The Jets D

[10Ducky10]

I appreciate the underlying metrics that suggest a Samberg-Schmidt pairing an effective option, but the Jets need to re-build, not play moneyball with their remaining vets.

Heinola prefers to play the right side of the ice and would pair well with Samberg. If his defensive game struggles, Samberg has proven himself on the right side. For two lefties they make a solid pair on paper.

Heinola prefers the right side?

Samberg has proven himself on the right side?

 

[Jimmyjets]

My thing with the Jets D is it’s clear the coaches want size. Dillon brings physicality that nobody else does and when he’s not brought back next year I think we have to hope Bauer can take that 3RHD spot.

Samberg was top 10 in rookie of the year voting so I have him on my second pair in pen with it being JMo, Samberg, Dillon.

Is that 3LHD next year Stanley, Heinola, Chisholm, Copa, Kuzmin, guy we just traded for???

For RD, I think we go with DeMelo, Pionk, Schmidt and replace rash of them as their contracts expire. DeMelo out and Bauer in next year then Schmidt and Pionk out and off hand Heinola/Chisholm, Salomonsson, lundmark, guy we draft/ trade for. I’d be calling Columbus to see what’s up.

It’s not clear who the top pair RD of the future will be. 2 years from now are we icing:

Jmo-Heinola
Samberg - Salomonsson
Stanley - Bauer
Chisholm

 

[Gil Fisher]

My thing with the Jets D is it’s clear the coaches want size. Dillon brings physicality that nobody else does and when he’s not brought back next year I think we have to hope Bauer can take that 3RHD spot.

Samberg was top 10 in rookie of the year voting so I have him on my second pair in pen with it being JMo, Samberg, Dillon.

Is that 3LHD next year Stanley, Heinola, Chisholm, Copa, Kuzmin, guy we just traded for???

For RD, I think we go with DeMelo, Pionk, Schmidt and replace rash of them as their contracts expire. DeMelo out and Bauer in next year then Schmidt and Pionk out and off hand Heinola/Chisholm, Salomonsson, lundmark, guy we draft/ trade for. I’d be calling Columbus to see what’s up.

It’s not clear who the top pair RD of the future will be. 2 years from now are we icing:

Jmo-Heinola
Samberg - Salomonsson
Stanley - Bauer
Chisholm

 

[drumzan]

Heinola prefers the right side?

Samberg has proven himself on the right side?

If memory serves, I think Maurice mentioned Heinola wanting to play right side. And Maurice said he’d never play right side in NHL.

 

[10Ducky10]

If memory serves, I think Maurice mentioned Heinola wanting to play right side. And Maurice said he’d never play right side in NHL.

He played the right side in Finland?

 

[Gabe Kupari]

There is a group with Samberg- coloured glasses, that’s for sure.

Yes they are called Team USA

 

[DannyGallivan]

Yes they are called Team USA

Ah that’s right… the “D” squad they sent to the Worlds.

 

[DRW204]

how much rd has heinola actually played in the nhl? i know he played w/ dillon this year (terrible on-ice metrics in their stint) but other than that was it when paired w/ morrissey sparingly (might have been CDN DIvision)?

 

[surixon]

how much rd has heinola actually played in the nhl? i know he played w/ dillon this year (terrible on-ice metrics in their stint) but other than that was it when paired w/ morrissey sparingly (might have been CDN DIvision)?

It's been very limited. He's mostly played LD in the AHL as well from what I've seen.

It is going to be real interesting to see what the actual plan is for him this year and going forward. We've talked about not wasting first round picks and they may be in danger of missing on another if they can't find a way to integrate him.

 

[WolfHouse]

It's been very limited. He's mostly played LD in the AHL as well from what I've seen.

It is going to be real interesting to see what the actual plan is for him this year and going forward. We've talked about not wasting first round picks and they may be in danger of missing on another if they can't find a way to integrate him.

My hunch is he plays in the A for another year and Chisholm is our 7th D - with Capo as the actual call-up and waiver wire guy

TNSE way would be to play Heinola-DeMelo in 2024-25 and top pairing JoMo-Pionk but I'm not a huge fan of that

I don't think Stan has a contract yet...?

 

[Mud Turtle]

For those that watched the Moose last year, who was the better D, Heinola or Chisholm?

 

[surixon]

For those that watched the Moose last year, who was the better D, Heinola or Chisholm?

Heinola was better but Chisholm's game might translate easier.

 

[mazmin]

Heinola prefers the right side?

Samberg has proven himself on the right side?

Indeed. Heinola prefers the right and Maurice was weird about anyone on the off hand. Samberg played a good amount of his NCAA on the right.

 

[KingBogo]

Indeed. Heinola prefers the right and Maurice was weird about anyone on the off hand. Samberg played a good amount of his NCAA on the right.

Except Maurice hasn’t been coach for over 1 1/2 seasons. Doesn’t appear that Bones does either. Though Schmidt is a left hand shot that has always played on the right as a Jet. The bigger problem for Heinola and Chisholm is a lack of roster spots.

