Rumor: The All Encompassing Trevor Zegras Thread

[Guy Larose]

In a recent players poll he was voted most overrated player.

In the same poll last year or the one before, Caufield was voted as the most overrated, so....

 

[Ozmodiar]

if it’s buy low - injury, defensive shortcomings, strained relationship.

Talent is hard to acquire.

They should kick the tires to find the price, compare that to where it will take them on the draft board, how both options affect their timeline (accelerated rebuild or take the pick?).

Maybe a similar package (WPG pick, prospect, mid round pick) could land a top 15 pick where they could take a guy like iginla.

 

[26Mats]

if it’s buy low - injury, defensive shortcomings, strained relationship.

Talent is hard to acquire.

They should kick the tires to find the price, compare that to where it will take them on the draft board, how both options affect their timeline (accelerated rebuild or take the pick?).

Maybe a similar package (WPG pick, prospect, mid round pick) could land a top 15 pick where they could take a guy like iginla.

It's going to be interesting to see where Iginla goes in the 1st round.

 

[Andy]

Zegras Suzuki Slaf
Caufield Dach Newhook


I don't the Habs would have had a top 6 with that much offensive talent in like 30 years.

 

[26Mats]

Zegras Suzuki Slaf
Caufield Dach Newhook


I don't the Habs would have had a top 6 with that much offensive talent in like 30 years.

So what do you give up to get Zegras?

 

[Andy]

So what do you give up to get Zegras?

I would be comfortable moving WPG's first and a second round pick.

As for players, I don't know what the ducks would need, nhl bodies? more prospects? It's hard to say.

The habs are very thin on nhl quality forwards. Heck they are thin even at the prospect level. Mesar, Farrell...are they even desirable?

On D, Harris, Barron, Kovacevic is all fair game for me. If they want Xhekaj or Mailloux, I am not including picks. I don't follow Mailloux enough to know if it would bite the habs in the ass. But if Logan is only topping out as a number 4 or 5 PP specialist, I'd move him.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Voted no but if we can get him cheap (the third option on the poll) then I wouldn't be too upset.

Definitely don't pay a premium though and honestly, I'd rather we just keep doing what we're doing. Go draft another top six and continue the rebuild.

If we trade our first this year I'll lose my shit.

 

[LaP]

Drouin's last season in Tampa is actually, on a purely offense perspective, very similar to Zegras' two good seasons so far, considering the changes in scoring environment from 2017 to 2021, and is even a tad better on a per-game perspective.

AND Drouin had proven he could perform in the playoffs.

AND Drouin wasn't an absolute penalty magnet.

Two seasons > one season

Also Drouin was 21 and Zegras was 20 in his first 60 points season.

Drouin also had 26 points on the PP playing on the 1st PP unit with guys like Kucherov and Hedman while Zegras had 17 points on the PP in both season.

 

[Ezpz]

I'd be willing to pay Winnipeg first, Barron, Mesar, and something small for Zegras and a prospect swap or something. Anaheim lack true natural RD in their system. Helleson is a bust at this point so they really only have Luneau. I'd probably be willing to do Mailloux instead if we can pry something useful on top of Zegras. I'd also expect to toss some salary back.

Slaf's chemistry growing with Nick makes me more confident in trading for Zegras. Slaf-Nick-whoever and Zegras-Dach-Cole is a good top six. Our bottom six still needs work. To me Mesar is a nothing piece, the exact type of player who doesn't translate into the NHL. After his ridiculous start in the OHL he's regressed quite a bit and Beck has passed him in points per game while having the upside of a third line center. We're at a point where a lot of our prospects are going to decrease in value because they don't have a spot in the NHL. Farrell for example has had a good rookie season but is already 22 with Roy and Heinemen being younger and ahead of him. Guys who don't have bottom six projectable skills become trade assets with this top six.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Voted no but if we can get him cheap (the third option on the poll) then I wouldn't be too upset.

Definitely don't pay a premium though and honestly, I'd rather we just keep doing what we're doing. Go draft another top six and continue the rebuild.

If we trade our first this year I'll lose my shit.

Agreed. Pay a fair price but that should not involve the Habs 2024 1st.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

I'd be willing to pay Winnipeg first, Barron, Mesar, and something small for Zegras and a prospect swap or something. Anaheim lack true natural RD in their system. Helleson is a bust at this point so they really only have Luneau. I'd probably be willing to do Mailloux instead if we can pry something useful on top of Zegras. I'd also expect to toss some salary back.

