Rumor: The All Encompassing Trevor Zegras Thread

[le_sean]

You're better than this.

Exactly, you have nothing to say. I get being afraid of it turning out like Drouin, but they are not the same player just because they are skilled.

If the Habs, with their terrible offence, have a shot at getting a young player with this much skill and promise, they need to take a chance. They have the coach in place that seems to have a knack at developing forwards. They have an abundance of defenders and picks. Plus the added bonus of having his best friend to better acclimate him.

 

[MXD]

Exactly, you have nothing to say.

Because your post wasn't worth my time.
But, hey, if you give it a go again, this time while considering the whole picture and not penalize a player for actually accomplishing something, it may be.

 

[McGees]

Is this the PLD anonymous forum?

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

I would trade the habs 1st round pick if Celebrini/Eiserman/Lindstrom/Demidov are not there when the habs pick

 

[Vachon23]

No one was also spoonfed the easy minutes and zone starts like he was.

Caufield is not getting hard minutes either

 

[TheBuriedHab]

Seems doubtful that we would do that or that another team is offering an equivalent pick/prospect.

Really? I get the vibe that they aren't too crazy about drafting 6th-10th and waiting 2-3 years for that prospect to have meaningful impact.

 

[teamfirst]

The way our prospect pool is shaped it would be logical to trade one of our young promising D for a young promising F, of course it all depends on the cost

 

[Adam Michaels]

He's produced... to a clip no better than what we have now... despite being spoonfed ridiculously easy minutes WITH, comparatively speaking, good teammates.

So what if he produced at a clip no better to what we have now? The whole point here is to add to what we have now. The Canadiens need more offense.

You're minimizing his game. You're stuck with these O-zone starts and now you say he played with good teammates. Let me ask you, those good teammates, they didn't benefit playing with Zegras? He only benefitted from them and not the other way around?

 

[le_sean]

Because your post wasn't worth my time.
But, hey, if you give it a go again, this time while considering the whole picture and not penalize a player for actually accomplishing something, it may be.

Another way of saying “yeah you were right and I have nothing to say to that”

Your only argument is “spoonfed minutes” (ie has no one to play with) and “takes penalties”

Funny how we don’t say spoonfed minutes about Suzuki who plays 3-4 more minutes per game. Or Cole who plays similar minutes and almost the full 2 mins on each PP.

 

[MXD]

Caufield is not getting hard minutes either

They're comparatively easier (Zegras' minutes)

Besides, we've already used assets on Caufield, and I'd rather have one player that have to be sheltered than two.

 

[HabsForHire]

In a recent players poll he was voted most overrated player.

just goes to show how dumb internet hockey "experts" can be

 

[MXD]

Caufield is not getting hard minutes either

They're comparatively harder than Zegras.

Also, that's something of a good argument for NOT getting Zegras regardless. We have one player that's probably best sheltered (though Caufield isn't a PIM magnet), let's not add one more.

In a recent players poll he was voted most overrated player.

I mean, one way to not overrate a player is to use brain when rating him.

So what if he produced at a clip no better to what we have now? The whole point here is to add to what we have now. The Canadiens need more offense.

You're minimizing his game. You're stuck with these O-zone starts and now you say he played with good teammates. Let me ask you, those good teammates, they didn't benefit playing with Zegras? He only benefitted from them and not the other way around?

I'd absolutely trade for Troy Terry and Mason McTavish. Not Zegras. I mean, yes I'd trade for him, just not for the assets Verbeek could fetch for him. There is a reason why it's him, and not Terry or McTavish, that's apparently available.

And even then, Terry doesn't quite have ideal size

 

[HabsForHire]

I don’t see this actually happening, but it would be a pleasant surprise if it did. We’ve already seen his offensive capabilities, but maybe MSL can unlock something greater.

One thing is for sure, we haven’t had an exciting forward since Kovalev. I’d love to see the Bell Centre reaction if Zegras pulls a Michigan.

I'd say it's more likely to happen than not..makes too much sense

 

[le_sean]

So what if he produced at a clip no better to what we have now? The whole point here is to add to what we have now. The Canadiens need more offense.

You're minimizing his game. You're stuck with these O-zone starts and now you say he played with good teammates. Let me ask you, those good teammates, they didn't benefit playing with Zegras? He only benefitted from them and not the other way around?

