Online Series: The Mandalorian III- NO Politics-Mysterious disappearance of Cara Dune

[RobBrown4PM]

Hoping for Thrawn. Mando has already beaten Gideon. He's a good villain and incredible actor but I would prefer they step up to someone larger or at least start leading it that way. Maybe have Mando beat Gideon once and for all at the end of the season and then show one of Gideon's underlings contacting Thrawn to end the season and have Thrawn be the villain for season 4/5.

He's gonna be the V for Ashoka. But there will likely be some crossover, especially with the stuff in Mt. Tantiss having been teased at length.

 

[Jussi]

He's gonna be the V for Ashoka. But there will likely be some crossover, especially with the stuff in Mt. Tantiss having been teased at length.

Giancarlo Esposito's been included in the cast interviews for this season which kind of guarantees Moff Gideon appearance. I think that Thrawn is going to be the season finale post-credit or final scene. Picture it: Sicily... Someone in a Imperial military officer uniform walking in a corridor, enters a room and then you begin to hear organ music...

 

[Richard]

It would be interesting if the united Mandalorians sort of took over the Talon Karrde smuggling coalition from the Thrawn Trilogy. You know, hitting the empire from an unexpected direction.

Also, the scrapping of weaponry doesn't make sense so close after a war. It's my biggest gripe with the new canon -- none of it makes sense and it was all scrapped together to support an absolute train wreck of a sequel trilogy.

 

[Jussi]

It would be interesting if the united Mandalorians sort of took over the Talon Karrde smuggling coalition from the Thrawn Trilogy. You know, hitting the empire from an unexpected direction.

Also, the scrapping of weaponry doesn't make sense so close after a war. It's my biggest gripe with the new canon -- none of it makes sense and it was all scrapped together to support an absolute train wreck of a sequel trilogy.

Actually from what I've heard, that was in the Bloodline book/novel already. Leia was against it in that if I've understood correctly.

 

[NyQuil]

Also, the scrapping of weaponry doesn't make sense so close after a war. It's my biggest gripe with the new canon -- none of it makes sense and it was all scrapped together to support an absolute train wreck of a sequel trilogy.

A lot of what is happening appears to be trying to fix all of the story holes in the sequels.

I suspect the cloning technology angle will eventually tie back to "Palpatine returning somehow".

 

[Jussi]

A lot of what is happening appears to be trying to fix all of the story holes in the sequels.

I suspect the cloning technology angle will eventually tie back to "Palpatine returning somehow".

It's already been happening in the Bad Patch.

 

[Scandale du Jour]

A lot of what is happening appears to be trying to fix all of the story holes in the sequels.

I suspect the cloning technology angle will eventually tie back to "Palpatine returning somehow".

That is what it was in Legends.

Palpatine had multiple clones. They are definitely going that route.

 

[Richard]

A lot of what is happening appears to be trying to fix all of the story holes in the sequels.

I suspect the cloning technology angle will eventually tie back to "Palpatine returning somehow".

The old canon -- while messy, convoluted, self-serving, and disjointed at least had the official war lasting another 15-20 years after return of the jedi with YEARS being required to destroy the remnants of the empire. With imperial warlords fighting each other for years as well. It felt massive and large scale.


Honestly, that is my biggest gripe with Disney (sans Andor) it has made a galaxy far, far, away seem so very, very small.

From the same locations to the empire being defeated in one battle Jakku or whatever. It's just utterly silly storytelling.

 

[LarKing]

Just let the sequels lay dead. Nobody is going to think higher of them by including stuff that makes their plot make more sense in other shows.

They were awful movies. This is like finding out your ex does charity work after finding out they murdered someone. They're still an awful person and it doesn't help the situation like you think it would. Just let go.

 

[RobBrown4PM]

It's already been happening in the Bad Patch.

Palpatine was cloned in Legends, and IIRC, is sucked then too.

Cloning plays a big part in Legends overall, starting in the OG Thrawn trilogy with his raiding Mt. Tantiss and creating a clone army, a mad Jedi in Jorus, and Evil Luke.

 

[Jussi]

Palpatine was cloned in Legends, and IIRC, is sucked then too.

Cloning plays a big part in Legends overall, starting in the OG Thrawn trilogy with his raiding Mt. Tantiss and creating a clone army, a mad Jedi in Jorus, and Evil Luke.

