Online Series: The Mandalorian III- NO Politics-Mysterious disappearance of Cara Dune

[Jussi]

In Rebels, they established it as a symbol.

In Mandalorian, they say it must be won by combat. Bo-Kotan does not want to take it because last time she did without winning it by combat, she failed.

It is pretty straight forward.

The helmet thing makes no sense though. The Dark Saber thing? Yes.

I think Favreau or Filoni said somewhere that the Mandlorean lore would begin to get more unified in this show.

 

[Hivemind]

In Rebels, they established it as a symbol.

In Mandalorian, they say it must be won by combat. Bo-Kotan does not want to take it because last time she did without winning it by combat, she failed.

It is pretty straight forward.

The helmet thing makes no sense though. The Dark Saber thing? Yes.

You've spelled out my point again in your post here. The Dark Saber existed in both Clone Wars and Rebels, and was used in multiple Mandalore story lines. After those story lines are complete, they then introduce a new rule for the Dark Saber (that it must be won in combat) in a different show (The Mandalorian). That new rule then has to be explained away with dialogue lines in the Mandalorian to tie up loose ends (some of the many) it creates in previous canon. That's sloppy story writing. And that kind of stuff is present through all of the various Mandalore arcs.

(There's also tangents we can go down about all the times wielders of the Dark Saber were defeated in duels and didn't give up the Dark Saber, times where various factions don't really acknowledge that it makes you the ruler of Mandalore, etc)

 

[Scandale du Jour]

You've spelled out my point again in your post here. The Dark Saber existed in both Clone Wars and Rebels, and was used in multiple Mandalore story lines. After those story lines are complete, they then introduce a new rule for the Dark Saber (that it must be won in combat) in a different show (The Mandalorian). That new rule then has to be explained away with dialogue lines in the Mandalorian to tie up loose ends (some of the many) it creates in previous canon. That's sloppy story writing. And that kind of stuff is present through all of the various Mandalore arcs.

(There's also tangents we can go down about all the times wielders of the Dark Saber were defeated in duels and didn't give up the Dark Saber, times where various factions don't really acknowledge that it makes you the ruler of Mandalore, etc)

I mean, if your point is that the lore grows as they add stories to it, then, yeah, I spelled out your point for you.

If your point is that it is lazy writing, fair enough. But that one is far from "sloppy" or difficult to understand. It is in fact pretty straight forward.

The "not-allowed-to-take-off-your-helmet" thing, yeah, that one seems out of no where and contradicts other stories.

 

[Hivemind]

I mean, if your point is that the lore grows as they add stories to it, then, yeah, I spelled out your point for you.

If your point is that it is lazy writing, fair enough. But that one is far from "sloppy" or difficult to understand. It is in fact pretty straight forward.

The "not-allowed-to-take-off-your-helmet" thing, yeah, that one seems out of no where and contradicts other stories.

Lore growing doesn't have to create conflicts in previously established lore. The Dark Saber is one of a great many conflicts that exist in MandaLORE.

It's both lazy and sloppy writing. There are tons of moments with various levels of inconsistencies around the Dark Saber, and throwing in a random line of dialogue in the Mandalorian after the fact doesn't change that.

 

[LarKing]

I mean, if your point is that the lore grows as they add stories to it, then, yeah, I spelled out your point for you.

If your point is that it is lazy writing, fair enough. But that one is far from "sloppy" or difficult to understand. It is in fact pretty straight forward.

The "not-allowed-to-take-off-your-helmet" thing, yeah, that one seems out of no where and contradicts other stories.

I could very well be wrong but I believe this was a rule of the original Mandalorians. This group is basically a group that upholds old traditions. "This is the way".

 

[Scandale du Jour]

I could very well be wrong but I believe this was a rule of the original Mandalorians. This group is basically a group that upholds old traditions. "This is the way".

Yeah, that's what I got from the story too, but I rolled my eyes at that one. It seemed out of no where and was not explained.

The Dark Saber, I think it was fine.

 

[Bounces R Way]

Finally got around to watching the first episode last night. Didn't love it honestly, didn't hate it either, but a firm shrug of the shoulders/10.

(spoilers)Just too much jumping around and I don't find any of the storylines very interesting. Hope they wrap up the Mando bathing in the minewaters or whatever of Mandalore for redemption quickly. I think the only one who cares about that at all is Mando himself. They also spent a lot of time on IG-11 for what I can tell little to no reason. Also Bo-Katan just doesn't GAF anymore? Just gives up on the mission that has defined her for most of her adult life? I dunno, seems weak.

The space battle at least was awesome though. If the pirate king was being setup to be the main villain of the season, well that seems like a significant step down from Moff Gideon to me but hopefully that's not the case and it'll be more a shorter arc later.

Well that episode basically answered most of my complaints about the first one. Again the action sequences seem to be the highlight, although I did like Mando and Bo-Katan digging into their own pasts a bit more.

 

[TheAngryHank]

The mechanic woman is getting annoying , ,I get it's in part a kids show but im forced to turn my mind off more than I already have in preparation to enjoy this show , which i do.

 

[SepticFish]

After those story lines are complete, they then introduce a new rule for the Dark Saber (that it must be won in combat) in a different show (The Mandalorian). That new rule then has to be explained away with dialogue lines in the Mandalorian to tie up loose ends (some of the many) it creates in previous canon. That's sloppy story writing. And that kind of stuff is present through all of the various Mandalore arcs.

