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I am one of those people who love details and I am really really curious to see who saved Grogu
Online Series: The Mandalorian III- NO Politics-Mysterious disappearance of Cara Dune
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Awesome!
I am one of those people who love details and I am really really curious to see who saved Grogu
Pranzo Oltranzista
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I've never hated SW. It's just the fanboys I can't stand - too much like the movies themselves, with a good/bad understanding of the galaxy and a childish mind that pretends it's adult! If you can accept me with my appreciation of The Last Jedi as one of the finest SW piece, I'm ok with being a "fan".
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I actually just recently finished the entire YV series. Honestly they were just OK at best, there's some good books and some bad ones. A little too young adult for my reading taste. I found listening to them as audio books much easier and more digestible.
Hivemind
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It would be more palatable as fleshing them out if they had ever hinted towards this motivation at any previous point. But they were never mentioned previously, and then a new publisher took over, and suddenly all these important higher ups in the Empire knew about them despite never saying anything about them before. They were a tacked on feature that were the consequence of new publishers and new authors taking things in a different direction (and executing pretty poorly).
I am not sure what to think of this season, just so much seems like missing puzzle pieces from that disaster of a cameo to justify that Boba Fett show (I haven't watched it). He gives the baby to Luke, yet he's back with the baby with no questions answered.
It seems all the elements are there for a bloody good show, but it has been really poorly executed and considering you have an empire in Disney owning the rights, it is pretty shambolic. Everything seems so freakin' forced like the random apes from the year 150,000 via H.G. Wells's "Time Machine" showing up, the one-eye robot capturing him for unknown reasons, the baby barely able to move for 99.9% of the segments yet does force jump and force push on one of those ape blokes yet couldn't open the cage, and random tie fighters coming into the scene with absolutely no purpose except to bomb the castle. Zero explaining on all of these and as a viewer, it is a cardinal sin that you have to make your viewer go and actually search for answers for minor aspects like simply explaining what the eff the bloke in the robot was doing or what it is.
I absolutely despised "The Last Jedi" for the amount of horrible storytelling that led to deus ex machina all over the place and this season has been full of it due to the "forced scenes" to progress the episode. Getting to the mines should've been like five episodes, but they did it in barely two.
It seems all the elements are there for a bloody good show, but it has been really poorly executed and considering you have an empire in Disney owning the rights, it is pretty shambolic. Everything seems so freakin' forced like the random apes from the year 150,000 via H.G. Wells's "Time Machine" showing up, the one-eye robot capturing him for unknown reasons, the baby barely able to move for 99.9% of the segments yet does force jump and force push on one of those ape blokes yet couldn't open the cage, and random tie fighters coming into the scene with absolutely no purpose except to bomb the castle. Zero explaining on all of these and as a viewer, it is a cardinal sin that you have to make your viewer go and actually search for answers for minor aspects like simply explaining what the eff the bloke in the robot was doing or what it is.
I absolutely despised "The Last Jedi" for the amount of horrible storytelling that led to deus ex machina all over the place and this season has been full of it due to the "forced scenes" to progress the episode. Getting to the mines should've been like five episodes, but they did it in barely two.
Hivemind
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This season feels like it looks cheaper than previous seasons. The volume feels like a green screen more than the technology that got so much praise back in season 1. So many of the shots have zero interaction with the set now, and may even completely lack foreground objects. It's just an actor in front of a projected backdrop (like pretty much the entire Coruscant sequence was that way). And with more big CGI backdrops like Coruscant, you don't get the same sort of consistent ambient lighting onto the actors that you do with the more limited color palettes of the deserts, jungles, or ice planets of previous seasons. So it makes the actors feel like they're just standing in front of an imposed environment, rather than part of one. I'm convinced they're even adding in CGI shadows in post, as opposed to the strong directional lighting of previous seasons.
We get these soft & fake looking shadows that make the environment not feel quite real in season 3 (and that's nothing to say of the clown fiesta color schemes of the armor of the unnamed Mandolorian extras):
Where-as in previous seasons, we had stark cast shadows that would interact with physical set pieces and their environment. You didn't even notice that they were filming in The Volume, because it was just providing an extension of their environment. They could create iconic shots that worked well and felt real.
It just feels so much cheaper and faker now.
Unrelated to my concerns with the quality of the visuals - the plot of this episode just felt so contrived. We can't shoot the monster because it will kill the kid. We can't make loud noises near the monster because it will kill the kid (even though we had just used our rocket packs and a spaceship near it moments before). But we can also take our time in rescuing this kid because I guess the monster only feeds its young a day after hunting for... reasons. Was Ragnar Vizsla just alive inside the monsters stomach for an entire night while they camped out below? Does nobody else in that Mandalorian encampment own a ship that could have scouted out where the nest was on the previous times the monster has attacked?
