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I assumed they meant the guitar company. Although that trade would be with Nashville probably.
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ColumbusTrill
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Porty mentioned on his podcast that if Jarmo were to not be retained, Jeff Gorton could be a possible replacement with his NYR connection to JD. How would we feel about that?
KJ Dangler
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Whispers have begun… this thread is disjointed AF, I can’t even keep straight who’s arguing what . Bottom line is, Ownership brought JD back as soon as he was available , because the ship appeared to be rudderless. Jarmos record is, what it is … one playoff series victory in 10 yrs… His messaging of retooling was foolish. JD was brought back, and that messaging has changed, and rightfully so . You have a team spending to the cap, fielding the worst group of defenseman in the league (when healthy), and probably the weakest in the league down Center ice…
The defensive core has a super promising future based on the last couple drafts , Center ice is still pretty dismal . Having said that , you mean to tell me we couldn’t have went out and signed some Veteran journeyman type defenseman like Ryan Murray to bridge the gap, and let some of these young guys develop, without rushing them to the NHL ?
Also, can’t say I’m a huge fan of our defensive coach.. after the Covid vaccine fiasco, sure seems we didn’t try the address the situation by going out and getting an adequate replacement ..
Also, with witnessing Korpi, now Elvis go from once very promising goalies, to bottom of the league type goalies , how does Manny Legace keep his job ?
Jarmos seat is getting hot…
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Columbus Jack
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Pretty much agree with most everything written but honestly, Manny Legace as the goalie coach is a tire fire.
Have all our goalies gotten worse since he's come aboard?
Get Tarasov away from him
It's lukewarm at best. With the team being so young, with so many inexperienced players and so many injuries, I would imagine this year is being written off and while Jarmo and JD won't likely admit it, they know they aren't making the playoffs and probably aren't going to do much to correct the ship with a franchise changing draft with a possible franchise changing pick staring them in the face. I wouldn't be surprised if they've talked to ownership about it.
I'm not saying they're outright tanking but once those injuries and losses started piling up, I'm sure conversations were had about the direction of the team for the rest of the season.
And this is coming from someone who wanted us to go get Horvat and straighten the ship, but that ship has all but sailed. Another 5-10 losses in the next 10/15 games basically all but guarantees a top 5-8 pick without a miraculous run.
If we're 2nd to last this time next year, then I might start to agree.
Now Larsen, that might be a different story. However, I wouldn't be surprised if they decided to write this year off for Larsen too. But they will need someone to take the heat so, I expect him gone as soon as we are officially eliminated or as soon as the season ends, sometime before the draft.
And as far as the defensive coach, other coaches need to be available for us to actually go get someone better. Do we know who was available during that time frame? Because I would imagine it was quite a small list of not only guys who are available, but guys who want to come coach under Larsen in Columbus..
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If Jarmo goes then JD goes. We can talk about the “in between years” all we want but if the current group of young players and prospects isn’t good enough to save Jarmo’s job, then the guy who was his boss while it was assembled goes too.
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bumping this thread because of a comment in the tank thread comparing jarmo's last four years to howson's final four years here. the fan base seems to be turning a bit on jarmo, but i think a lot of that is kind of missing the point of where this team is right now.
imo you can break up jarmo's tenure into three distinct chapters.
1. taking over from howson (13-14 through 15-16)
2. competitive torts era (16-17 through 19-20)
3. rebuilding (20-21 - present) » YOU ARE HERE
the first chapter was defined by bad luck – the horton injury, the whole team getting injured in 14-15, the 0-8 start in 15-16 – but insofar as the transactions go, i think jarmo gets high marks.
the jones, saad and hartnell trades were big time wins. they got good value for wisniewski. the gaborik trade was the only really bad one. i'd also say the drafting was roughly average – they had some nice picks (werenski, bjorkstrand, elvis, nuti, gavrikov) and some whiffs (milano, carlsson, rychel, collins, bittner).
i do think this chapter would've turned out way better had horton's back not exploded. a jenner - dubinsky - horton line would've been a nightmare for other teams.
i'd give this chapter a B or a B- overall.
the second chapter is really the golden age of the CBJ franchise. four straight playoff appearances, and a 108-point season. some big time moves (panarin, duchene trades). some bad ones (VGK expansion; although that was a ripple from the horton injury). okay drafting, some nice value signings (robinson, kukan, gagner).
this one gets an A from me.
the third chapter wasn't supposed to be a full rebuild, as the plan was clearly to build around a core of PLD + jones + werenski. but PLD's trade request and public hissy fit threw a grenade onto those plans.
