Confirmed with Link: The new coach of the Philadelphia Flyers is John Tortorella
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GKJ
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I don’t know who said that, but I’m listening right now to 32T and Friedman simply said he’s not sure he ever got interviewed.
Doesn’t think Trotz will get a second interview because they know where he is at (read: not happening)
Vellucci interview went “very well”
Going to talk to Cassidy but sounds like that it hasn’t happened yet
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This current Flyers regime interviewing Blashill and Quinn and rumored to have Torts as their front-runner but having no interest whatsoever in Montgomery is as on-brand as it gets. They are extremely f***ing stupid and make the wrong decision every single time. This won't be any different.
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Give me Vellucci at this point. Even the small chance he can be Sullivan 2.0 is worth it. Cassidy isn't going to come here. Every other name out there now that hasn't been ruled out yet is garbage.
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Curufinwe
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The last page was making fun of them (via Meltzer) for being interested in Monty.
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I read it as more of a criticism of Meltzer for still not recognizing that the Flyers offense is trash too, not just their defense. The Flyers and their beats keep talking about being better defensively when they were actually even worse offensively.
I don't want to put words in their mouths, but I get the impression they'd all prefer Montgomery to Torts and some of the other names, including even Trotz.
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I wouldn't be surprised if they decided against Montgomery.
I think he's a good coach, but the Flyers can't afford to take the risk -- not with so many other good coaches available.
Somebody with a cell phone catches Montgomery's bald head drinking, and suddenly the Flyers have a huge controversy and distraction on their hands. That's the last thing the team needs right now as they try to rebound.
I do hope he gets a second chance somewhere, though.
I think he's a good coach, but the Flyers can't afford to take the risk -- not with so many other good coaches available.
Somebody with a cell phone catches Montgomery's bald head drinking, and suddenly the Flyers have a huge controversy and distraction on their hands. That's the last thing the team needs right now as they try to rebound.
I do hope he gets a second chance somewhere, though.
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Velluci would mean they've embraced the "reload/rebuild," b/c you bring him in if you're committed to going young the next few years.
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Vellucci is 56 years old (no spring chicken), never been a head coach in the NHL, only 5 years as a coach above the OHL level. Brought to the Hurricanes under known boring dud and awful evaluator, Ron Francis, left after he got canned.
People always conflate assistants with head coaches, as if they don't have 3000 examples across sports that it's not worth much. Mike Sullivan was Torts' long-time assistant, and he couldn't have been less like him as a head coach, besides being a bit ornery. I’m trying to figure out the appeal on paper.
The coaches they’ve interviewed is just confirmation rock bottom is yet to come.
People always conflate assistants with head coaches, as if they don't have 3000 examples across sports that it's not worth much. Mike Sullivan was Torts' long-time assistant, and he couldn't have been less like him as a head coach, besides being a bit ornery. I’m trying to figure out the appeal on paper.
The coaches they’ve interviewed is just confirmation rock bottom is yet to come.
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Hockey guys tend to see scoring as a reflection of talent while defense is more about coaching. It's also why we've seen players giving up on plays in the neutral zone and the damn team can't work a cycle.
So I think Fletcher is really under the microscope. He's going to look at every candidate available because it may be the next gm who hires the next coach.
So I think Fletcher is really under the microscope. He's going to look at every candidate available because it may be the next gm who hires the next coach.
Larry44
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To have a good team, you need leadership and vision. There is no one in the Flyers' front office, from top to bottom, who has that, with the possible exception of Briere. I'm hoping that Briere has been playing a coy game, playing along with the dolts in the hope of landing the GM job. He was always told he was too slow and too small to play, but he was a great player because he was clever and skilled.
I have no expectations that they will hire the right coach, nor will the expectations they put on the coach ever be realized. They are going to tell the coach to make the playoffs, to squeeze offensive blood out of a barren stone, to fill a building with fans, to increase TV viewership, and he's going to fail in every regard - almost whoever it is.
Whoever takes the job is just doing so out of desperation for employment or a chance to be a HC again or for the first time.
And they expect free agent players to flock to Philly?
GKJ
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they will come here because we’ll give out stupid money and it’s a great place for travel. 4 teams in our division, you can be home in the same night. Pronger mentioned this in a thread a while back. From a strictly life-work balance point of view, Philadelphia is the best place in the league to play. Don’t think they don’t know that.
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Fair point, we want a coach who does lip service to success for a boatload of cash and an easy commute….again!
