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Confirmed with Link: The new coach of the Philadelphia Flyers is John Tortorella

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BrindamoursNose said:
I do think it's important to hear a coach's perspective. It's important during interviews, IMO, to see if what they feel lines up with how the org is currently feeling. Could be a good gauge for where you should be going personnel-wise.
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It's an almost certainty, that whoever they draft at 5, will play more games for another coach than the one they will hire before this season. AV was hired in April 2019. That year the Flyers took Cam York. Cam York played 3 meaningless (according to said coach) games for AV.

If we're talking football? Different story. Hockey, like baseball, the player has to match what the organization is looking for for a decade+, not a coach with an inevitable short shelf life. And based on the names thrown around, a short, short shelf life. I mean if Fletcher gets canned after next season, the next coach could go with him before this draft pick ever plays a game for the Flyers.
 
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If Fletcher’s new coach crashes and burns, how many former executives/coaches will the Flyers still be paying in 2023-2024? A blank check
 
In the salary cap era, rich teams should exploit their financial advantage by investing in scouting, development personnel and analytics, and be willing to eat HC mistakes without regard to cost.
 
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GKJ said:
The draft is less than a month away for all the other teams as well. Chicago hasn't hired a coach yet, and they fired theirs first. And they have a more clearly stated direction and the Flyers do.

Only 2 teams have moved, one promoted someone who was going get hired elsewhere. The other kept the guy who had an option year, so neither of them did a search. The Bruins just fired their coach, it would've been malpractice if we, or any team doing a search, hired someone new having not talked to Cassidy. Everyone should be waiting for Tampa to be done and try to raid their staff.
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There's a difference between firing your coach after the season with the need to find a replacement at that time and doing it in-season and still not having a clear direction six months later. I'm not saying you need to rush and sign the first coach that will agree, but waiting around for that "perfect" guy is a fool's errand unless you have some kind of insight that someone is going agree after the season. If that's case, ok. But it seems pretty unlikely.
 
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Beef Invictus said:
Tortorella claiming credit for TB is kind of f***ing insane
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He's right to an extent - after that sweep TB went out and got Goodrow, Coleman, Maroon, Shattenkirk, L Schenn, and Bogosian in Feb. They became a more physical team with a middle six that could forecheck you to death.
 
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Or an assistant coach still in the playoffs is high on their list, so they're interviewing long-shot candidates to get additional input while they wait.
 
DrinkFightFlyers said:
There's a difference between firing your coach after the season with the need to find a replacement at that time and doing it in-season and still not having a clear direction six months later. I'm not saying you need to rush and sign the first coach that will agree, but waiting around for that "perfect" guy is a fool's errand unless you have some kind of insight that someone is going agree after the season. If that's case, ok. But it seems pretty unlikely.
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Ok but what if you didn't even get to talk to that guy yet? The date they fired AV is completely immaterial once it was certain that they were sticking with Yeo to ride out the year.
 
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Or an assistant coach still in the playoffs is high on their list, so they're interviewing long-shot candidates to get additional input while they wait.
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Ok but what if you didn't even get to talk to that guy yet? The date they fired AV is completely immaterial once it was certain that they were sticking with Yeo to ride out the year.
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Which is what they should have done - why limit yourself to HCs that nobody wanted when the season started?
 
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Ok but what if you didn't even get to talk to that guy yet? The date they fired AV is completely immaterial once it was certain that they were sticking with Yeo to ride out the year.
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I mean that's six of one half dozen of the other. What if the guy you want signs somewhere else first because you're waiting for the next guy? Presumably they have some kind of plan and have their sights on someone but with this team that seems less and less likely. I suspect they'll get stuck with their 3/4 choice because the other guys won't want to sign here or will have signed while they are waiting.
 
DrinkFightFlyers said:
I mean that's six of one half dozen of the other. What if the guy you want signs somewhere else first because you're waiting for the next guy? Presumably they have some kind of plan and have their sights on someone but with this team that seems less and less likely. I suspect they'll get stuck with their 3/4 choice because the other guys won't want to sign here or will have signed while they are waiting.
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Odds are if they really wanted a guy, they've had already hired him unless like Trotz, he has multiple options.
So this tells me no one has blown them away, or they can't decide which direction they want to go.
 
I think AV might get another shot potentially but I think his stock took quite a hit even in the eyes of the hockey men.

I think there’s offsetting language in these contracts. So like if a team offered him a three deal for $2.5M a year. The Flyers would owe the difference these next two years. $2.5M each year instead of the $5M. So AV can’t double dip with contracts for these next two years.

So if that’s the way it is it might make more sense to skip out this year for AV.
 
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DrinkFightFlyers said:
I mean that's six of one half dozen of the other. What if the guy you want signs somewhere else first because you're waiting for the next guy? Presumably they have some kind of plan and have their sights on someone but with this team that seems less and less likely. I suspect they'll get stuck with their 3/4 choice because the other guys won't want to sign here or will have signed while they are waiting.
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He probably isn't the guy you wanted then
 
LegionOfDoom91 said:
I think AV might get another shot potentially but I think his stock took quite a hit even in the eyes of the hockey men.
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I doubt it. Everyone knows the Flyers are a mess. AV's track record is still pretty good, and everyone who leaves here ends up succeeding. The hockey men always coalesce.
 
FLYguy3911 said:
It's an almost certainty, that whoever they draft at 5, will play more games for another coach than the one they will hire before this season. AV was hired in April 2019. That year the Flyers took Cam York. Cam York played 3 meaningless (according to said coach) games for AV.

If we're talking football? Different story. Hockey, like baseball, the player has to match what the organization is looking for for a decade+, not a coach with an inevitable short shelf life. And based on the names thrown around, a short, short shelf life. I mean if Fletcher gets canned after next season, the next coach could go with him before this draft pick ever plays a game for the Flyers.
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I don't disagree with the "they'll play for another coach" comment. I think you shouldn't draft anyone based mostly on the coach's preference (in hockey, at least) -

but I think the coach's opinion of players in the upcoming draft is a decent gauge for the org. Like, is their natural inclination for personnel in-line with the org's philosophy? Do they go for small, speedy wingers? Big, lumbering centers? High emphasis on tall, puck-moving D? Do they believe in drafting sandpaper high?

Just stuff like that.
 
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