Speculation: The Athletic-“So, it’s easy to imagine a scenario in which the Ducks move on from Zegras..."

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Zegras and Caufield are flawed players in the sense that they are not good defensively. Caudield is a winger and lately he has made some small improvement in playing defense. For Caufield it's not a big problem because we have Suzuki and Slaf who were very good defensively. Zegras is a center who is awful defensively. Who is going to covered for him when he get to the Habs. The Ducks asked him to play well in defense and his production has drop off significantly. I am not willing to give the Ducks 3 1st round pick including our 1st this year which is going to be top 10 for Zegras. That is a way way overpayment.

I think zegras defensively is very overly exaggerated, because he’s been caught sleeping a couple times.

not saying he’ll wins selke, but I think he’s better and will be better than people give him credit for

I 100% agree with the sentiment that Zegras is probably not actually being shopped, and that him not being a fit with ANA or whatever is probably way overblown. If I was ANA, I would keep him, 100%.

However, just for the sake of discussion, if they were to move on from Zegras, one idea that I came up with that might be interesting (no promises) is a deal like this, with FLA:

To FLA: Zegras
To ANA: Lundell, Rodrigues, Sawchyn

No picks involved (FLA has very few to offer), but I think Lundell as an asset is valuable enough for this package to possibly work for ANA. The idea is that if ANA really isn't comfortable with Zegras' (probably overblown) defensive deficiencies, they instead get a young C who specializes as a 2 way all-situations player, and add a good prospect as well. Lundell moves into a bigger role, and perhaps breaks out to his offensive potential. This also covers them in case Gauthier pans out as a winger, or they could run probably one of the best C cores in the league within a few years with McTavish-Gauthier-Lundell.

For FLA, they take a minor gamble on a young player who could destroy the value of his AAV on the right team, with the right players around him. Lundell has always been an awkward fit (maybe?) since he is very much a Barkov-light, and so swapping him with Zegras provides more balance (high-end offense to pair with high-end 2 way play). Dealing Rodrigues should be enough to cover Zegras' AAV, and he is cost controlled for 2 more seasons. They have the option to place him as a 2C (Barkov-Zegras-Bennett would also be one of the top C units in the league, right now), or as a 1LW with Barkov, freeing up Verhaghe to pair with Bennett/Tkachuk. The options are many.

Again, not at all implying that either team should do this, but for discussion, how far off for either side does this look?

I think it’s prob pretty solid offer…. Idk if I’d do it…. But like you said I thjnk zegras healthy and with right team can explode offensively

 

[ole ole]

I lurk on a lot of other teams forums, I openly consider myself a hockey fan before a ducks fan, so yes I frequent and even enjoy reading other teams forums.

Why don’t you talk about the 7 point exaggerations and why habs fans would want a 7 point player to discuss as much as they do

Exaggeration? Please inform us on how many pts he has this season.

 

[ole ole]

Zegras and Caufield are flawed players in the sense that they are not good defensively. Caudield is a winger and lately he has made some small improvement in playing defense. For Caufield it's not a big problem because we have Suzuki and Slaf who were very good defensively. Zegras is a center who is awful defensively. Who is going to covered for him when he get to the Habs. The Ducks asked him to play well in defense and his production has drop off significantly. I am not willing to give the Ducks 3 1st round pick including our 1st this year which is going to be top 10 for Zegras. That is a way way overpayment.

Overpayment doesn't quite describe it. Ridiculous fits it better.

I 100% agree with the sentiment that Zegras is probably not actually being shopped, and that him not being a fit with ANA or whatever is probably way overblown. If I was ANA, I would keep him, 100%.

However, just for the sake of discussion, if they were to move on from Zegras, one idea that I came up with that might be interesting (no promises) is a deal like this, with FLA:

To FLA: Zegras
To ANA: Lundell, Rodrigues, Sawchyn

No picks involved (FLA has very few to offer), but I think Lundell as an asset is valuable enough for this package to possibly work for ANA. The idea is that if ANA really isn't comfortable with Zegras' (probably overblown) defensive deficiencies, they instead get a young C who specializes as a 2 way all-situations player, and add a good prospect as well. Lundell moves into a bigger role, and perhaps breaks out to his offensive potential. This also covers them in case Gauthier pans out as a winger, or they could run probably one of the best C cores in the league within a few years with McTavish-Gauthier-Lundell.

For FLA, they take a minor gamble on a young player who could destroy the value of his AAV on the right team, with the right players around him. Lundell has always been an awkward fit (maybe?) since he is very much a Barkov-light, and so swapping him with Zegras provides more balance (high-end offense to pair with high-end 2 way play). Dealing Rodrigues should be enough to cover Zegras' AAV, and he is cost controlled for 2 more seasons. They have the option to place him as a 2C (Barkov-Zegras-Bennett would also be one of the top C units in the league, right now), or as a 1LW with Barkov, freeing up Verhaghe to pair with Bennett/Tkachuk. The options are many.

Again, not at all implying that either team should do this, but for discussion, how far off for either side does this look?

Great . Deal. Done. Now shut er done so we can't stop seeing the ridiculous offers of 3 x1st for him.

