The New and Improved , Kyle Dubas Discussion Thread

[Stephen]

Oh ok yeah. Matthews get you a bunch of assets gut you never get a single player equal ever. That’s the intriguing thing about trading a player like him to think about. Teams might actually mortgage quite a lot of future to get him and retool,rebuild. A contender won’t be the ones interested or the ones that offer the best package. He would be likely going to a rebuild as the main building block.

For sure that's the nuclear option and Matthews would give you the biggest haul on a hypothetical franchise reset. But I would also have no interest in continuing to build with the remaining Big 3 of Tavares, Marner or Nylander having pressed that button.

 

[Wafflewhipper]

For sure that's the nuclear option and Matthews would give you the biggest haul on a hypothetical franchise reset. But I would also have no interest in continuing to build with the remaining Big 3 of Tavares, Marner or Nylander having pressed that button.

JT contract is iron clad unless he agreed to a move but.... if he was shipped to Arizona where some believe he is going to bale on us for .we have offensive players stocked up fairly well. We could keep all three. We wouldn’t even accept a rebuild,Shanahan wouldn’t either. We all know he wants sustainability for the long haul.
Marner and Tavares can carry the team with Willy and most definitely we are getting a 1st round pick from a weak team. I’m not so sure they would want to tear it down. He could fill many needs moving him.
This is again based on him completely choking out again in our first round to qualify

 

[Stephen]

JT contract is iron clad unless he agreed to a move but.... if he was shipped to Arizona where some believe he is going to bale on us for .we have offensive players stocked up fairly well. We could keep all three. We wouldn’t even accept a rebuild,Shanahan wouldn’t either. We all know he wants sustainability for the long haul.
Marner and Tavares can carry the team with Willy and most definitely we are getting a 1st round pick from a weak team. I’m not so sure they would want to tear it down. He could fill many needs moving him.
This is again based on him completely choking out again in our first round to qualify

I guess what I'm saying is if we moved Auston Matthews, I don't want to continue this era with Marner and Tavares at all. It would be a full restart with all of them gone.

 

[keonsbitterness]

For sure that's the nuclear option and Matthews would give you the biggest haul on a hypothetical franchise reset. But I would also have no interest in continuing to build with the remaining Big 3 of Tavares, Marner or Nylander having pressed that button.

That would be another rebuild because we'd get back mostly futures for Matthews, and the other three would be next to go. Not fun.

 

[Wafflewhipper]

I see them all as mercenaries. If a much better contract/situation presents itself at the right time, any player will leave.

Which is as meaningless as if Dubas said he had five years of job security.

There have been no reports or even wild rumours higher management is getting impatient, and Dubas hasn't been given the dreaded vote of confidence. I see no evidence his job is in jeopardy.

You know what on Dubas. He has had superstars players derail his success two years in a row with only some blame on his part. We really should have beaten Columbus and Montreal and were in fact heavy favourites in both. The players aren’t warriors but this year he filled in some nasty protection. He does definitely adapt. I think they will succeed with this lineup so......
I wish we had a couple million cap space now to accumulate up to the trade deadline nonetheless

 

[Gabriel426]

Some seem to be cheering predominately for the guy watching from the GM box.

Maybe he actually replied or liked their tweets which led them to think they share a personal connections, lol.

 

[Gabriel426]

I guess what I'm saying is if we moved Auston Matthews, I don't want to continue this era with Marner and Tavares at all. It would be a full restart with all of them gone.

Look at the the Islanders, they lost JT for nothing and is actually doing better.

What I am trying to say is we never know.

 

[FiveHoleo]

Look at the the Islanders, they lost JT for nothing and is actually doing better.

What I am trying to say is we never know.

The Islanders have a coach that knows how to use the eraser on the end of his pencil.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Some seem to be cheering predominately for the guy watching from the GM box.

I doubt that very much. Who is doing that?

 

[Leaf Fans]

The Islanders have a coach that knows how to use the eraser on the end of his pencil.

So does every other team. Trotz just does it better than most.

 

[FiveHoleo]

So does every other team. Trotz just does it better than most.

If Keefe knew how to use the eraser on the end of his pencil why didn't he use it in the playoffs to adjust the lineup? We had a 3-1 series lead, and he did nothing as Montreal won the next 3 games. They could have had a cardboard cutout behind the bench all series long and it wouldn't have mattered.

 

[Leaf Fans]

If Keefe knew how to use the eraser on the end of his pencil why didn't he use it in the playoffs to adjust the lineup? We had a 3-1 series lead, and he did nothing as Montreal won the next 3 games. They could have had a cardboard cutout behind the bench all series long and it wouldn't have mattered.

Sure, as it is your hindsight, though a cardboard cut out behind the bench may have won the series. It all depends on the imagination of the person making the claim.

 

[Bomber0104]

If Keefe knew how to use the eraser on the end of his pencil why didn't he use it in the playoffs to adjust the lineup? We had a 3-1 series lead, and he did nothing as Montreal won the next 3 games. They could have had a cardboard cutout behind the bench all series long and it wouldn't have mattered.

How much of Keefe's "moves" on the bench are influenced by the GM, in your opinion?

I like that phrase you wrote, but do you believe the coach is influencing the frozen options on the bench or is it coming from the higher ups?

