The Jarmo Thread

[JacketsDavid]

- Hasn’t addressed the C or defense?
Johnson looks like a legit future star who could very well end up being the 1C moving forward.
Didn’t address the defense? Drafted Jiricek who’s a franchise prospect, on top of Mateychuk, Svozil, Ceulemans.

To play in the NHL you need guys who can play now.
Jarmo has had 9 seasons - it's not like he traded many of his past #1s (just Duchene trade) and all you have to count on is the past years draft as your hope?

I get it I was a CBJ fanboy and bought everything Doug Mc saif for about 3 years. At some point reality set in that the team wasn't very good and neither was the GM.

 

[Monk]

To play in the NHL you need guys who can play now.
Jarmo has had 9 seasons - it's not like he traded many of his past #1s (just Duchene trade) and all you have to count on is the past years draft as your hope?

I get it I was a CBJ fanboy and bought everything Doug Mc saif for about 3 years. At some point reality set in that the team wasn't very good and neither was the GM.

To be clear, you don't have to be a "CBJ fanboy" and buy everything Jarmo says to think he's the best option right now. "Fire Jarmo, Fire Jarmo!" yeah yeah. I have zero confidence someone else available would do a better job.

 

[Viqsi]

Because he's not a very good GM.

Your logical fallacy is begging the question

You presented a circular argument in which the conclusion was included in the premise.

yourlogicalfallacyis.com

 

[Crede777]

To play in the NHL you need guys who can play now.
Jarmo has had 9 seasons - it's not like he traded many of his past #1s (just Duchene trade) and all you have to count on is the past years draft as your hope?

I get it I was a CBJ fanboy and bought everything Doug Mc saif for about 3 years. At some point reality set in that the team wasn't very good and neither was the GM.

It's not like the team was essentially forced into this rebuild by Jarmo's actions. They were forced into it by the actions of Panarin, PLD, and Jones who made their own individual choices.

Jarmo has shown himself capable of identifying and acquiring talent. At some point, it comes down to the assembled players to choose to stay.

 

[anotherlurker]

When watching other GM's Jarmo seems to be doing quite ok to me.

Larsen hiring could be seen as a plot to tank while pretending not to. He was a "new" coach, not really an established one who competing teams would fight over. The results of Larsen experiment should be examined next year, can he make his team play winning hockey. Or do Columbus fire him during or after the season. To me the only thing that should get Jarmo fired is if Larsen hockey doesn't work and he still continues. Coaches are there to take the blame. If Columbus had hired someone more established and stayed as a bubble team, would you be happier?

A lot of you criticize that he hasn't addressed the issues of C and D, but to me it really seems he has, but with the draft. Again it comes to the same question: if D and C would have been batched up this summer and Columbus would have been a bubble team, would you be happier?

I feel like many of you, it all comes down to next 2 years. What happens will decide Jarmo's future.

What I'm really worried about is Jarmo's people skills. I don't really remember a lot of stories but here's two. Telling publicly that Bobrovsky could use a shrink is one of the most disrespecting things someone could do. That alone should get you fired if I were his supervisor. The other thing I think is hearsay so tell me if I'm wrong, but he seems to hardball players when negotiating contracts. Read somewhere that Gavrikov for example didn't like him downplaying his abilities. The thing is that isn't Jarmo negotiating with the players agents, and the agents job is to take that bull and throw some back, while the player is happily ignorant and just waiting for best results.

 

[Monk]

What I'm really worried about is Jarmo's people skills. I don't really remember a lot of stories but here's two. Telling publicly that Bobrovsky could use a shrink is one of the most disrespecting things someone could do. That alone should get you fired if I were his supervisor.

On the flip side, I think professional athletes regularly seeing sports psychologists should be the norm. The team should employ one if they don't already.

 

[stevo61]

On the flip side, I think professional athletes regularly seeing sports psychologists should be the norm. The team should employ one if they don't already.