(Also Baby Yoda force acrobatics are every bit as stupid as Yoda's fight against Dooku in episode 2)
We get these soft & fake looking shadows that make the environment not feel quite real in season 3 (and that's nothing to say of the clown fiesta color schemes of the armor of the unnamed Mandolorian extras):
Where-as in previous seasons, we had stark cast shadows that would interact with physical set pieces and their environment. You didn't even notice that they were filming in The Volume, because it was just providing an extension of their environment. They could create iconic shots that worked well and felt real.
It just feels so much cheaper and faker now.
Unrelated to my concerns with the quality of the visuals - the plot of this episode just felt so contrived. We can't shoot the monster because it will kill the kid. We can't make loud noises near the monster because it will kill the kid (even though we had just used our rocket packs and a spaceship near it moments before). But we can also take our time in rescuing this kid because I guess the monster only feeds its young a day after hunting for... reasons. Was Ragnar Vizsla just alive inside the monsters stomach for an entire night while they camped out below? Does nobody else in that Mandalorian encampment own a ship that could have scouted out where the nest was on the previous times the monster has attacked?
(Also Baby Yoda force acrobatics are every bit as stupid as Yoda's fight against Dooku in episode 2)
Richard
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action action action useless action oh cute baby yoda action action useless action baby oh care about this random character we know nothing about action action action oh wait... SIDEQUEST.
This show has jumped the shark. What the f*** is the theme? It's stupid. I'm done watching unless I hear Thrawn makes an appearance but even then no confidence these guys can do it well. Give this to the andor guy he gets it.
This show has jumped the shark. What the f*** is the theme? It's stupid. I'm done watching unless I hear Thrawn makes an appearance but even then no confidence these guys can do it well. Give this to the andor guy he gets it.
Jussi
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Actually they didn't. The left the ship a good distance away from the nest and walked the rest of the way. Didn't use rocket packs.This season feels like it looks cheaper than previous seasons. The volume feels like a green screen more than the technology that got so much praise back in season 1. So many of the shots have zero interaction with the set now, and may even completely lack foreground objects. It's just an actor in front of a projected backdrop (like pretty much the entire Coruscant sequence was that way). And with more big CGI backdrops like Coruscant, you don't get the same sort of consistent ambient lighting onto the actors that you do with the more limited color palettes of the deserts, jungles, or ice planets of previous seasons. So it makes the actors feel like they're just standing in front of an imposed environment, rather than part of one. I'm convinced they're even adding in CGI shadows in post, as opposed to the strong directional lighting of previous seasons.
We get these soft & fake looking shadows that make the environment not feel quite real in season 3 (and that's nothing to say of the clown fiesta color schemes of the armor of the unnamed Mandolorian extras):
Where-as in previous seasons, we had stark cast shadows that would interact with physical set pieces and their environment. You didn't even notice that they were filming in The Volume, because it was just providing an extension of their environment. They could create iconic shots that worked well and felt real.
It just feels so much cheaper and faker now.
Unrelated to my concerns with the quality of the visuals - the plot of this episode just felt so contrived. We can't shoot the monster because it will kill the kid. We can't make loud noises near the monster because it will kill the kid (even though we had just used our rocket packs and a spaceship near it moments before). But we can also take our time in rescuing this kid because I guess the monster only feeds its young a day after hunting for... reasons. Was Ragnar Vizsla just alive inside the monsters stomach for an entire night while they camped out below? Does nobody else in that Mandalorian encampment own a ship that could have scouted out where the nest was on the previous times the monster has attacked?
(Also Baby Yoda force acrobatics are every bit as stupid as Yoda's fight against Dooku in episode 2)
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Richard
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Why? I've never watched the clone wars, I don't know who the f*** Bo Katan is. Don't we need some exposition?
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lol
First you go on a
What are you doing here exactly, other than throwing shit for the sake of throwing it?
Hivemind
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They chased the damn thing with their rocket packs until their rocket packs ran out of fuel. You don't have to reflexively defend every single thing Star Wars does, btw.
AlanHUK
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They chased it and couldn't catch it, when they scouted where it was nested they decided instead of alerting it to their presence they'd use stealth as that would be the safest way to recover the kid.
Seems to be a pretty logical way of doing things.....
Hivemind
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I don't know about you, but if a pterodactyl kidnapped my kid, I don't think I'd camp out all night and wait before climbing up. Nor do I think I'd suddenly decide that we have to climb in the first place, when rocket packs in its proximity hadn't made it kill my kid just before that when we were literally chasing the pterodactyl with rocket packs.
This was the writers just making up "rules" about the pterodactyl as they went along for the sake of plot contrivance.
AlanHUK
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You're right I usually do all my climbing in the dead of night so I can't see any grip points
You'd just approach what appears to be a predators nest making as much noise as possible when trying to save the kid, with full knowledge it had already killed other kids.
Which is a completely different scenario than chasing it at the point of abduction, when you're not going to startle it because it knows you're there.
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Its not veiled -- did you read aftermath trilogy ? The first two books are unreadable. There have been all sorts of characters in the expanded universe -- strong female leads (Mara Jade is my absolute FAVORITE Star Wars character of all time) but this new shit is utter crap.