The idea that the darksaber needs to be won in combat comes from Rebels.


Are there inconsistencies and retcons? Of course. They're trying to tie together story bits from a couple dozen cartoon episodes that were written over a 15 year span. Maybe it's because I read a lot of comics when I was younger and I'm used to multiple retcons, but I recently re-watched the Mandalore episodes from Clone Wars and Rebels and I thought it held together better than I remembered.

 

[Osprey]

I was entertained by that episode, but didn't really like it. The visuals, serial adventure feel and action were satisfying, but the rest wasn't so much. After Andor, it's more disappointing when a whole episode is seemingly shot on The Volume. I agree that the mechanic lady was cringey (as always) and that all of the actors' lines sounded well rehearsed. I also don't have much interest in Mandalorian lore. I preferred S1 and parts of S2, when Mando was like the Man With No Name visiting new places and getting caught up in other people's issues instead of his own people's. It's feeling less like a Western in space and more like a live action version of the cartoons, as someone mentioned. At least the "Mandalore bathing" is over with so that the show can move onto something more interesting. Don't get me wrong. I was still entertained for 30 minutes, just not as much as I was in season 1 and, especially, with Andor.

 

[Jussi]

I was entertained by that episode, but didn't really like it. The visuals, serial adventure feel and action were satisfying, but the rest wasn't so much. After Andor, it's more disappointing when a whole episode is seemingly shot on The Volume. I agree that the mechanic lady was cringey (as always) and that all of the actors' lines sounded well rehearsed. I also don't have much interest in Mandalorian lore. I preferred S1 and parts of S2, when Mando was like the Man With No Name visiting new places and getting caught up in other people's issues instead of his own people's. It's feeling less like a Western in space and more like a live action version of the cartoons, as someone mentioned. At least the "Mandalore bathing" is over with so that the show can move onto something more interesting. Don't get me wrong. I was still entertained for 30 minutes, just not as much as I was in season 1 and, especially, with Andor.

Oh, it'll be more Mandalore and Mandalorians from now on. That is the big picture.

 

[Arthur Morgan]

what happened in the end there? how did he sink so quickly.

 

[Osprey]

Oh, it'll be more Mandalore and Mandalorians from now on. That is the big picture.

Yeah, I figured as much or else I wouldn't have said as much. It doesn't excite me, but anything will be better than Mando needing a bath.

 

[Jussi]

what happened in the end there? how did he sink so quickly.

Beskar's heavy. You ain't swimming with it without a jetpack.

The idea that the darksaber needs to be won in combat comes from Rebels.


Are there inconsistencies and retcons? Of course. They're trying to tie together story bits from a couple dozen cartoon episodes that were written over a 15 year span. Maybe it's because I read a lot of comics when I was younger and I'm used to multiple retcons, but I recently re-watched the Mandalore episodes from Clone Wars and Rebels and I thought it held together better than I remembered.

I think Filoni is using these live action shows to tie up loose ends of the lore and storylines from the animated shows. May have said it himself.

 

[Unlimited Chequing]

Am I the only one that thinks something romantic will happen between Din and Bo-Katan?

Oh yeah, they're totally gonna knock helmets.

 

[Arthur Morgan]

Beskar's heavy. You ain't swimming with it without a jetpack.

ok I wasnt too sure, wasnt expecting him to sink that quickly

 

[Jussi]

ok I wasnt too sure, wasnt expecting him to sink that quickly

Neither was he.

 

[MadDevil]

Yeah, I figured as much or else I wouldn't have said as much. It doesn't excite me, but anything will be better than Mando needing a bath.

I was half hoping for the slapstick moment when he took off everything except for his helmet to bathe in the waters.

 

[Osprey]

I was half hoping for the slapstick moment when he took off everything except for his helmet to bathe in the waters.

Hah. I was expecting the opposite, that he'd leave most of his clothes on and take his helmet off after awkwardly asking Bo-Katan to look away.

 

[Hasbro]

 

[Jussi]

The Mandalorian's Next Episode Is Reportedly the Longest of the Series

After a two-year hiatus, Star Wars: The Mandalorian is finally back on Disney+. The first two episodes of the third season have seen Din Djarin (Pedro Pascal) and Grogu meeting up with old friends and going on new adventures, and the third episode promises more excitement. In fact, there are...

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Rumored to be 56 minutes 11 seconds.

 

[Jussi]

 

[Very Stable Genius]

Definitely a more Andor-esqe episode today.

 

[Deport Ogie]

Definitely a more Andor-esqe episode today.

This was my immediate thought as well. No idea where that plot thread developed from or where it's going. Not a criticism, just an observation.

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I was kind of happy to see the comms officer and the doc brought back to get some character dev and I'll also freely admit the 'twist' got me, as in I did not see it coming at all.

 

[Hivemind]

Definitely a more Andor-esqe episode today.

The difference of depiction of Coruscant in Andor vs the depiction of Coruscant in the Mandalorian is stark. Andor's shots played up the brutalist architecture and made it feel like a lived-in world. This episode gave us tons of bright, neon backgrounds and CGI vistas- reminscient of the prequels more than anything else. A lot of this is the difference on shooting on practical sets vs. shooting on the volume.