Confirmed with Link: The new coach of the Philadelphia Flyers is John Tortorella

[FlyerNutter]

It kind of does matter though.

There are at the very least net neutral coaches who won’t harm prospects.

In terms of Torts, there is a very real possibility he further adds to the ineptitude - and very common pattern of regression we see from the Flyers development machine.

 

[TheKingPin]

Hayes won’t because he’s buddies with Atkinson

I could see Hayes not being serious enough for Torts. Laughton on the other hand looks like a captain under torts.

 

[Psuhockey]

So you agree with the herd who claim Torts is a disaster of a head coach?

His history strongly indicates otherwise.

Turned an incredibly young under-.500 Lightning franchise into a Stanley Cup winner in 4 years.

Turned a young and struggling Columbus team into an 108 point team in his 2nd year, followed by 98 and 97 point seasons, including a sweep of Tampa where they were woefully outmatched personnel-wise.

In between those stints, he had a successful tenure with a young and thin Rangers team (when he took over, Zherdev was their leading scorer, for F's sake), and had a 50 win season and another season with a conference final appearance.

I'd say that Tortorella has consistently accomplished more with less than just about any coach in the last 20 years, and, in stark contrast to popular belief, has a terrific history coaching young teams.

Yet on here it's all doom and gloom.

Care to list all the hall of fame talent he coached that won’t be here or just going to pretend he accomplished it with a complete group of try-hards.

 

[CSKA1974]

The problems in the dressing room will get solved rather quickly. Torts wasn’t my first choice but he will root out the rot and hold them accountable. We are about to be entertained at the least.

Tort has not been a first choice for the majority of the fans and even Flyers brass. But the first choice did not work out and it remains to be seen if plan B is a viable option.
Personally, I am not versed well enough to say if there was a better plan B out there. Every coach comes with baggage of strengths, weaknesses, and unknowns.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

ASF pushing chips to the middle that Fletcher is not in control here

I have a hard time believing that a corporate consulting firm in 2022 would push for Tortorella.

But I also have an easy time believing that Dave Scott would hire a corporate consulting firm to be involved in the search in an effort to protect his own job.

 

[tictactoe]

Sexy news... JVR better pack his shit and Hayes better rewatch some tapes during his time with NYR..

 

[BiggE]

With Cuck building the roster, they could clone Scotty Bowman and at best they’d still miss the playoffs and end up picking 12-16. The coach is basically irrelevant as long as Cuck and the Crony Club are putting the roster together.

 

[dragonoffrost]

So what is the over / under when the locker room quits on Tortorella?

All Star weekend.

 

[BernieParent]

Chuck Fletcher: "We are moving in the right direction."

 

[ponder719]

ASF pushing chips to the middle that Fletcher is not in control here

I do take some comfort in the reporting that they had made an offer to Trotz, and were turned down, before switching focus to Tortorella, at least. Not that I think Trotz would be that much better for our situation, but it at least shows that they ranked those two names correctly, even if the list should have been much longer and had other names above them.

 

[TheKingPin]

ASF pushing chips to the middle that Fletcher is not in control here

Wow. Trotz likely turned down something like 7 mill a year to come here lol.

This team and their corporate bullshit just throws money at problems instead of doing the work and figuring it out.

Hopefully this is at least the end of Fletcher.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

Care to list all the hall of fame talent he coached that won’t be here or just going to pretend he accomplished it with a complete group of try-hards.

LOL. By all means, please tell me these hordes of Hall of Famers Torts rode the coattails of throughout his career.

 

[Beef Invictus]

So you agree with the herd who claim Torts is a disaster of a head coach?

His history strongly indicates otherwise.

Turned an incredibly young under-.500 Lightning franchise into a Stanley Cup winner in 4 years.

Turned a young and struggling Columbus team into an 108 point team in his 2nd year, followed by 98 and 97 point seasons, including a sweep of Tampa where they were woefully outmatched personnel-wise.

In between those stints, he had a successful tenure with a young and thin Rangers team (when he took over, Zherdev was their leading scorer, for F's sake), and had a 50 win season and another season with a conference final appearance.

I'd say that Tortorella has consistently accomplished more with less than just about any coach in the last 20 years, and, in stark contrast to popular belief, has a terrific history coaching young teams.

Yet on here it's all doom and gloom.

You're citing a lot of stuff from very far in the past.

Just like you did with AV.

You have to score to win in today's NHL. Tortorella abhors skills, creativity, and offense. Openly so. This is the team quadrupling down on failed development priorities. Do you think that's good management, sticking to things that don't work?