Pretty sure it came out that Bob did have one. The issue was more Jarmo doing it in the media vs behind closed doors

 

[Monk]

Pretty sure it came out that Bob did have one. The issue was more Jarmo doing it in the media vs behind closed doors

Yeah I think it had less to do with the sports psychologist suggestion and more to do with the implication (inference?) that Bob was to blame more than anyone else on the team for the PO loss. I remember some "Hey I was good in that series" comments from Bob. I also can't remember if that was Jarmo or Torts or a nice little tag team. Might have to dig up the quotes again, I'm curious.

My point is just that suggesting an athlete see a sports psychologist shouldn't be perceived as a slight, though I also concede that a GM should know that it could/would be perceived that way generally.

 

[cbjthrowaway]

Pretty sure it came out that Bob did have one. The issue was more Jarmo doing it in the media vs behind closed doors

correct; it wasn't jarmo saying "we think he would benefit from this" – he was asked about bob's postseason struggles and his response was that bob was trying out a sports psychologist to work through it.

iirc the reason why bob got upset is because russia has way different perceptions of receiving mental health treatment (equating it to weakness). either way, the next postseason, bob played great.

Read somewhere that Gavrikov for example didn't like him downplaying his abilities. The thing is that isn't Jarmo negotiating with the players agents, and the agents job is to take that bull and throw some back, while the player is happily ignorant and just waiting for best results.

fwiw i'm pretty sure that jarmo isn't the one doing their contracts anymore. he may sign off on them at the end but i think they have flynn doing them now (as zito was before leaving for florida).

also, the gap in the gavrikov negotiations was term. gavrikov wanted a long-term deal, but the jackets don't ever do those. they've only given a handful of 7-year deals in the team's history (horton, atkinson, gaudreau) and only one of those was an extension. iirc they've never given out an 8-year deal, but had one on the table for dubois.

 

[MoeBartoli]

I want to clarify one point - a lot of posts here say Jarmo took swings at certain players for center or defense. While all good (that is what you are supposed to do as a GM), you have to land some or else its all effort with no results. In any job you have an annual review and you are graded on a standard set of items that are your job. The part of that standard is you have to win some to be a “meets” to achieve an exceeds you have to win in most items of being a GM.

I would say Jarmo is below a meets for me right now. Here are my reasons:

1. Ran back the same personnel and coaching other than adding Gubranson and Olivier, while not addressing Goals Against. This was his major point at then end of last season.

2. Rushed players to the NHL (i.e., Sillinger) and didn’t send him down when he was clearly struggling.

3. Signing Gudbranson (not blaming Gudbranson) but woof that was not good.

4. Managing the CAP and trading Bjorkstrand instead of another player.

5. Handling contracts (i.e., hammer) in a way that is very off putting to parties involved (i.e., Gavrikov). Then handing out contracts to others where is overpays on monies and/or term (Roslovic, Gubranson)

6. Messaging - he says publicly retool and slides into a rebuild. He says we are going to use the cap as a weapon (hint don’t say anything and explain when you do it). Saying Goals Against was a major concern and whether he meant to or not leading people to believe it would be addressed (not just draft) for the Team this season.

7. Questionable hires - Larsen and McCarthy.

I am not on the bandwagon to fire him yet and but this off-season is the major deciding factor for me whether we part ways with him or let him see the plan through.

I’m also not on the fire Jarmo bandwagon as I think the moves he has made in the retool/rebuild appear positive. Time will tell and determine his fate. But why I’m posting is to say I think your 7 points are on point.

 

[BB88]

To play in the NHL you need guys who can play now.
Jarmo has had 9 seasons - it's not like he traded many of his past #1s (just Duchene trade) and all you have to count on is the past years draft as your hope?

I get it I was a CBJ fanboy and bought everything Doug Mc saif for about 3 years. At some point reality set in that the team wasn't very good and neither was the GM.

So again what have they done so horrible wrong during their rebuild so far for you to have zero trust on them to get the job done?

