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The Fall of Pierre

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bert said:
Muckler left him with nothing. Worst GM in sens history until Dorion.
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All he did was coach us to the Cup finals, hire the best coach in team history, maje the best line in Hockey and GM the team during its most successful run ever, and managed a year long lockout intended to hurt teams like Ottawa with abundant of talent. But most of all he gave the Sens confidence.

Anyways, not sure how fans measure success but if you think Mucker is the worst, then i want your worst
 
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Tuna99 said:
All he did was coach us to the Cup finals, hire the best coach in team history, maje the best line in Hockey and GM the team during its most successful run ever, and managed a year long lockout intended to hurt teams like Ottawa with abundant of talent. But most of all he gave the Sens confidence.

Anyways, not sure how fans measure success but if you think Mucker is the worst, then i want your worst
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John only did half of the job. The drafting under his tenure was the worst in franchise history. Muckler didn't build anything; he was brought in to tweak an already excellent roster with moves like Tyler Arneson. On top of that, he didn't have to deal with a meddling owner.

Calling him the worst is a stretch though.
 
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Tuna99 said:
Lost Spezza, Alfie, Heatley and pissed off Redden. 2 Failed trades, straw face collapse. Turned a juggernaut into a poo-naut, averaged 2 coach firings a year, the city came to hate the owner under his management and he left us with Pierre Dorion.

The white-man can make you laugh at a cocktail party days for me are over. You gotta do more then pretend to beat up Lindy Ruff - Bryan Murray was 90% performance and he had to be the center of attention, and 10% results.

Seemed great, was a fan of his coaching, hated his GMing
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Spezza came into the organization with way too much hype. He wasn't a franchise center but was judged and treated like one and that wasn't really fair to him. He was a good 1st line center but not elite. Ottawa biggest mistake was never acquiring a proven very good 2nd line center or another 1st line center during Spezzas prime years...so yeah that falls on the GM...but he didn't lose Spezza; Spezza lost him self by taking on too much and eventually cracking from all the pressure. Some guys just know how to lead and some simply don't have it and I feel Spezza was on of those guys. Its not a bad thing, at all, it becomes that when the player refuses to accept that..

Heatly wasn't lost, Heatly just wasn't suited for the new NHL and he was too one dimensional, yes he put up good goal totals for a couple seasons in SJ but he was a player on a decline with who if he didn't score didn't really do much else.

Redden should have never been kept over Chara and I think Murray publicly stated how baffled he was by that move. IMO and that is just my opinion I feel Redden to be one of the most over rated Sens players ever when it comes to our drafted players in the top 3. He put up numbers but he never was game changer, then again that whole 1995 draft was nothing to brag about. I mean Chara became the captain of a original 6 team and won a cup. Redden declined every year and became heavily overpaid.

The whole Alfie fiasco is rather something I'd like to forget. What was Murrays involvement in the team at that time ? Didn't he get diagnosed with cancer in 2014 ?

Yes, agreed he made some good and bad moves but he is still the only coach/gm to take the team to the finals....

Murray didn't turn a juggernaut into a poo-naut...one early playoff exit after another when the team was actually considered to be a cup favorite did
 
Everyone seems to forget that most of the fanbase agreed that it was time for Spezza to go. The Sens were trying to build an identity of work ethic and responsible play, and their captain making no-look drop passes to no one wasn't going to jive with the team philosophy.

Let's not rewrite history. The relationship between Ottawa and Spezza was over.
 
Tuna99 said:
All he did was coach us to the Cup finals, hire the best coach in team history, maje the best line in Hockey and GM the team during its most successful run ever, and managed a year long lockout intended to hurt teams like Ottawa with abundant of talent. But most of all he gave the Sens confidence.

Anyways, not sure how fans measure success but if you think Mucker is the worst, then i want your worst
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He didn't put a single player on that team. Not one. He took it over from Marshall Johnston.

He did trade Havlat for pressing, trade Hossa and let Chara walk over Redden. He did not draft well at all for his entire tenure.

He did hire Bryan Murray though. Who was his right successor.
 
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Oscar The Grouch said:
Everyone seems to forget that most of the fanbase agreed that it was time for Spezza to go. The Sens were trying to build an identity of work ethic and responsible play, and their captain making no-look drop passes to no one wasn't going to jive with the team philosophy.

Let's not rewrite history. The relationship between Ottawa and Spezza was over.
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An identity of work ethic and responsible plays under MacLean? Now who's rewriting history...
 
Oscar The Grouch said:
Everyone seems to forget that most of the fanbase agreed that it was time for Spezza to go. The Sens were trying to build an identity of work ethic and responsible play, and their captain making no-look drop passes to no one wasn't going to jive with the team philosophy.

Let's not rewrite history. The relationship between Ottawa and Spezza was over.
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The words "build an identity of work ethic and responsible play" were used as cover for reducing salary costs.
 
The summer of Pierre was overrated. He had made one acquisition in Debrincat. Giroux was coming here. And he gave away Conner Brown for nothing. And you know what? No one said a word when Connor got shipped out. Because apparently we have no respect for these types of players. Would be great if Ottawa was ever actually loyal to annyone.

Boro makes a vid with Melnyk and gets shipped. DeMelo is director in our Christmas videos and is given away. King Karl... Even Alfie had to play somewhere else in his final season. F*ckin Stone is captain of Vegas now. How is JPG not retiring here? Wtf is that? The Honey Badger. Wtf?
 
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Dorion will end up with the Rangers after this. Doland is bonkers and old PD loves that stuff. Lol
 
Dorion should be an inspiration to us all.

Imagine being so bad at your job and still being able to hold down 1 of 32 cutthroat jobs in the world for almost a decade.
 
aragorn said:
Simmer keeps pushing for that GM job he knows will someday be available.
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He's actually not intelligent. Just a washed up former executive that was never good at his job and never should have gotten the roles he has in the past. I think it would be the worst disaster in our history if he was the GM.
 
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UglyPuckling said:
Keeping an eye on the cap is not popular amongst some. It's too restrictive and the amount of narratives & simple solutions would be reduced.

Who said "no math" or is this just tongue & cheek?
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oh stop it

They could fit in the cap this year if you ship out Zaitsev. Most likely for two 2nds.

Time of the GM to actually do his job
 
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