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You'd think we have a black and white Jumbotron with the way some people are acting. Philadelphia is a world class city. The franchise has some faults, but they aren't bouncing checks. If a candidate for coach isn't up to a few challenges, he's not going to make it anywhere in the NHL.
GKJ
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Probably why Torts is desperate to land here.
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It seems like they have interviewed basically everyone in this first round of interviews....which is a GOOD thing. I would like to get as many opinions as possible from a wide array of coaches as to what they think is wrong here, and how they think it needs to be fixed. Interviews can be very much used as free consulting. I don't think it's an indication of anything at all. The second round will probably be the real candidates. Still hoping for Cassidy or Trotz.
I think of it like this, the Flyers should be getting a coach that will be good for their team and younger players over the next 2 to 3 years.
The idea of doing anything short term and reloading with this team instead of rebuilding is a joke.
Yes, the Flyers have good pieces, but you need to know when to pull the trigger and go into a proper rebuild to make your team more talented, younger and ready for a more proper cup run.
The idea of doing anything short term and reloading with this team instead of rebuilding is a joke.
Yes, the Flyers have good pieces, but you need to know when to pull the trigger and go into a proper rebuild to make your team more talented, younger and ready for a more proper cup run.
I mostly agree with this, and not that it is likely, but if there were somehow multiple big time moves that could be made I don't see a problem making those moves. Not sure what those would look like but if you could let's say trade JvR and Atkinson for whatever to clear cap space. Then move one of Provolone or Sanheim (or hell even both because this defense has been awful basically throughout their tenure here), then add either as part of those trades or through UFA or other moves a number of impact players, I'd be in for that. Again, probably a less than 1% chance that is a possibility but if they could clear space and land Johnny Hockey and who knows what else via trade or free agency, that coupled with hopefully guys like Frost, York, Brink, etc. taking big steps forward could make this team better in the short and long term.
A total teardown and re-build is a better option, but shedding dead weight and adding impact players to the Couturiers and Farabees of the world wouldn't be a bad thing. It is the half-assed measures of a "re-tool" that would be catastrophic (e.g., trading assets away to take JVR and/or Atkinson so they can add only Johnny Hockey or something like that). But if they could make those deals plus dealing one or both of Provolone or Sanheim, then getting Johnny Hockey and maybe somehow getting a guy like Forsberg too (and maybe in a pipe dream world getting G back on a hometown discount), you could have a nice lineup on offense.
JH-Coots-G
Forsberg-Hayes-Konecny/Farabee
Linblom-Frost-Farabee/Konecny
Laughton-Foerster/Cates-Brink
Ellis-Risto
York-Zamula
Hogberg-Ginning
Hart
Fedotov
Again, very unlikely if not downright impossible, but a true "agressive re-tool" or whatever Fletcher called it would look something like this, not simply making a single trade and/or signing. That defense isn't perfect but it can't be any worse than it was, right? Total rebuild is definitely the way to go, but I'd definitely be on board for some craziness to get something like this done.
GKJ
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I don’t think Torts is an inherently bad big picture hire. The issue is that the reasons why he would be good are not the reasons he would get hired.
Torts bringing structure and accountability is a good thing. This franchise needs that.
If you told me that Torts is paving the way for the next guy, I can dig with that. It’s the path to get there though is flawed because that’s not what the plan is. The plan is to take a step forward and contend in 2 years, and there isn’t a logical path for that to come to fruition because the organization lacks young, high-end talent.
Torts bringing structure and accountability is a good thing. This franchise needs that.
If you told me that Torts is paving the way for the next guy, I can dig with that. It’s the path to get there though is flawed because that’s not what the plan is. The plan is to take a step forward and contend in 2 years, and there isn’t a logical path for that to come to fruition because the organization lacks young, high-end talent.
I brought this up earlier, what the f*** structure will Torts instill in this team? What kind of structure, if any, would he use that would get this team working to be a more proper team, lose less games, and score more goals? Scoring goals was a major issue for this team, especially with the PP, and we want to bring in someone who will probably not fix any of those issues?
And when it comes to accountability, if we're going by the majority of the team from last year, that will be half the team. Is he going to sit half the team? Double shift half the team to show them a lesson? Torts relies on tough love instead of actually making the players work on mistakes and be better for it. A structure where a player makes a mistake and then you're meant to stew in it instead of told how to fix this problem is old dino shit that we don't need in this league. A coach should be proactive with their players, with their problems and resolve it with them and have them resolve it with the team as well. But you know...
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