 

[BB88]

100% agreed, but wanted to add – friedman said the jackets were making a 'big push' for kadri before the gaudreau thing happened. not saying this is 100% what happened but it kinda seems like they ended up having to choose gaudreau over kadri, which is – obviously! – the right choice.

there are also swings they have taken that were worth the try on talent alone (bean, roslovic) but haven't worked out simply because no GM bats 1.000 in this league.

they've also been connected to kirby dach (before he was moved to MTL), kevin hayes and evgeny kuznetsov at center, and obviously chychrun, romanov and mcdonagh at defense. funny enough, dach and romanov were both traded for the same pick (13th overall - one pick after mateychuk) in separate deals.

it's easy to say "they haven't addressed center or defense" but that's not 100% true. they've taken swings and pursued guys in the trade/free agent market who could address those positions. sometimes the cost just isn't worth it.

i much prefer the current trajectory to the 'what-if' one where they traded the mateychuk pick for romanov and overpaid kadri instead of signing gaudreau, even if the alternative would've checked the 'more important' boxes.

there are two ways to get a 1C in this league:
1. draft one at the top of the draft
2. stockpile assets for a godfather offer and hope one becomes available via trade

by holding off on making center moves (simply for the sake of checking a box) last summer, they're in a better position for both of those routes to getting a 1C.

My big expectation to thid offseason is that they set the defense longterm.

That they’ll add a quality top3/4 Dman to go along with Werenski& Jiricek.

If he’s not able to get that done it’s a strike against him.

When it comes to C a lot depends on the lottery, if they fail to land a top3 pick I’d give him untill next offseason to figure out the C longterm and give Johnson/Sillinger/Laine a bigger look and have a better feel of what you have there.

Not realistic really to figure out both in one offseason(unless they win the lottery).

So defense this summer, C next summer and contend in 2 years time

 

[Youngguns1380]

My big expectation to thid offseason is that they set the defense longterm.

That they’ll add a quality top3/4 Dman to go along with Werenski& Jiricek.

If he’s not able to get that done it’s a strike against him.

When it comes to C a lot depends on the lottery, if they fail to land a top3 pick I’d give him untill next offseason to figure out the C longterm and give Johnson/Sillinger/Laine a bigger look and have a better feel of what you have there.

Not realistic really to figure out both in one offseason(unless they win the lottery).

So defense this summer, C next summer and contend in 2 years time

While I respect your opinion, I cannot agree with your timeline on addressing the center position. Either have a plan, trade and communicate that or address that with the draft this year.

The defense was a problem he created and should have addressed last season. He had the answer in-house and only had to find a defensemen that played the 3 or 4. Instead he created 2 holes, with his negotiating skills on the Gavrikov deal. This is his second off-season that he will have to address and he needs to address both.

 

[squashmaple]

I don't think the org expected to be in a full rebuild as quickly as they ended up, even with losing Bob and Panarin in 2019. They'd built a solid playoff contender and had a stud center in PLD to go with one of the top defensive pairings in the league in Jones/Werenski. Everything collapsed quite abruptly, and most of that was out of Jarmo's control. I genuinely believe that they believed what they were saying when they labeled it a retool-not-a-rebuild in 2021, they've just failed at keeping it as such. Incompetence is always more likely than malice.

Jarmo certainly isn't blameless in the house of cards collapsing, but I do think he deserves at least the rest of his current contract to see this attempt through. His post-Covid drafts look strong so far, although it's much too early to say for sure. If we're still a bottom five team come summer 2025, then I say bon voyage on your next job. His worst move for me is hiring Larsen, but I guess the devil you know is better than a retread. There wasn't exactly a stack of genuine candidates (in other words, not Jalonen or Trotz, who were both 0.0000000000000% chance of being possible) I had any more faith in at the time of the hire.