still, as far as rebuilds go, jarmo's done a great job of gathering assets. assuming they trade gavrikov and get a first, they'll have a three-year stretch with seven first round picks, five of which will be in the top 12. the werenski extension and gaudreau signing showed that columbus can attract (and retain) star players.
this one gets a B due to some missteps (larsen, gudbranson, elvis) but jarmo has hit the main objective of maximizing assets.
what's next? a fourth chapter, where the jackets identify and build around a new core thanks to the influx of assets during the rebuild. they'll have enough trade ammo this summer to swing some deals, and decisions to make about some young guys.
some franchises may prefer to hand the keys over to a new GM for that type of phase, but i think jarmo's earned the chance to see it through, especially if they can get a bedard/fantilli type to build around.
imo you can break up jarmo's tenure into three distinct chapters.
1. taking over from howson (13-14 through 15-16)
2. competitive torts era (16-17 through 19-20)
3. rebuilding (20-21 - present) » YOU ARE HERE
the first chapter was defined by bad luck – the horton injury, the whole team getting injured in 14-15, the 0-8 start in 15-16 – but insofar as the transactions go, i think jarmo gets high marks.
the jones, saad and hartnell trades were big time wins. they got good value for wisniewski. the gaborik trade was the only really bad one. i'd also say the drafting was roughly average – they had some nice picks (werenski, bjorkstrand, elvis, nuti, gavrikov) and some whiffs (milano, carlsson, rychel, collins, bittner).
i do think this chapter would've turned out way better had horton's back not exploded. a jenner - dubinsky - horton line would've been a nightmare for other teams.
i'd give this chapter a B or a B- overall.
the second chapter is really the golden age of the CBJ franchise. four straight playoff appearances, and a 108-point season. some big time moves (panarin, duchene trades). some bad ones (VGK expansion; although that was a ripple from the horton injury). okay drafting, some nice value signings (robinson, kukan, gagner).
this one gets an A from me.
the third chapter wasn't supposed to be a full rebuild, as the plan was clearly to build around a core of PLD + jones + werenski. but PLD's trade request and public hissy fit threw a grenade onto those plans.
still, as far as rebuilds go, jarmo's done a great job of gathering assets. assuming they trade gavrikov and get a first, they'll have a three-year stretch with seven first round picks, five of which will be in the top 12. the werenski extension and gaudreau signing showed that columbus can attract (and retain) star players.
this one gets a B due to some missteps (larsen, gudbranson, elvis) but jarmo has hit the main objective of maximizing assets.
what's next? a fourth chapter, where the jackets identify and build around a new core thanks to the influx of assets during the rebuild. they'll have enough trade ammo this summer to swing some deals, and decisions to make about some young guys.
some franchises may prefer to hand the keys over to a new GM for that type of phase, but i think jarmo's earned the chance to see it through, especially if they can get a bedard/fantilli type to build around.
I'd say that's a pretty accurate take on it. I really find it hard to believe his seat is getting hot yet. Another year or two like this one and we might be having a different conversation. I think if we do nothing on the defensive front this off-season it would be likely, but I don't see us sitting idly by this offseason without reshaping that D. Adding Jiricek and losing Gavrikov and doing nothing else would not give me much faith in our defensive ability next season.
koteka
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I have been trying to figure out why I want to clean house. I think it is because I have become suspicious of why we have Larsen. I think he is an awful coach because I don’t see a system or a plan. I am wondering if Jarmo, after dealing with Torts, decided to look for Jarmo-friendly coaches. People keep saying we have switched to a more “player-friendly” coaching staff, but maybe we have also switched a coaching staff that is more front office friendly.
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What does this mean? Are you saying Torts was anti-Jarmo? In what ways? How did that manifest? And how is Larsen different in those areas?
Asking simply for more information.
koteka
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Not anti Jarmo but probably difficult to deal with. They seemed to want to run different systems at the end and Jarmo did not seem to be going after Torts-style players. I’d say he might have been a big headache for Jarmo so he hired a coach that wouldn’t be a headache (other than he sucks and the team is awful). Larsen is a first time coach who probably does what he is told and doesn’t make waves.
Cowumbus
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That is because the bar to being considered a 1G is much lower than where it is for a 1D. Werenski no doubt has had a better NHL career. However, you can win a cup with a Crawford, Kuemper, Bennington; you do not need a Price/Vasilevski. Also, I’m not talking about Elvis
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After this year
No 1C, 1b D, No 1G.
