

There’s been outside firms that have been trying to get Peter Chiarelli another GM job these past few off seasons.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

Cooper doesn't win on defense. He wins on transition. On all cylinders, TB has the most lethal transition in the league. So you're wrong there.

Tortorella now isn't who he was in the 2000s. The game has changed. And as I've pointed out repeatedly, some players are too good to fail. Those guys aren't the problem. The problem is the guys who can be made or broken by development choices. The Flyers are filled with players their anti-skill philosophy has broken.

Every single time you've sobbed about us being doom and gloom as you've stuck up for management, you have been wrong. Every single time. It's not doom and gloom when you're always right.

"Cooper doesn't win on defense"? Please. They play arguably the best team defense in the NHL when the playoffs come around.

And tell that to the man himself:

"If you're not going to defend, you're not going to win."

"Ultimately, in the end, you have to keep the puck out of the net if you want to win. That's it."

"We spent a lot of time in their end, but ultimately we couldn’t get much through because they were defending. You can sit in your end all night if you’re going to defend. Then you come out, just go down the ice, and score. That’s what they did. As I said, we were too worried about scoring goals instead of keeping them out of our own net."

Transcript: Cooper says, "If you’re not going to defend, you’re not going to win"

Transcribed for accessibility. Tampa Bay Lightning head coach Jon Cooper discusses the team’s three-game losing streak and his "defense-first" philosophy.

www.rawcharge.com

 

[Curufinwe]

What I'd expect from Torts? The scheme might be a bit conservative, but the team will skate hard, play 60 minutes with discipline, and players who don't buy in will quickly be shipped out and players who prove themselves in LHV will get their shot under Torts. Nor will he favor scrubs over young players - but he'll favor those who play the "right way" over more talented teammates who glide through shifts.

None of this will actually happen, and you'll find some way to make excuses for it.

 

[Beef Invictus]

"Cooper doesn't win on defense"? Please. They play arguably the best team defense in the NHL when the playoffs come around.

And tell that to the man himself:

"If you're not going to defend, you're not going to win."

"Ultimately, in the end, you have to keep the puck out of the net if you want to win. That's it."

"We spent a lot of time in their end, but ultimately we couldn’t get much through because they were defending. You can sit in your end all night if you’re going to defend. Then you come out, just go down the ice, and score. That’s what they did. As I said, we were too worried about scoring goals instead of keeping them out of our own net."

Transcript: Cooper says, "If you’re not going to defend, you’re not going to win"

Transcribed for accessibility. Tampa Bay Lightning head coach Jon Cooper discusses the team’s three-game losing streak and his "defense-first" philosophy.

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The Devils used to play the best defense in the league, but they won by being a perennial top offense.

I'll save us a lot of pointless back and forth. We are right as usual, you are wrong, once it's clear management will part with Tortorella you'll come around. Your record on assessing coaches is abysmal. I'm still waiting for Gordon to get that assured NHL HC spot you guaranteed.

 

[Adtar02]

yes lets hire a coach that shipps out talent for hard working scrubs