Even the Gudbranson contract I can't call that truly devasating because in the grand scheme of league-wide "bad contracts," four million dollars just isn't that much. It wasn't the sole cause of the Bjorkstrand trade. They didn't believe that Gaudreau was interested in anything other than using us to drive up the price for Philly/NJ earlier in that day. The flat cap hurt nearly every team in the league and Seattle had played their cards perfectly to be in the position to take advantage of the environment. Again I ask: would you rather have attached a first to Nyquist or Voracek to keep Bjorkstrand and watch another fanbase gleefully hoping the CBJ pick wins Bedard for them? Even last summer I considered losing Bjorkstrand worth it to keep the first, and that's when I expected it to be 11-14OA.

 

[domi28]

So again what have they done so horrible wrong during their rebuild so far for you to have zero trust on them to get the job done?

Jarmo has made some really good trades but why does he get major credit for drafting guys like Johnson and Jiricek and signing Gaudreau? That's like giving credit to a GM for picking McKinnon or Matthews. More than 90% of the GMs in the league would be making the same moves so while I would absolutely give Jarmo credit for getting what he did for Jones he deserves zero credit for assembling a garbage on-ice product to get a high draft pick these past couple seasons. And saying wow look at the Gaudreau signing? A potato could have made that signing given how that all played out.

I'm not necessarily on the Jarmo must go at all costs team but if next seasons team is once again bottom 5 in the league it's time to move on. Drafting all these talented guys while sucking on the ice isn't going to do any good if Jarmo cannot show an ability to DEVELOP them which is something he hasn't shown in 10 years.

 

[BB88]

While I respect your opinion, I cannot agree with your timeline on addressing the center position. Either have a plan, trade and communicate that or address that with the draft this year.

The defense was a problem he created and should have addressed last season. He had the answer in-house and only had to find a defensemen that played the 3 or 4. Instead he created 2 holes, with his negotiating skills on the Gavrikov deal. This is his second off-season that he will have to address and he needs to address both.

No matter who they add next year they are not going to be contenders.
Year 4 and 5 are when they need to become legit.

Again I’ll say it, they are going through a rebuild and are in year 2.

The players they add have to make sense, no point in adding a player in desperate mode this early in the rebuild.

Johnson is a 20y rookie, if there’s ever time to see if you have a potential 1C in him it’s next year, when the team is still in development phase.
If they strike out on the draft it’s not an absolute must to get that 1C this summer via trade, it would be within the next 18 months time.
If an ideal player becomes available earlier great, but you don’t have to get it done this summer, again if they strike out on lottery.

Johnson looks like a legit future star and he should get a true shot next year, it’s the point of rebuild, to develop your young players and see what you have in them. Johnson becomes a 1C? Well damm great, you are going to save a ton of assets.

Do you know what Gavrikov wants and what he wanted?
They have still 1 hole to fill on that blueline.
A veteran top3/4, they have all the assets in the world to get it done.


So far by year 2 they have done a fantastic job by acquiring lot of picks and seemingly hit on multiple great picks, while also being able to add a true superstar under marker value.

 

[stevo61]

No matter who they add next year they are not going to be contenders.
Year 4 and 5 are when they need to become legit.

Again I’ll say it, they are going through a rebuild and are in year 2.

The players they add have to make sense, no point in adding a player in desperate mode this early in the rebuild.

Johnson is a 20y rookie, if there’s ever time to see if you have a potential 1C in him it’s next year, when the team is still is development phase.
If they strike out on the draft it’s not an absolute must to get that 1C this summer via trade, it would be within the next 18 months time.
If an ideal player becomes available earlier great, but you don’t have to get it done this summer, again if they strike out on lottery.

Johnson looks like a legit future star and he should get a true shot next year, it’s the point of rebuild, to develop your young players and see what you have in them. Johnson becomes a 1C? Well damm great, you are going to save a ton of assets.

Do you know what Gavrikov wants and what he wanted?
They have still 1 hole to fill on that blueline.
A veteran top3/4, they have all the assets in the World to get it done.


So far by year 2 they have done a fantastic job by acquiring lot of picks and seemingly hit on multiple great picks, while also being able to add a true superstar under marker value

Wasnt it reported Gavrikov wanted max term or atleast 7 years and Jarmo didnt want to commit to that?