 

[TS Quint]

Except Maurice hasn’t been coach for over 1 1/2 seasons. Doesn’t appear that Bones does either. Though Schmidt is a left hand shot that has always played on the right as a Jet. The bigger problem for Heinola and Chisholm is a lack of roster spots.

The biggest problem for Heinola is that he’s a minor league superstar. He has a small toolbox of high end talent to rely on to dominate minor leagues. Until he shows he can play in his own end nothing changes with him. So far it’s a PP when he is on the ice in the defensive zone at the NHL level.

 

[bumblebeeman]

how much rd has heinola actually played in the nhl? i know he played w/ dillon this year (terrible on-ice metrics in their stint) but other than that was it when paired w/ morrissey sparingly (might have been CDN DIvision)?

I think he played on the right side with Morrissey during one of his early season stints. Tho I might be misremembering

 

[Guffman]

Part of me hopes we have a non-playoff year so that there is not hesitation to pull the trigger on trading Scheifele, Hellebuyck, Dillon, DeMelo and Nino.

That would open up playing spots for Heinola and Chrisholm.

 

[KingBogo]

Part of me hopes we have a non-playoff year so that there is not hesitation to pull the trigger on trading Scheifele, Hellebuyck, Dillon, DeMelo and Nino.

That would open up playing spots for Heinola and Chrisholm.

If we go into the current season as is we are likely to be very competitive. We are considerably better going into this season over last. Nino, Names, Valardi, Iafallo and Kupari is a huge upgrade over PLD and a handful of AHL tweeners. Add in the expected steps forward by Perfetti and Samberg. Then you have Scheifele and Helly playing for their next contracts. If nothing changes I expect us to be safety in a playoff spot come the TDL.

 

[Guffman]

If we go into the current season as is we are likely to be very competitive. We are considerably better going into this season over last. Nino, Names, Valardi, Iafallo and Kupari is a huge upgrade over PLD and a handful of AHL tweeners. Add in the expected steps forward by Perfetti and Samberg. Then you have Scheifele and Helly playing for their next contracts. If nothing changes I expect us to be safety in a playoff spot come the TDL.

Yeah, I agree with you. I just hope they get extensions out otherwise it would be such an awful waste of assets.

 

[ps241]

It's been very limited. He's mostly played LD in the AHL as well from what I've seen.

It is going to be real interesting to see what the actual plan is for him this year and going forward. We've talked about not wasting first round picks and they may be in danger of missing on another if they can't find a way to integrate him.

Yea we got spoiled from 2011 to 2016 on bigs wins with our 1st round picks but after the Laine pick our 1st rounds picks

2016 We missed on Stanley so far
2017 K Ves total miss
2018 traded away 1st for rental
2019 Heinola so far is a miss (From Trouba)
2019 traded away a 1st for Hayes


This block of missed opportunity with 1st round capital has created a hole. You don’t win ‘em all but this was our dark era. I am cheering for Heinola but he’s going into his draft +5 season now and not many players have an impact when it takes them this long to break in.


Now the good news is the Perfetti pick was a hit which stopped the almost half decade skid of 1st round misses. On top of that we have 4 more 1sts that have reasonable odds based on my opinion although it’s a bit early still.

 

[Bob E]

Yea we got spoiled from 2011 to 2016 on bigs wins with our 1st round picks but after the Laine pick our 1st rounds picks

2016 We missed on Stanley so far
2017 K Ves total miss
2018 traded away 1st for rental
2019 Heinola so far is a miss (From Trouba)
2019 traded away a 1st for Hayes


This block of missed opportunity with 1st round capital has created a hole. You don’t win ‘em all but this was our dark era. I am cheering for Heinola but he’s going into his draft +5 season now and not many players have an impact when it takes them this long to break in.


Now the good news is the Perfetti pick was a hit which stopped the almost half decade skid of 1st round misses. On top of that we have 4 more 1sts that have reasonable odds based on my opinion although it’s a bit early still.

Ya those hits early on were part player part opportunity. They also played key roles with our roster turnover.

We drafted:

2011 - #1C, #3C
2012 - top pair RHD, vezina calibre goalie
2013 - top pair LHD
2014 - top 6 winger
2015 - top line winger
2016 - top 6 winger

I really like our current prospects, and though there is plenty of development needed, I believe we have drafted:

- a top line C/W in Perfetti
- two top 6 wingers in McGroarty and Barlow.
- top 9 winger in Chibrikov
- Not sure if we have two more top 9 C’s or W’s in Lucius and Lambert but they too are likely NHL’ers.
- potentially a top 4 RHD in Salmonsson
- potentially a starting goalie in DiVincentis

With young players like Perfetti, Vilardi, and Samberg, already making their mark in NHL somewhat and perhaps filling key roles on a contender I’m encouraged for the future.