Oooh, vampires!

 

[MadDevil]

Palpatine was cloned in Legends, and IIRC, is sucked then too.

Cloning plays a big part in Legends overall, starting in the OG Thrawn trilogy with his raiding Mt. Tantiss and creating a clone army, a mad Jedi in Jorus, and Evil Luke.

What, you don't want to see Luuke Skywalker?

 

[Hivemind]

Just let the sequels lay dead. Nobody is going to think higher of them by including stuff that makes their plot make more sense in other shows.

They were awful movies. This is like finding out your ex does charity work after finding out they murdered someone. They're still an awful person and it doesn't help the situation like you think it would. Just let go.

Not going to happen. Disney is going to do the same thing to the sequel-era as was done to the prequel-era. Everything you said about the sequel movies is just as true when it comes to the prequel movies. They're absolutely awful. But they built up additional story lines, media, and content around them to the point where people used that content to help bridge the gaps of incomplete writing, setting, and characterization, and eventually had a more positive view of that era in Star Wars. The worst part of the prequels is actually the prequel movies themselves. Disney is very much using their current slate of shows to attempt to start doing the same with the lead-up to the sequel era.

Personally, I don't want The Mandalorian to bridge out and be too much a part of a larger storyline. The Mandalorian excels at its self-contained narratives, as a Space Western serial. There's a natural fit of Grogu to the cloning narrative to an extent, but cramming in all these crossovers, cameos, and connections and placing it into this larger Mandalore arc are negative things that drag the show downwards. If they try and cram more Thrawn, Ahsoka, Boba, Luke, etc into the series it will continue to turn everything into a muddy mess of needless fan service that both alienates more casual fans and makes the universe feel smaller in scale. Let Mando be Mando. Let it do what it does best, the veteran gunslinger protecting a child from the clutches of the Empire in diverse Outer Rim settings. Don't turn it into some grand scale epic or turn Din into a pivotal fixture of galactic history. Let us live in the Star Wars universe, don't make this into a show that actually changes the course of the Star Wars universe.

 

[Hivemind]

Palpatine was cloned in Legends, and IIRC, is sucked then too.

Cloning plays a big part in Legends overall, starting in the OG Thrawn trilogy with his raiding Mt. Tantiss and creating a clone army, a mad Jedi in Jorus, and Evil Luke.

People have such rose colored glasses when it comes to Legends/EU content. For every halfway decent Legends story or character, there were about 10 absolute garbage ones. They fixate on Thrawn and Mara Jade - but conveniently forget about Triclops, Chewie getting killed by a falling moon, Yuuzhang Vong, etc etc etc

 

[RobBrown4PM]

People have such rose colored glasses when it comes to Legends/EU content. For every halfway decent Legends story or character, there were about 10 absolute garbage ones. They fixate on Thrawn and Mara Jade - but conveniently forget about Triclops, Chewie getting killed by a falling moon, Yuuzhang Vong, etc etc etc

What was wrong with the YV that you didn't like?

 

[Hivemind]

What was wrong with the YV that you didn't like?

All of it. It was an entirely different style of Sci-Fi that was just dumped into Star Wars. In fact, it very much felt like it was done on purpose. "How can we make a Star Wars villain that is the opposite of everything else in Star Wars so far?" It was just contrarian for the sake of being contrarian. They're Star Wars' version of the Borg (or the Zerg/Tyranids/etc), but handled far far worse.

 

[Jussi]

Not going to happen. Disney is going to do the same thing to the sequel-era as was done to the prequel-era. Everything you said about the sequel movies is just as true when it comes to the prequel movies. They're absolutely awful. But they built up additional story lines, media, and content around them to the point where people used that content to help bridge the gaps of incomplete writing, setting, and characterization, and eventually had a more positive view of that era in Star Wars. The worst part of the prequels is actually the prequel movies themselves. Disney is very much using their current slate of shows to attempt to start doing the same with the lead-up to the sequel era.