 

[BB88]

Jarmo has made some really good trades but why does he get major credit for drafting guys like Johnson and Jiricek and signing Gaudreau? That's like giving credit to a GM for picking McKinnon or Matthews. More than 90% of the GMs in the league would be making the same moves so while I would absolutely give Jarmo credit for getting what he did for Jones he deserves zero credit for assembling a garbage on-ice product to get a high draft pick these past couple seasons. And saying wow look at the Gaudreau signing? A potato could have made that signing given how that all played out.

I'm not necessarily on the Jarmo must go at all costs team but if next seasons team is once again bottom 5 in the league it's time to move on. Drafting all these talented guys while sucking on the ice isn't going to do any good if Jarmo cannot show an ability to DEVELOP them which is something he hasn't shown in 10 years.

Neither Jiricek or Johnson were 1st overall picks and their own pick was 12th overall last summer, it was Chicagos pick that landed them Jiricek.

None of the other Eastern options were able to get Gaudreau done, so clearly Jarmo had done something right?

Werenski
PLD
Jones
Johansen
Jiricek
Johnson
Marchenko

Haven’t developed anyone well?

Wasnt it reported Gavrikov wanted max term or atleast 7 years and Jarmo didnt want to commit to that?

I haven’t seen any hard figures.

But saying Jarmo just messed up Gavrikov signing is based on pure quess work

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

Jarmo has made some really good trades but why does he get major credit for drafting guys like Johnson and Jiricek and signing Gaudreau? That's like giving credit to a GM for picking McKinnon or Matthews. More than 90% of the GMs in the league would be making the same moves so while I would absolutely give Jarmo credit for getting what he did for Jones he deserves zero credit for assembling a garbage on-ice product to get a high draft pick these past couple seasons. And saying wow look at the Gaudreau signing? A potato could have made that signing given how that all played out.

I'm not necessarily on the Jarmo must go at all costs team but if next seasons team is once again bottom 5 in the league it's time to move on. Drafting all these talented guys while sucking on the ice isn't going to do any good if Jarmo cannot show an ability to DEVELOP them which is something he hasn't shown in 10 years.

So might as well fire 90% of the GMs in the league.

 

[cbjthrowaway]

My big expectation to thid offseason is that they set the defense longterm.

That they’ll add a quality top3/4 Dman to go along with Werenski& Jiricek.

i wouldn't be surprised to see them add two veteran defensemen (my dream is a werenski-weegar, schmidt-jiricek top four) before taking a big swing for a center. i've loved seeing boqvist grow this season but think he'd be a really nice piece in a trade for a center.

just a thought, but if SJS moves karlsson this summer, they'd probably start listening on hertl, and would have a need for a PP1 RHD…

The defense was a problem he created and should have addressed last season.

i disagree with the notion that jarmo 'created' the problem on the back-end.

in terms of organizational depth (down to prospects), the jackets are definitely near the top in terms of pure talent: werenski, jiricek, mateychuk, boqvist, svozil, ceulemans and bean are all extremely talented, and they have more guys (peeke, blankenburg, berni) who look like, at minimum, surefire third pairing NHL defenders.

it's more an issue of experience, fit and injuries.

He had the answer in-house and only had to find a defensemen that played the 3 or 4. Instead he created 2 holes, with his negotiating skills on the Gavrikov deal.

vladislav gavrikov's camp had like six weeks to negotiate an extension with potential trade partners and didn't.

if the lack of a gavrikov extension here is evidence that jarmo is a bad negotiator, i guess every other GM in the league is bad at negotiating, too.

This is his second off-season that he will have to address and he needs to address both.

and last offseason they were pushing hard for nazem kadri before they got gaudreau. they were also in trade talks for alex romanov and kirby dach, but it would've cost the mateychuk pick.

would you rather have nazem kadri + alex romanov, or johnny gaudreau + denton mateychuk?

to me it's the latter by far – immediate positional needs be damned – an elite winger + potential first pair defenseman is far more valuable than an overpaid 2C and inconsistent 2nd pair defenseman.