One glaring hole as a current roster player or prospect is a legit top pairing RHD. Losing Trouba (who is borderline that player) and not replacing him with that calibre a player was problematic. I hope they are able to draft a ‘Trouba’ this coming draft, or a legit top pairing LHD that replaces Josh as a top pairing dman down the road.

 

[ps241]

Ya those hits early on were part player part opportunity. They also played key roles with our roster turnover.

We drafted:

2011 - #1C, #3C
2012 - top pair RHD, vezina calibre goalie
2013 - top pair LHD
2014 - top 6 winger
2015 - top line winger
2016 - top 6 winger

I really like our current prospects, and though there is plenty of development needed, I believe we have drafted:

- a top line C/W in Perfetti
- two top 6 wingers in McGroarty and Barlow.
- top 9 winger in Chibrikov
- Not sure if we have two more top 9 C’s or W’s in Lucius and Lambert but they too are likely NHL’ers.
- potentially a top 4 RHD in Salmonsson
- potentially a starting goalie in DiVincentis

With young players like Perfetti, Vilardi, and Samberg, already making their mark in NHL somewhat and perhaps filling key roles on a contender I’m encouraged for the future.

One glaring hole as a current roster player or prospect is a legit top pairing RHD. Losing Trouba (who is borderline that player) and not replacing him with that calibre a player was problematic. I hope they are able to draft a ‘Trouba’ this coming draft, or a legit top pairing LHD that replaces Josh as a top pairing dman down the road.

It really fell together for us nicely first time around positionally.

This time we will need quite a bit of luck still as far as prospects panning out. I also think this group may need one or two prospects at key spots that are materially better than the best we currently have (Franchise centre and or RHD please, and thank you). No matter what we need to keep drafting more and better.

One or two high picks would be nice. Maybe a moment of lottery luck at the perfect time. Sadly luck is usually a big element.

 

[BoneDocUK]

For those that watched the Moose last year, who was the better D, Heinola or Chisholm?

Heinola overall, but Chisholm plays a simpler, more direct game and is still a better skater. He's a solid all-rounder but lacks Ville's vision and poise in the o-zone and ability to direct play, especially on the PP.

Honestly at this point I think both Ville (and Stanley) are better off trying to break in with a new team. I think either or both can carve out a solid career and Ville still has a shot to be a really good top 4 D with PP upside.

But the Jets made their call years ago on these guys, IMO. I didn't understand the decisions to bring in a series of time-limited plugs over giving first Stan and then Heinola a decent run, and I don't get why Chevy took on a pricy player with so much term in Schmidt, who he must have known he'd not be able to move easily -- but so it goes.

Hopefully we see the logjam lifted with some younger talent set free and a more nuanced development path for D going forward.

 

[DRW204]

Heinola overall, but Chisholm plays a simpler, more direct game and is still a better skater. He's a solid all-rounder but lacks Ville's vision and poise in the o-zone and ability to direct play, especially on the PP.

Honestly at this point I think both Ville (and Stanley) are better off trying to break in with a new team. I think either or both can carve out a solid career and Ville still has a shot to be a really good top 4 D with PP upside.

But the Jets made their call years ago on these guys, IMO. I didn't understand the decisions to bring in a series of time-limited plugs over giving first Stan and then Heinola a decent run, and I don't get why Chevy took on a pricy player with so much term in Schmidt, who he must have known he'd not be able to move easily -- but so it goes.

Hopefully we see the logjam lifted with some younger talent set free and a more nuanced development path for D going forward.

when he brought in schmidt and dillon he was thinking we can't play with 3/6 of our d-group being the likes of forbort, beaulieu and poolman (or sbisa, bitetto, beaulieu, poolman the year prior). and luckily he did b/c heinola has basically shown zilch since that season, along w/ Stanley not improving substantially.

 

[surixon]

Heinola overall, but Chisholm plays a simpler, more direct game and is still a better skater. He's a solid all-rounder but lacks Ville's vision and poise in the o-zone and ability to direct play, especially on the PP.

Honestly at this point I think both Ville (and Stanley) are better off trying to break in with a new team. I think either or both can carve out a solid career and Ville still has a shot to be a really good top 4 D with PP upside.

But the Jets made their call years ago on these guys, IMO. I didn't understand the decisions to bring in a series of time-limited plugs over giving first Stan and then Heinola a decent run, and I don't get why Chevy took on a pricy player with so much term in Schmidt, who he must have known he'd not be able to move easily -- but so it goes.

Hopefully we see the logjam lifted with some younger talent set free and a more nuanced development path for D going forward.

I don't think Stanley fits in here. He got two straight years of consistient playing time and got first crack this past year. Snerg juat outplayed him and stole his spot.

Ville I'm not sure what the deal is with his handling.

I agree that Declan's more direct game likely fits what Bones wants better and he can likely translate easier.

As for brining in the vets, I think that had a lot to do with the public spat between Chevy and Maurice about Ville. My guess is Moe wanted vet dmen brought in order to stick around.