Personally, I don't want The Mandalorian to bridge out and be too much a part of a larger storyline. The Mandalorian excels at its self-contained narratives, as a Space Western serial. There's a natural fit of Grogu to the cloning narrative to an extent, but cramming in all these crossovers, cameos, and connections and placing it into this larger Mandalore arc are negative things that drag the show downwards. If they try and cram more Thrawn, Ahsoka, Boba, Luke, etc into the series it will continue to turn everything into a muddy mess of needless fan service that both alienates more casual fans and makes the universe feel smaller in scale. Let Mando be Mando. Let it do what it does best, the veteran gunslinger protecting a child from the clutches of the Empire in diverse Outer Rim settings. Don't turn it into some grand scale epic or turn Din into a pivotal fixture of galactic history. Let us live in the Star Wars universe, don't make this into a show that actually changes the course of the Star Wars universe.

The Mandalorian was always designed to be about Mandalore.

 

[RobBrown4PM]

All of it. It was an entirely different style of Sci-Fi that was just dumped into Star Wars. In fact, it very much felt like it was done on purpose. "How can we make a Star Wars villain that is the opposite of everything else in Star Wars so far?" It was just contrarian for the sake of being contrarian. They're Star Wars' version of the Borg (or the Zerg/Tyranids/etc), but handled far far worse.

I loved the idea of them. Them being the reason why Palps overthrew the Republic, formed the Empire, built the DS, sent Thrawn out to the Rim/Unknown regions to prepare for them. It gave weight to a lot of the decisions that were made by the various characters in the universe.

 

[Hivemind]

I loved the idea of them. Them being the reason why Palps overthrew the Republic, formed the Empire, built the DS, sent Thrawn out to the Rim/Unknown regions to prepare for them. It gave weight to a lot of the decisions that were made by the various characters in the universe.

Creating apologism for Palpatine and the Empire was also a negative thing they did. The Empire and the Sith aren't "necessary evils" in Star Wars, they're just evil. This isn't Warhammer 40K (which also has plenty of problems with the "necessary evil" justification).

 

[LarKing]

I loved the idea of them. Them being the reason why Palps overthrew the Republic, formed the Empire, built the DS, sent Thrawn out to the Rim/Unknown regions to prepare for them. It gave weight to a lot of the decisions that were made by the various characters in the universe.

I'm looking to go down this rabbithole. I did some googling and see there are 19 books. Are there any other books I need to read first?

 

[Jussi]

I'm looking to go down this rabbithole. I did some googling and see there are 19 books. Are there any other books I need to read first?

If you want to watch, then the graphic novel Dark Empire is recommended. Art work wasn't quite to my liking though.

 

[RobBrown4PM]

Creating apologism for Palpatine and the Empire was also a negative thing they did. The Empire and the Sith aren't "necessary evils" in Star Wars, they're just evil. This isn't Warhammer 40K (which also has plenty of problems with the "necessary evil" justification).

I don't think it's apologism as much as it is fleshing out characters who's motivations for tossing tables and twirling his evil mustache were mm's deep. I do understand the view some have on giving the Empire a necessary evil coat of paint and I agree the Empire is not an org that should be celebrated. IIRC, in legends the Empire were turning Ayyyy's into soap.

I'm looking to go down this rabbithole. I did some googling and see there are 19 books. Are there any other books I need to read first?

The YV are confined within a certain number of books and other material in legends. And TBH, there are way too many to mention, so take a look at Wookiepedia.

And I don't think its said ouright as much as it is hinted at, with fans filling in the gaps.

Yuuzhan Vong

The Yuuzhan Vong—"Children of Yun-Yuuzhan", also called the Chosen Race, known to the Chiss and Ferroans as the Far Outsiders, and sometimes incorrectly abbreviated to Vong (which implied that one was disowned by their family and their gods)—were a nomadic extra-galactic sentient species that...

starwars.fandom.com

 

[Pranzo Oltranzista]

I'm no Star Wars expert, but I really enjoy this season thus far, a lot more than the previous two - it has some great Star Wars content without too-obvious and cheap allusions (apart from the it's a trap line). Even Grogu is more likable to me for some reason. Liked Andor a lot too.

 

[Lt Dan]

I'm no Star Wars expert, but I really enjoy this season thus far, a lot more than the previous two - it has some great Star Wars content without too-obvious and cheap allusions (apart from the it's a trap line). Even Grogu is more likable to me for some reason. Liked Andor a lot too.

thats the beautiful thing about Star Wars, one doesn't need to be an expert to enjoy it.
you may not get all of the Easter Eggs, but it s a fun ride

 

[Jussi]

Looks like this week's episode is titled "The Foundling" so the Order 66 stuff we saw in the trailers might be covered in this episode.