Confirmed with Link: The new coach of the Philadelphia Flyers is John Tortorella

[deadhead]

I don't think we'll trade picks for veterans under Torts, that doesn't seem to be his MO.
Rather, prospects who he thinks have no future will be traded for other young players who he feels are better fits.
So instead of moving Myers and Patrick for Ellis, Torts would probably have lobbied for a young D-man.

What does stand out is Trots couldn't give a f--- where you were drafted, he'll play a 6th round pick over a high 1st rd pick without hesitation, and a 20 year old over a veteran if he's the better player (not the more talented player, Trots also doesn't care about "potential").

So I expect Frost and Tippett to play, and if they don't play the way Trots wants, to be traded for young forwards who will play the way he wants - for good or evil. And if he takes a dislike to Risto, he'll pressure Fletcher to move him out.

In that sense, I see Trots not only holding his players accountable, but being vocal about FO "pets" not being good enough to play for him - sunk costs really will be sunk costs.

If I'm a FO Dino, I'm not comfortable with Trots, because he's not going to put up with any BS, either from players or the FO.

AV got the veteran HC bounce, then seemed to check out.
Trots won't check out, he may go down in flames with all guns blazing, but he won't be guilty of just showing up for the paycheck.

The press conferences may be more entertaining than the games.

 

[VladDrag]

LOL. By all means, please tell me these hordes of Hall of Famers Torts rode the coattails of throughout his career.

It's hard to say who will make the hall of fame in a few years, because lots of the players he's coached are still in the NHL or just retired, but there's no doubt he's done well when he has talent. that's not an attack, but it's true.

In 2003 and 2004, the Stanley cup year, he had 4 of the top 3 point producers in the league....Led by St. Louis (hall of famer).

In NY he had Henrik, and their best season under Torts was when Henrik won the Veznia and finished 3rd in Hart voting.

In 2016-2017, the season you referenced earlier, the blue jackets best season, Bob won the veznia and finished 3rd in hart voting as well.

So, his success has certainly has been lead by talented players...and by the way it should. You can't expect a coach to do anything with a crappy roster.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

I wonder if it came down to his desire to move into a GM role and their plan to groom Briere for that.

$7M for 5 or 6 years is $35M or $42M of guaranteed money. Regardless of aspirations elsewhere that’s a lot of money that likely not many others are offering elsewhere.

Who knows what Trotz real motivations were but it obviously always made sense from a business standpoint to keep the Flyers in the running to at least drive up other teams offers some at a minimum.

 

[Rich Nixon]

Can’t wait for Nate Thompson re-signing to follow. Now there is a dude that, aided by tweaking, will lay down and take a slapper to the face for the team

Hell yeah finally a suitable replacement so Lappy can graduate back to NHL assistant!

 

[deadhead]

I hopped over to the CBJ board to try and get some perspective...pretty interesting what they had to say.

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This sounds a lot like the stuff I posted from the CBJ sites:

"I was going to post this in your thread when he’s officially hired, but it makes a lot of sense

Us CBJ fans sound a lot like you guys when he was hired. We hated it, he was just coming off of a disaster in Vancouver and he was going to ruin every young player we had. The exact opposite happened. everything we hear from the flyers on the outside, and you would know better than me, is that the team needs accountability and direction. Torts is the mastermind of both of those things.

When people say he’s awful with young players and he is a dinosaur, they’re wrong. Torts is literally one of the best coaches you can have as a young team who is trying to turn a culture around or create a new one. He will make your team play hard. He will make the players buy in to a team concept and do the little things right.

Sometimes it comes at a cost. He ran Johansen out of town. He picked on Brandon Saad. But in the end, these things made us better in the long run because the players we got back actually bought into his system.

He’s entertaining as hell as an individual. His team philosophy has adjusted over time, but it is still highly defensive oriented (but he has shown a willingness to adjust, our team motto was safe is death at one point in his tenure because he wanted our D to be engaged offensively) but that’s how you win in the NHL sometimes.

What happened in Vancouver is what people think is the norm for torts. It’s the exception. He’s a great coach."

 

[RebusFlyer]

More than Selke winner Sean Couturier, who has never been past the second round of the playoffs in 4 more years than McDavid.


Strawman more please.

No one is upset because they think Torts will be an unmitigated disaster. We're upset because it's a bland, no upside, minimal thought hire that leaves this team at best as a playoff bubble and at worst drives players away.

Also, convenient that every time shills and contrarians bring up Tort's past to defend him, they always conviently leave out his stint in Vancouver. Weird that.