 

[TCTC]

I could see Hayes not being serious enough for Torts. Laughton on the other hand looks like a captain under torts.

He didn't seem to have a problem with Hartnell. I don't think he has a problem with anyone as long as they perform on the ice.

 

[FlyguyOX]

Torts is the perfect coach for our timeline tbh. We don't have jack shit for top talent and you need a coach that can make lemonade out of chicken shit, which is what Torts does. He can finally instill some damn defensive structure and discipline and hope it gets us in a wild card spot for a couple years before his message wears thin and we start the much needed rebuild.

A wild card spot is Fletcher's goal.

So if that's the goal, Torts seems like a good guy to do it.

To be clear - obviously we need a major rebuild, but that's not the direction the FO has taken this team.

Nice

 

[Fight4yourRight]

How can you not hire a hockey mind like this?



Bozo GM. Bozo coach. Bozo organization.

of all the other awful takes by Torts, including the one about Zegras, this one is actually very mild in comparison.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

The problem is they have a mediocre at best roster & that’s been the case for a decade now. They never had a deep roster even going back a decade ago. They had some good players at the top end in their prime with guys like Giroux, Voracek, Simmonds, etc. under Hextall but pretty much zero depth.

Now the top end of the roster isn’t nearly as good as that & they still have little to no depth. They don’t even have the resources either because Fletcher spent a good chunk of assets & capspace on bad deals since he’s been here too.

They don’t/didn’t have the necessary talent to outrun the goaltending going to complete shit two years ago or the fact they missed a lot of man games between Ellis, Coututier, Giroux (I know he wasn’t hurt but they were so bad they had to trade him at the deadline which wasn’t apart of their initial plan), etc. Even the games Coututier did play he clearly wasn’t 100%. That roster they iced for almost three quarters of last year flat out stunk.

So you can shout accountability & all these buzzwords until you’re blue in the face but this are actual tangible reasons to finding out what went wrong. That’s not a defense but rather a reality. The biggest issue plaguing the Flyers right now is their front office. In totality they’re not getting enough good coaches or players in here.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

You're citing a lot of stuff from very far in the past.

Just like you did with AV.

You have to score to win in today's NHL. Tortorella abhors skills, creativity, and offense. Openly so. This is the team quadrupling down on failed development priorities. Do you think that's good management, sticking to things that don't work?

You're ignoring the fact that Tortorella has coached many very young players early in their careers who successfully developed under his tutelage.

And that defense still wins in today's NHL. Ask Jon Cooper, who is generally hailed as the best coach in the NHL.

Do you think that's good analysis, pretending that these things don't exist?

 

[GKJ]

Wow. Trotz likely turned down something like 7 mill a year to come here lol.

This team and their corporate bullshit just throws money at problems instead of doing the work and figuring it out.

Hopefully this is at least the end of Fletcher.

Fletcher was always the fall guy. Firing him doesn’t really change anything. It will just look good to the hivemind when it happens

 

[Fight4yourRight]

At least the goalie stats will improve? You have to think a Hart-Fedotov duo with a roster dedicated to blocking shots with their faces should be capable of that..

 

[DancingPanther]

Fletcher was always the fall guy. Firing him doesn’t really change anything. It will just look good to the hivemind when it happens

You're totally right. No one around here is acknowledging Clarke/Holngren/etc as an equal or bigger problem. No one made a chart or anything about it. The Hivemind is totes obsessed with Fletcher, the ultimate villain!

 

[DrinkFightFlyers]

Meh, he'll have the same success anyone else would in this situation (e.g., none). As many have pointed out, he has had success with younger players. Yes he's a dick and yes he's going to do things on and off the ice that piss fans and players off, but it isn't like Cam York would be a perennial Norris Trophy contender under someone else and now he is ruined. This team and organization sucks real bad right now and the coach was never going to change it.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

When does someone in Comcast realize that guys like Scott, Clarke, Homer, Fletcher, & the rest of the band of idiots are destroying their asset?

 

[TheKingPin]

Fletcher was always the fall guy. Firing him doesn’t really change anything. It will just look good to the hivemind when it happens

No question, Clarke, Homer, Fletcher, Scott all need to go.

 

[GKJ]

You're totally right. No one around here is acknowledging Clarke/Holngren/etc as an equal or bigger problem. No one made a chart or anything about it. The Hivemind is totes obsessed with Fletcher, the ultimate villain!

They’re just gonna Goodfellas their way around until they get whacked