He only produces because he’s given minutes and offensive zone starts. Yeah great, we have an entire team that can’t produce when given minutes and offensive zone starts.

 

[Sterling Archer]

In a recent players poll he was voted most overrated player.

Also voted one of the most disliked players. Part and parcel I guess.

 

[Sorinth]

Really? I get the vibe that they aren't too crazy about drafting 6th-10th and waiting 2-3 years for that prospect to have meaningful impact.

They no doubt would like to add a young NHLer but I don't think they are looking to deal our first round pick to do that.

 

[le_sean]

In a recent players poll he was voted most overrated player.

Matthew Tkachuk and Jason Robertson were tied for 3rd on that poll.

Newsflash: NHL players are f***ing stupid

 

[Goalfield13]

People keep pointing to the player poll that says this player is overrated... and that may be true, but he is getting massively underrated now.

Looking at the Anaheim boards, it looks like their rebuild is going through a reset. That org is a mess. They may see Zegras as a player that doesn't fit their vision that they can afford to trade, but they won't do it for peanuts.

I think it would be a mistake for them to trade him. I also think it would be a mistake for us not to try to get him with our plethora of picks and prospects. Who in the 5-10 range of this draft do you think will honestly be better than him?

 

[rik schau]

Why are many against him? he looks like another Patrick Kane on the ice,but bigger.

 

[MXD]

Why are many against him? he looks like another Patrick Kane on the ice,but bigger.

Speaking of overrated...

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

He's produced... to a clip no better than what we have now... despite being spoonfed ridiculously easy minutes WITH, comparatively speaking, good teammates.

And it's not that Zegras is bad or anything. If he were to cost a 2nd rounder, then of course I'd have no issue with the move.

But it seems very obvious this team needs more size on F. Zegras does nothing to this, and we'd end up giving a lot for a player who would be a 2nd liner and who comes with huge risks (way, way, way too much penalties for a guy who sheltered)

Then again, I really don't care about flashy things.

Zegras has played on a team with crap players his entire NHL tenure. He has first line minutes like Suzuki and outside of Terry garbage to mediocre forwards. Very similar situation to Suzuki and both have produced at a 60 pt clip. 2nd line is irrelevant. With Dach and Nehook on the line it would be a 1a and 1b situation. Adding size would be nice but they might able to do that at the draft or through UFA. Dubois has size but I doubt he plays any bigger than Zegras. Of course Zegras would only be of interest if the price was right.

 

[dcyhabs]

On the one hand this thread probably overvalues some of the upcoming prospects. Top 10 upcoming picks always look better than existing players.

On the other hand it looks like the Ducks have been planning to shop Zegras long term. They gave him lots of ice time and offensive starts. He scored pretty well, but he has the worst +/- on the team in spite of starting in the other team's zone. I understand the issues with +/- but in this case it points to weak D.

I suspect there is a similarity with Drouin, where bridges were burnt with the team and he was given offensive minutes to pump his value for trade. Smart teams will showcase a player as opposed to our previous regime when a coach would be allowed to refuse to play someone and make it clear that the GM had to take whatever he was offered to get the guy out.

I'm not totally against picking up Zegras, but he seems to be exactly what the team doesn't need. I expect Hughes will do a much better job than I can of figuring how Zegras would do with the habs in a different role, but I'd expect to get less offense and better D. His age would fit the rebuild, but I'm not sure we need another smallish lowish D forward. TSN and some of the more clueless pundits seem to think he should go to Montreal, good thing Bergevin isn't around to offer whatever they want.

Scouting reports show "elite two way forward" so maybe my interpretation is way off. I expect that there will be a bidding war, we'll see what the Ducks want.

And he's out for 6-8 weeks.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Speaking of overrated...

And yet he has one how many Cups on a team where he was easily the most important forward.

 

[Shutdown]

Speaking of overrated...

a top 10 winger in the league for 5-7 years is overrated? come on

 

[MXD]

And yet he has one how many Cups on a team where he was easily the most important forward.

... I think either you completely misunderstood my post OR I completely missed your sarcasm.

a top 10 winger in the league for 5-7 years is overrated? come on

...Oh geez...
Zegras is being overrated when compared to Kane, NOT Kane is overrated!!!!