You can criticize this reported hire for many reasons -- and it may turn out to be a terrible hire -- but "minimal thought" simply is not one of them. You can say the Flyers thinking was flawed -- horribly flawed, if you like -- but clearly, they took their time and interviewed alot of candidates.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Could you clarify who you think is pulling his strings? If that's what has been going on here, he deserves to be canned.
As the GM doesn't one have to have the strength to stand up for and behind the moves that he makes? I may be wrong but it seemed as though he allowed AV to bully him into making some less than sensible moves. I get it that the coach and the GM have to work together but the GM can't allow the coach to run gamut over the roster as AV did.
All coaches have players that they don't care for and might want to have moved out. However if it doesn't help the performance of the club, the coach has to swallow hard and find a way to make it work. That wasn't AV's forte and Fletcher shouldn't have fallen for it.

Yeah. Fletcher has more accumulated power than any one manager has had in team history. If he's using that accumulated power to be a puppet, that's on him. He has a monopoly on all power that isn't his direct boss. Others only have as much power and influence as he allows them to have.

 

[BernieParent]

You're totally right. No one around here is acknowledging Clarke/Holngren/etc as an equal or bigger problem. No one made a chart or anything about it. The Hivemind is totes obsessed with Fletcher, the ultimate villain!

Chuck Fletcher is the Keyser Söze of the Philadelphia Flyers.

 

[BiggE]

I can be positive, watch:

I like Torts better than Hak, Mimsy, AV or Yeo.

I rest my case




kill me

 

[Beef Invictus]

This sounds a lot like the stuff I posted from the CBJ sites:

"I was going to post this in your thread when he’s officially hired, but it makes a lot of sense

Us CBJ fans sound a lot like you guys when he was hired. We hated it, he was just coming off of a disaster in Vancouver and he was going to ruin every young player we had. The exact opposite happened. everything we hear from the flyers on the outside, and you would know better than me, is that the team needs accountability and direction. Torts is the mastermind of both of those things.

When people say he’s awful with young players and he is a dinosaur, they’re wrong. Torts is literally one of the best coaches you can have as a young team who is trying to turn a culture around or create a new one. He will make your team play hard. He will make the players buy in to a team concept and do the little things right.

Sometimes it comes at a cost. He ran Johansen out of town. He picked on Brandon Saad. But in the end, these things made us better in the long run because the players we got back actually bought into his system.

He’s entertaining as hell as an individual. His team philosophy has adjusted over time, but it is still highly defensive oriented (but he has shown a willingness to adjust, our team motto was safe is death at one point in his tenure because he wanted our D to be engaged offensively) but that’s how you win in the NHL sometimes.

What happened in Vancouver is what people think is the norm for torts. It’s the exception. He’s a great coach."

The Flyers are far closer to Vancouver than they are to Columbus.

 

[Jumptheshark]

John Torts is being reported--if so-I can see a few players being moved sooner than later

 

[Beef Invictus]

From what ASP wrote today, it doesn't look as though Scott does trust them. There might be some guys leaving and others on thin ice. Whose idea was it to add Briere, Scott or Fletcher?

I doubt Scott knew who Briere was. Probably Clarke or Holmgren.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

The Flyers are back to a management style where they’re like an alcoholic who somewhat admits they might have a drinking problem but they still end up at the bar every night getting drunk. As a bystander you just watching this thing from the outside waiting for it to get to another low point where there’s no return.

 

[usahockey22flyers]

The Flyers are far closer to Vancouver than they are to Columbus.

This is what scares me.

 

[freakydallas13]

You can criticize this reported hire for many reasons -- and it may turn out to be a terrible hire -- but "minimal thought" simply is not one of them. You can say the Flyers thinking was flawed -- horribly flawed, if you like -- but clearly, they took their time and interviewed alot of candidates.

They took 7 months to interview a whole bunch of coaches and settle on one that has been out of work for years and no one else was chasing because "he'll coach this team the right way".

You can say it took a lot of thought, but the reality of their thought process boils down to "Torts block shots, we want Torts". Everything else is background noise.

 

[DancingPanther]

Chuck Fletcher is the Keyser Söze of the Philadelphia Flyers.

I don't get it.

 

[BiggE]

The Flyers are far closer to Vancouver than they are to Columbus.

They are 2 more years of Cuck away from being the 74-75 Kansas City Scouts

 

[FlyerNutter]

The funny thing with Torts, it is yet again shows such a disconnect from the fanbase. I’m not sure I’ve ever seen such continued bad PR - that they engage in willingly. There must be knowledge that this is clearly a controversial decision.

The continued refusal to rebuild, invest in a strategy to acquire/acclimate high end talent. The continued approach of trying to recreate Bully hockey.