I liked Zahn's two Thrawn trilogies (Ar'lani is a badass), but everything else has been awful. I am saying they when you write a "type" of character regardless of and in spite of, the plot you get a shitty product. It's totally cool if the lead is gay, or an alien, or a different shade of color, (btw, I am NOT "white" myself) but the pandering bullshit is ridiculous.
All of these aspects are very human and can be compelling unless they are added to check a box on a corporate checklist. IF you can't see the difference and what I am trying to say then fine don't give a shit.
That poster is right though, if you never watched The Clone Wars then you have no idea who these characters are. I suffered from the same aspect in Halo 5: Guardians game. To understand the characters the game drops you with at the opening cut scene, you need to read like four different books and comic book series. I loved Clone Wars and I think it is worth the watch, but bad stories are ones where you give somebody a character and expect them to "know" who they are. Bo is a badarse character, but saving Mando in the last two episodes was sort of getting past the threshold of what should be "allowable" for either a man or a woman in that short of a time. Mando isn't an idiot, he's a silent gunslinger like Clint Eastwood, no?
TheActMan talks about sins in storytelling and this season has suffered from some of them so far.
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Hivemind
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You don't need to f***ing climb, you have a god damn rocket pack. And, for the fifth time, THEY HAD USED ROCKET PACKS NEXT TO THE CREATURE EARLIER IN THE EPISODE WITHOUT IT KILLING THE KID.
And even if you go with the ridiculous conditions they have to climb now, hell yes you climb at dark if a kid's life is in danger. Hell, one of them is the kid's father. You see him abandon the slow an cautious approach when he reaches the summit. Yet he was willing to be slow and cautious the night before? And it's not like Mandalorians haven't invented flashlights or other ways to illuminate their climb.
What's more likley to get a kid killed - using the rocket pack or waiting an entire day and just hoping that the creature doesn't feed its children?
It was just a bad plot contrivance in what was very obviously a filler episode.
I feel like a bad Star Wars fan for not realizing the Jedi who saved Grogu was played by Ahmed Best until after the episode. Cool to see him back involved in Star Wars again.
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I thought it was a bit filler, bit interesting episode. The stuff on Coruscant was cool and a nice surprise. Some of the plot was pretty obvious before it happened. Shortest episode yet at 23 min which kinda sucked.
Jussi
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That was before the rescue mission.
The noise would have alerted it to their presence, they had to do it in stealth.
Based on the amount of helmets in the nest, it's obvious, the creature need to digest the food a while before it feeds it to it's kids, like a combination of Sarlacc, the scavenger creature in Mand'lore and actual birds.
Jussi
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I didn't recognize him at first but once I saw in the credits that the Jedi was played by Admed Best, I just felt like saying "Awwwwwwwwww". What a redemption moment for the guy! 
Jussi
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Since the jedi left in a Naboo ship, I would not be surprised by it being sent by senator Jar Jar. Theesa the way.
I wasn't a fan of that episode, either. I did sort of like the adventure aspect of it, but the writing made it hard to enjoy. Hivemind gave a number of examples of the contrivances for the sake of the plot. A good one is the father being content to wait until morning when his son was in trouble and might not have survived until then. Another is Grogu winning the duel because the kid who grew up in the clan and likely saw or participated in dozens of duels seemingly didn't understand that he could fire all three darts without pausing.
The exposition was also pretty bad. About half a dozen different times, it was explained that they couldn't attack, fly the ship too close or use their jetpacks near the creature or it would kill the kid. Most of the times, it was even directed at characters who should've already known (either because they heard it earlier, should've heard it earlier or said it, themselves). It was obviously just to remind us over and over again, as if we might've forgotten in the few minutes since it was last explained. It was also explained several times that the beast's nest is on the peak. Another bit of unnecessary exposition was Bo-Katan declaring that the creature wasn't in the nest when we and the others could see that. It reminded me of the last episode, when Dr. Pershing pointed out that they'd reached the end of the train. It feels like comic book writing, with speech bubbles over cells to explain what's in them.
I liked some of the desert shots, but some others looked fake. The city scenes particularly did and reminded me too much of the prequels, as did Grogu doing Force acrobatics.
The exposition was also pretty bad. About half a dozen different times, it was explained that they couldn't attack, fly the ship too close or use their jetpacks near the creature or it would kill the kid. Most of the times, it was even directed at characters who should've already known (either because they heard it earlier, should've heard it earlier or said it, themselves). It was obviously just to remind us over and over again, as if we might've forgotten in the few minutes since it was last explained. It was also explained several times that the beast's nest is on the peak. Another bit of unnecessary exposition was Bo-Katan declaring that the creature wasn't in the nest when we and the others could see that. It reminded me of the last episode, when Dr. Pershing pointed out that they'd reached the end of the train. It feels like comic book writing, with speech bubbles over cells to explain what's in them.
I liked some of the desert shots, but some others looked fake. The city scenes particularly did and reminded me too much of the prequels, as did Grogu doing Force acrobatics.
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