 

[MMC]

Why do so many random fans of other teams want Zegras to be available so damn bad lmao

 

[ole ole]

Why do so many random fans of other teams want Zegras to be available so damn bad lmao

I think many fans of other teams would take the chance if the price was in their favor. Duck fans would rather keep him which is fair.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Why do so many random fans of other teams want Zegras to be available so damn bad lmao

Because they want him, including me. As a 20 year old who had back to back 60 point seasons on a bad team don't grow on trees.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Because they want him, including me. As a 20 year old who had back to back 60 point seasons on a bad team don't grow on trees.

No they want him as a 7 point player lol as a “reclamation project” and ignore any rational context

 

[The Crypto Guy]

No they want him as a 7 point player lol as a “reclamation project” and ignore any rational context

Yea, lets just ignore his NHL history previous to this season. Because young players have never had a down year. And even more LOL to care about a 20 game sample size and call it a "reclamation project".

- edit sorry mis-read you are in agreement with me lol.

 

[ole ole]

Yea, lets just ignore his NHL history previous to this season. Because young players have never had a down year.

Ya and short players are also useless. Tit for tat.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Exaggeration? Please inform us on how many pts he has this season.

Okay he’s a 7 point player than why are you still investing time and energy in posting in a thread about a 7 point player

Ya and short players are also useless. Tit for tat.

I’ve never commented on caufields size…. Personally I think he’s a good top 6 sniper. And has 40 goal upside.

I don’t think Pv would be interested in him, pv hasn’t really showed a ton of interest in players under 6’0. and I think gauthier ultimately fills in the need we have for goal scoring.

 

[ole ole]

Okay he’s a 7 point player than why are you still investing time and energy in posting in a thread about a 7 point player

I was replying back to the player who said he wouldn't trade Zegras for Caufield because he's to short. Sorry you got all butthurt about it.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Exaggeration? Please inform us on how many pts he has this season.

Are you really basing your whole argument over a 20 game sample size?

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

I was replying back to the player who said he wouldn't trade Zegras for Caufield because he's to short. Sorry you got all butthurt about it.

No one’s butt hurt about anything…. We’re discussing on a discussion forum.

There’s plenty of other reasons why we wouldn’t trade zegras for caufield, but size would prob be an issue for pv

Do you actually want to have discussion or do you want to cry about something that is based off fact… caufield is short

 

[ole ole]

Are you really basing your whole argument over a 20 game sample size?

Some are basing their whole argument over a few inches in height.

 

[Frank Drebin]

Why do so many random fans of other teams want Zegras to be available so damn bad lmao

You can keep him for all I'm concerned

 

[LuGBuG]

yes but not for 3 first round picks including a top 10 one.... even Ducks fans would know thats an overpayment

and theres alot of players that are much better then Z hes a very flashy player and has a high offensive ceilling but hes also horrible defensively and soft

I would be interested in trading for Zegras i know our management knows him very well but hes not worth all of that

Agreed it’s an overpayment but he is in fact not horrible defensively and also does not play soft.

 

[dracom]

never has a 7 point player garnered so much attention and interest lol

 

[McDonald19]

Caufield signed a long term deal unlike Zegras. Zegras bridge contract is a bad look. Being voted most overrated player by his peers doesn't look good either. He will probably stay in Anaheim I agree but your GM doesn't seem totally sold on him as some Ducks fans here.

Or the GM just likes bridge contracts? It wasn’t the right time to go 8 years with Z or Drysdale.

and theres alot of players that are much better then Z hes a very flashy player and has a high offensive ceilling but hes also horrible defensively and soft

Not sure where the soft thing came from. If you mean he is skinny, then yes he needs to put on more muscle. If you mean he is scared of contact, that is completely false.

 

[Qwijibo]

He's an interesting player but not at the cost it would take to aquire him. So rather than putting out an insulting offer that the Ducks would never accept I'll say I wouldn't want my team to trade for him

 

[The Crypto Guy]

never has a 7 point player garnered so much attention and interest lol

What about before his last 20 games?

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

You can keep him for all I'm concerned

that’s what all of the duck fans have been saying from the start but unfortunately Montreal fans went to fantasize

 

[The Crypto Guy]

that’s what all of the duck fans have been saying from the start but unfortunately Montreal fans went to fantasize

To be fair, as a Rangers fan i am fantasizing as well

 

[Baaaaaaaaaaaaah]

Ya'll are crazy. Most, if not all, 22 year-olds are bad in the D zone. This kid is a winner.

Outside of the 23 draft, I would drop a top 10 pick (plus some) all day long on Zegras.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

To be fair, as a Rangers fan i am fantasizing as well

At least ranger fans in my experience, try to give a fair value ... and not try to trade for him as a 7 point player lol

Ya'll are crazy. Most, if not all, 22 year-olds are bad in the D zone. This kid is a winner.

Outside of the 23 draft, I would drop a top 10 pick (plus some) all day long on Zegras.

I think hes a pretty underrated leader and team player, seems well liked in the locker room/and the arena as a whole.

 

[viceroy]

At least ranger fans in my experience, try to give a fair value ... and not try to trade for him as a 7 point player lol

Ever heard of bernmeister?