The attitudes expressed here, don’t solely exist on HF. The rest of the league is rightfully so continuing to laugh at this team.

The Flyers though? They know best. Always have. They care about fans as long as they support they egos of the men still eating out of Snider’s pantry.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

This is what scares me.

Why? A few more bad seasons like this past year & the people who put them in this position in the first place run out of excuses to keep their jobs. A bonus caveat might be high draft picks in what’s looking like a pretty good draft at the type next year. Of course assuming they don’t trade them.

The Flyers are risking mediocre seasons as their best outcome. So you’re risking not much there for something could be far more greater.

 

[Beef Invictus]

The Flyers are back to a management style where they’re like an alcoholic who somewhat admits they might have a drinking problem but they still end up at the bar every night getting drunk. As a bystander you just watching this thing from the outside waiting for it to get to another low point where there’s no return.

They're gonna try to drink their way through the drinking problem. Beer has been the issue so they'll fix it by switching to vodka.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

Martin St Louis and Dave Andreychuk are the the definites from Tampa with Vincent Lecavalier, Brad Richards and Khabibulan being close and may all get in. Lundqvist in New York is about as definite as you get and was the only reason the Rangers won under any coach during his career. If Panarin keeps up his production a little longer he will absolutely be in unless you really want to debate a career 1.12 points per game won’t get into the hall. Was it a coincidence that they beat Tampa with him and lost without him?

Outside of grinding Columbus into the last wildcard in a division that was crap at the time, you are going to be hard pressed to make the argument Torts is some kind of miracle worker who wins without elite talent which the current Flyers don’t have.

Tortorella owes his success to an ancient Dave Andreychuk? Really?

And yeah, Lecavalier and Brad Richards were good players. Hall of Famers is pushing it.

And Torts started coaching Lecavalier and Richards when they were 20 years old. He's a huge part of their development into Cup winners. Pretending that they carried Torts to success while ignoring his contributions to making them successful players is ridiculous.

And Martin St. Louis was a nothing player until he he played under Torts, who oversaw his blossoming. So again, to give all the credit to the players while ignoring Torts' helping the players blossom is absurd.

You aren't going to have high-level success in the NHL without good players, that's essential. Vlad rightly mentions that above.

So to write-off a coach's achievements because he had a few good players means you're writing off every successful coach's achievements, and also ignoring the roles coaches played in developing and getting the most out of those players. (Do you dismiss Cooper's accomplishments because of Hedman, Stamkos, Kucherov, and Vasilevskiy?)

But all in all, over the course of his career, I stand by my assertion that Torts squeezed more success out of what he had to work with than almost any NHL coach in the last 20 years.

 

[Embiid]

The only positive thing about "Tortoise" is that he is Eyetalian....

Getting ready for the Flyers to start marketing him like the stereotypical Super Mario and doing a video of him running down the Italian market and up the museum steps like Rocky

 

[Psuhockey]

This sounds a lot like the stuff I posted from the CBJ sites:

"I was going to post this in your thread when he’s officially hired, but it makes a lot of sense

Us CBJ fans sound a lot like you guys when he was hired. We hated it, he was just coming off of a disaster in Vancouver and he was going to ruin every young player we had. The exact opposite happened. everything we hear from the flyers on the outside, and you would know better than me, is that the team needs accountability and direction. Torts is the mastermind of both of those things.

When people say he’s awful with young players and he is a dinosaur, they’re wrong. Torts is literally one of the best coaches you can have as a young team who is trying to turn a culture around or create a new one. He will make your team play hard. He will make the players buy in to a team concept and do the little things right.

Sometimes it comes at a cost. He ran Johansen out of town. He picked on Brandon Saad. But in the end, these things made us better in the long run because the players we got back actually bought into his system.

He’s entertaining as hell as an individual. His team philosophy has adjusted over time, but it is still highly defensive oriented (but he has shown a willingness to adjust, our team motto was safe is death at one point in his tenure because he wanted our D to be engaged offensively) but that’s how you win in the NHL sometimes.

What happened in Vancouver is what people think is the norm for torts. It’s the exception. He’s a great coach."

Sounds like the try hards like him and those with actually talent hated him. Maybe because he played the try hards over the more talented forwards is why they loved him so much.

He will be here two years so I guess it doesn’t matter one way or another. If ASF’s article is even remotely correct, Fletcher is a dead man walking and the next GM will give Torts one more season before bringing in someone of their own.

 

[Philly Fanatik]

They are 2 more years of Cuck away from being the 74-75 Kansas City Scouts

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

What a pathetic organization. Just think if they finish 22nd in the NHL everything will be fine according to the FO
Burn the whole f***ing thing down