 

[5th Line Fanatic]

Ok so forget about the previous 7 years. Got it...

The actions of the ownership (signed Jarmo to a 4 year deal), tells me he has 4 years to achieve the goals he presented to them. They had the opportunity focus on the previous 7 and let him go before the rebuild, they didn't. They chose to buy his vision for the rebuild. I fully expect ownership to give him all 4 years. If he meets the goals, they re-sign him, if he doesn't, they let him go.

No matter who they add next year they are not going to be contenders.
Year 4 and 5 are when they need to become legit.

Jarmo's window is 4 years. He won't get a fifth unless he's a contender (at least makes the playoffs) by year 4. I just can't imagine even this absentee ownership group giving an extension to a GM who missed the playoffs for 5 straight years and didn't achieve the goals he laid out.

 

[BB88]

The actions of the ownership (signed Jarmo to a 4 year deal), tells me he has 4 years to achieve the goals he presented to them. They had the opportunity focus on the previous 7 and let him go before the rebuild, they didn't. They chose to buy his vision for the rebuild. I fully expect ownership to give him all 4 years. If he meets the goals, they re-sign him, if he doesn't, they let him go.

Jarmo's window is 4 years. He won't get a fifth unless he's a contender (at least makes the playoffs) by year 4. I just can't imagine even this absentee ownership group giving an extension to a GM who missed the playoffs for 5 straight years and didn't achieve the goals he laid out.

I’d have it as next year as improvement, around 10th, year after playoffs& by year 5 contender.

Of course again a lot can change depending who they add

i wouldn't be surprised to see them add two veteran defensemen (my dream is a werenski-weegar, schmidt-jiricek top four) before taking a big swing for a center. i've loved seeing boqvist grow this season but think he'd be a really nice piece in a trade for a center.

just a thought, but if SJS moves karlsson this summer, they'd probably start listening on hertl, and would have a need for a PP1 RHD…


i disagree with the notion that jarmo 'created' the problem on the back-end.

in terms of organizational depth (down to prospects), the jackets are definitely near the top in terms of pure talent: werenski, jiricek, mateychuk, boqvist, svozil, ceulemans and bean are all extremely talented, and they have more guys (peeke, blankenburg, berni) who look like, at minimum, surefire third pairing NHL defenders.

it's more an issue of experience, fit and injuries.


vladislav gavrikov's camp had like six weeks to negotiate an extension with potential trade partners and didn't.

if the lack of a gavrikov extension here is evidence that jarmo is a bad negotiator, i guess every other GM in the league is bad at negotiating, too.


and last offseason they were pushing hard for nazem kadri before they got gaudreau. they were also in trade talks for alex romanov and kirby dach, but it would've cost the mateychuk pick.

would you rather have nazem kadri + alex romanov, or johnny gaudreau + denton mateychuk?

to me it's the latter by far – immediate positional needs be damned – an elite winger + potential first pair defenseman is far more valuable than an overpaid 2C and inconsistent 2nd pair defenseman.

Weegar definitely should be a strong candidate for who they to after and pick.

I just wish this draft will solve the C issue all alone so need to go and trade a massive amount of futures or go get a risky contract.

 

[majormajor]

So again what have they done so horrible wrong during their rebuild so far for you to have zero trust on them to get the job done?

It's going fine as far as rebuilds go. The trouble with Jarmo is that it doesn't seem like he was trying to do a deep rebuild, he just failed at building an improving team.

It looks like they were trying to win this year. He seemed to actually think Gudbranson was going to help. You don't talk that much about fixing our defense for this year and make that your big move unless you think it is a fix.

They've also gutted the team of guys who can win pucks and start possessions. It's all playmakers and snipers, no puck fetchers, no cycle game if teams aren't trading rushes. We were down to just Bjorkstrand, and the fact that Jarmo chose to trade him out of everyone (there were like twelve different players that could have covered the cap overage) tells me that he doesn't get it.