Keefe played the game to a high level. I actually believe he can see when something isn't working on the ice.

But if he is simply enacting upon the rookie GM's (who never played the game at a high level) experimental hockey strategies, then is he actually the problem?

 

[FiveHoleo]

How much of Keefe's "moves" on the bench are influenced by the GM, in your opinion?

I like that phrase you wrote, but do you believe the coach is influencing the frozen options on the bench or is it coming from the higher ups?

Keefe played the game to a high level. I actually believe he can see when something isn't working on the ice.

But if he is simply enacting upon the rookie GM's (who never played the game at a high level) experimental hockey strategies, then is he actually the problem?

The GM fired a coach that did stuff and replaced him with somebody who doesn't so stuff. Pretty cut and dry to me.

 

[Bomber0104]

The GM fired a coach that did stuff and replaced him with somebody who doesn't so stuff. Pretty cut and dry to me.

Dig deeper into my questions though.

Is it the coach making these decisions, truly, in your mind?

 

[keonsbitterness]

How much of Keefe's "moves" on the bench are influenced by the GM, in your opinion?

How would anyone possibly know? In the end, in-game decisions are all on the coach, just as all player personnel moves are all on the GM.

 

[Bomber0104]

How would anyone possibly know? In the end, in-game decisions are all on the coach, just as all player personnel moves are all on the GM.

That's why I asked for an opinion.

Everyone can have one on this question.

My guess is Babcock did almost entirely what he wanted to do, being a winning coach who understands the game to a degree that few else do, and Keefe does almost none of what he potentially could think of doing on his own..

 

[keonsbitterness]

That's why I asked for an opinion.

Everyone can have one on this question.

My guess is Babcock did almost entirely what he wanted to do, being a winning coach who understands the game to a degree that few else do, and Keefe does almost none of what he potentially could think of doing on his own..

Sounds like an opinion trying to fit an agenda.

 

[egd27]

I doubt that very much. Who is doing that?

You seem to miss an awful lot of what is actually being written on these boards, or is it your HF "persona" to appear confused?

 

[Wafflewhipper]

Dubas needs to luck out and find one of these type guys The unsung playoff heroes of the NHL
Maybe it’s Bunting or Ritchie or Robertson ha. Bunting might be clutch would be my pick onnour roster.

 

[Leaf Fans]

You seem to miss an awful lot of what is actually being written on these boards, or is it your HF "persona" to appear confused?

No it is an incorrect assessment by someone thinking that I appear confused.

 

[zeke]

The Islanders have a coach that knows how to use the eraser on the end of his pencil.

Playoffs, 5v5, lines with over 1m/gm

Beauvilier - Nelson - Bailey 19gms, 11:15/gm
Palmieri - Pageau - Wahlstrom 5gms, 9:54/gm
Komarov - Barzal - Eberle 19gms, 9:18/gm
Palmieri - Pageau - Zajac 14gms, 9:09/gm
Clutterbuck --- Cizikas --- Martin 19gms, 8:42/gm
Palmieri - Barzal - Eberle 15gms, 1:45/gm
Komarov - Palmieri - Zajac 1:39/gm


Hyman - Matthews - Marner 7gms, 13:15/gm
Mikheyev - Engvall - Simmonds 4gms, 7:45/gm
Thornton - Brooks - Spezza 2gms, 7:41/gm
Galchenyuk - Kerfoot - Nylander 6gms, 6:01/gm
Galchenyuk - Foligno - Nylander 3gms, 5:45/gm
Thornton - Foligno - Spezza 1gms, 5:42/gm
Kerfoot - Nash - Mikheyev 1gms, 3:48/gm
Engvall - Kerfoot - Mikheyev 3gms, 3:27/gm
Thornton - Spezza - Simmonds 5gms, 2:45/gm
Nylander - Matthews - Marner 5gms, 2:33/gm
Foligno - Tavares- Nylander 1gms, 2:12/gm
Hyman - Kerfoot - Spezza 1gms, 2:11/gm
Mikheyev - Kerfoot - Hyman 1gms, 1:40/gm
Foligno - Kerfoot - Nylander 2gms, 1:38/gm
Kerfoot - Nash - Nylander 1gms, 1:18/gm
Mikheyev - Kerfoot - Simmonde 6gms, 1:12/gm
Foligno - Engvall - Mikheyev 3gms, 1:07/gm

 

[zeke]

Dude, I've seen your shtick here for years. You generally only come out after a Leafs loss or disappointment. You're basically the opposite of Zeke and Dekes -- "Leafs can do nothing right" compared to their "I've got the stats to prove the Leafs can do nothing wrong." You've been in your glory this summer when a lot of regular posters (rightfully) got pissed off after the playoff loss. Glad you're enjoying yourself. But if you want me to get lost, make me.

Is that plain enough for you?

The stats always clearly show what the leafs did wrong tho.

 

[Bomber0104]

The stats always clearly show what the leafs did wrong tho.

"The stats" also showed that Burke and Nonis' teams were playoff teams/winners/etc..

Would you like to see those?

 

[zeke]

"The stats" also showed that Burke and Nonis' teams were playoff teams/winners/etc..

Would you like to see those?

The stats showed that they were playoffs bubble teams as long as they got decent goaltending.


And the one year they got decent goaltending, they made the playoffs.