If they don’t get a 1C in this draft, how is Jarmo ever going to get one? Should he be applauded if we get Bedard, even if it’s bc the team he built sucks?
How have our feelings changed regarding the Jones trade?
Jarmo is an average GM, but gets excused more than an OSU football player in history freshman class.
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Byrral
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I personally don't care about the unknown anymore. How much worse can the next person do while inheriting a bottomed out NHL team with some hopeful prospects and a few nice assets. I hope that JP has already been doing his homework and due diligence and that he has a plan B in place to move this team forward.
I continue to hope for a last place finish but even if this doesn't happen I would fire Jarmo and Larsen the minute the season ends. If JD doesn't want to do it he can go with them. It might be best just to incude him anyway and let the new person start from scratch.
This organization in general has been over rated outside a couple years with Panarin and Torts. But even in the playoff years Jarmo over estimated his team. The past few years have been miserable. Siren and his team have done well but our NHL scouts seem non existent and our NHL talent has not improved the past few years (Gaudreau doesn't count). Some of the contracts Jarmo and his team have given out, the roster moves, the development of our young players, the past player and coaching drama (the exodus), the terribly constructed team he is currently icing ("but injuries"), Sillinger, Bjorkstrand, etc.
The game sold out yesterday. How much longer do these loyal fans have to wait for something other than more empty promises of how close they are to being a competitive team. I think it's time.
I continue to hope for a last place finish but even if this doesn't happen I would fire Jarmo and Larsen the minute the season ends. If JD doesn't want to do it he can go with them. It might be best just to incude him anyway and let the new person start from scratch.
This organization in general has been over rated outside a couple years with Panarin and Torts. But even in the playoff years Jarmo over estimated his team. The past few years have been miserable. Siren and his team have done well but our NHL scouts seem non existent and our NHL talent has not improved the past few years (Gaudreau doesn't count). Some of the contracts Jarmo and his team have given out, the roster moves, the development of our young players, the past player and coaching drama (the exodus), the terribly constructed team he is currently icing ("but injuries"), Sillinger, Bjorkstrand, etc.
The game sold out yesterday. How much longer do these loyal fans have to wait for something other than more empty promises of how close they are to being a competitive team. I think it's time.
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Jones trade isn't as much of a win as it appeared at first but I would still rather have Boqvist, Sillinger, and Jiricek because of where we are in our "rebuild." Having Seth Jones here wouldn't make this team a playoff team.
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Toronto has gone 56 years since their last SC; Montreal close to 30. We could have a ways to go.
Both of those teams have resources out the wazoo and can't win. Toronto is currently loaded with top end offense but fades in the playoffs.
My sense is that it takes a bit of luck (St Louis winning the Cup, Montreal in the finals, etc.).
I'm not a Jarmo fan and wouldn't mind a change at all. Don't think that will provide instant success but the right guy would have a good start.
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Larsen should go, but I think he’ll get another year. His “new defensive system” failed miserably in the beginning of the year, but recently you can see just enough cohesion to think they either changed it to something more basic, or figured it out. Couple that with the injuries and he’ll get at least another partial year.
Personally, my pipe dream would be snagging Keefe after the Leafs fire him after yet another first round exit.
Personally, my pipe dream would be snagging Keefe after the Leafs fire him after yet another first round exit.
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I agree completely and still have faith the trade can prove a big win as Jiricek looks like he will be very good, Boquist has improved making health his biggest question mark and Sillinger was good enough last year to make me believe he can still be a long term NHL center, even if it’s in playing on a scoring third line. Fingers crossed
Cowumbus
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they got Allan too
Hopefully Jiricek turns out ok, I have higher hopes for him than the other two guys.
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Cowumbus
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He’s part of the deal. We gave up a first rounder in that trade as well, so it is not fair to leave him out.
CBJWerenski8
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He hasn’t played a game in the NHL yet. He’s a footnote right now. As is Jiricek
Cowumbus
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Could be KJ and Jiricek. We don't know. Uncertainty is normal with drafting.
By my definition there's only a few consistent 1Gs in the league, the rest is random, so I won't get into goalies.
Let's have a look at how the top 8 teams in the league got their 1Cs.
1. Boston - 2nd rounder
2. Carolina - 2nd rounder
3. New Jersey - 1stOA
4. Toronto - 1stOA
5. Tampa - 3rd rounder
6. NYR - traded for a 2C (that they got from us)
7. Vegas - traded for a package
8. Dallas - 2nd rounder
What do we do if we don't get a guaranteed star, everybody panic!!
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