. Again I ask: would you rather have attached a first to Nyquist or Voracek to keep Bjorkstrand and watch another fanbase gleefully hoping the CBJ pick wins Bedard for them? Even last summer I considered losing Bjorkstrand worth it to keep the first, and that's when I expected it to be 11-14OA.

When you're 2 million over the cap you're not just deciding which $5m - $8m winger to move. There's more options than that.

Wasnt it reported Gavrikov wanted max term or atleast 7 years and Jarmo didnt want to commit to that?

I only heard that they weren't close on term. Was there any actual reporting saying 7 or 8 years? It could be that Gavi was looking for 5 or 6 and Jarmo only 3 or 4.

We don't have the facts, but there is a theme now of Jarmo not understanding what players are worth, so it might be a case of that.

 

[BB88]

It's going fine as far as rebuilds go. The trouble with Jarmo is that it doesn't seem like he was trying to do a deep rebuild, he just failed at building an improving team.

It looks like they were trying to win this year. He seemed to actually think Gudbranson was going to help. You don't talk that much about fixing our defense for this year and make that your big move unless you think it is a fix.

They've also gutted the team of guys who can win pucks and start possessions. It's all playmakers and snipers, no puck fetchers, no cycle game if teams aren't trading rushes. We were down to just Bjorkstrand, and the fact that Jarmo chose to trade him out of everyone (there were like twelve different players that could have covered the cap overage) tells me that he doesn't get it.



When you're 2 million over the cap you're not just deciding which $5m - $8m winger to move. There's more options than that.



I only heard that they weren't close on term. Was there any actual reporting saying 7 or 8 years? It could be that Gavi was looking for 5 or 6 and Jarmo only 3 or 4.

We don't have the facts, but there is a theme now of Jarmo not understanding what players are worth, so it might be a case of that.

I have a tough time believing they didn’t know what was about to happen.

They had had to trade PLD earlier in the season, they had to trade Jones.
Giving them 3 1st round picks for 2021 draft and 2 for 2022 draft. That had all the makings of a deep rebuild, rebuild via draft.

With just having lost their 1C& 1/2D I can’t see how they though they’d be legit this yeae, Gm’s always love to talk different to media than what they talk behind the doors.

There’s lot of work to be done but I think the start has been a really promising one, the next 18 months are crucial

 

[Youngguns1380]

i wouldn't be surprised to see them add two veteran defensemen (my dream is a werenski-weegar, schmidt-jiricek top four) before taking a big swing for a center. i've loved seeing boqvist grow this season but think he'd be a really nice piece in a trade for a center.

just a thought, but if SJS moves karlsson this summer, they'd probably start listening on hertl, and would have a need for a PP1 RHD…


i disagree with the notion that jarmo 'created' the problem on the back-end.

in terms of organizational depth (down to prospects), the jackets are definitely near the top in terms of pure talent: werenski, jiricek, mateychuk, boqvist, svozil, ceulemans and bean are all extremely talented, and they have more guys (peeke, blankenburg, berni) who look like, at minimum, surefire third pairing NHL defenders.

it's more an issue of experience, fit and injuries.


vladislav gavrikov's camp had like six weeks to negotiate an extension with potential trade partners and didn't.

if the lack of a gavrikov extension here is evidence that jarmo is a bad negotiator, i guess every other GM in the league is bad at negotiating, too.


and last offseason they were pushing hard for nazem kadri before they got gaudreau. they were also in trade talks for alex romanov and kirby dach, but it would've cost the mateychuk pick.

would you rather have nazem kadri + alex romanov, or johnny gaudreau + denton mateychuk?

to me it's the latter by far – immediate positional needs be damned – an elite winger + potential first pair defenseman is far more valuable than an overpaid 2C and inconsistent 2nd pair defenseman.

Wow we both have different views On Jarmo - you have your version and I have mine.