Slaf's chemistry growing with Nick makes me more confident in trading for Zegras. Slaf-Nick-whoever and Zegras-Dach-Cole is a good top six. Our bottom six still needs work. To me Mesar is a nothing piece, the exact type of player who doesn't translate into the NHL. After his ridiculous start in the OHL he's regressed quite a bit and Beck has passed him in points per game while having the upside of a third line center. We're at a point where a lot of our prospects are going to decrease in value because they don't have a spot in the NHL. Farrell for example has had a good rookie season but is already 22 with Roy and Heinemen being younger and ahead of him. Guys who don't have bottom six projectable skills become trade assets with this top six.

Mesar has not regressed. He seems to be the best player on Kitchener most games.

 

[26Mats]

I would be comfortable moving WPG's first and a second round pick.

As for players, I don't know what the ducks would need, nhl bodies? more prospects? It's hard to say.

The habs are very thin on nhl quality forwards. Heck they are thin even at the prospect level. Mesar, Farrell...are they even desirable?

On D, Harris, Barron, Kovacevic is all fair game for me. If they want Xhekaj or Mailloux, I am not including picks. I don't follow Mailloux enough to know if it would bite the habs in the ass. But if Logan is only topping out as a number 4 or 5 PP specialist, I'd move him.

I'm ok with giving up Xhekaj in a Zegras deal. I don't think I'd give up Guhle. Hutson and Mailloux I'm on the fence about. I'd have to know more about Zegras.

 

[Tyson]

In the same poll last year or the one before, Caufield was voted as the most overrated, so....

Two different players.
Zegras is very talented but from what I gather he isn't the type of player that helps you in a long playoff run. I am not ready to give up the farm for this guy.

I'm not an expert on Zegras. So I don't have the answer to that. Craig Button's answer to that questions is: why did the Bruins management want to to trade Joe Thornton and Tyler Seguin, when, after they traded them we did find out they were indeed awesome? Why were there rumors Jack Eichel was a problem child when he was on the block?

My only answer is, for all I know Zegras could be a Drouin or he could be a Seguin/Thornton. I don't know, but he doesn't strike me as a Drouin. And I wanted to interject Button's perspective:

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At any rate, I don't think Zegras is available for the low prices Thornton, Eichel, and Seguin were traded for. I think it would take a core piece that HuGo won't want to give up.

You mentioned in another post that you would trade Xhekaj as part of a trade for Zegras...I would wager you would be in a huge minority if a poll was taken. Once Xhekaj develops he is the type of player you want for a long playoff run.

 

[Ozmodiar]

Another option if the Ducks want a player instead of pick or prospect.

Flip Newhook along with the WPG pick and mid round pick. Keep Mesar. Newhook likely gonna get squeezed out of the top 6 anyway.

Slaf - NS - Demidov
Zegras - Dach - CC

I’d buy a ticket to see that show.

 

[26Mats]

Two different players.
Zegras is very talented but from what I gather he isn't the type of player that helps you in a long playoff run. I am not ready to give up the farm for this guy.


You mentioned in another post that you would trade Xhekaj as part of a trade for Zegras...I would wager you would be in a huge minority if a poll was taken. Once Xhekaj develops he is the type of player you want for a long playoff run.

I like Xhekaj. But we have Guhle, Matheson, Hutson, Engstrom, Struble, and Xhekaj on the left side. That is 6 dmen for 3 spots. At some point we have to trade some of them. It might be worth trading one of them that can get you a high return. But yes, I can see the argument for not trading Xhekaj for Zegras. I'm glad HuGo know the players better than I do, and I look forward to seeing their plan unfold. Seeing a fan poll would be interesting, but I take those with a grain of salt.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Another option if the Ducks want a player instead of pick or prospect.

Flip Newhook along with the WPG pick and mid round pick. Keep Mesar. Newhook likely gonna get squeezed out of the top 6 anyway.

Slaf - NS - Demidov
Zegras - Dach - CC

I’d buy a ticket to see that show.

Won't be any tickets to sell in the play-offs. Too soft.

 

[Ozmodiar]

Won't be any tickets to sell in the play-offs. Too soft.

No. We still have D and bottom 6.

 

[yianik]

Just to point out that top 5/10 protected means for that year. So the next year the other team gets your pick even if it's 1st overall.

 

[salbutera]

Habs 2024 1st rounder lottery protected (top-11)

 

[Adam Michaels]

Voted no but if we can get him cheap (the third option on the poll) then I wouldn't be too upset.

Definitely don't pay a premium though and honestly, I'd rather we just keep doing what we're doing. Go draft another top six and continue the rebuild.

If we trade our first this year I'll lose my shit.

I agree that I'd rather Habs use their own pick, which will be a Top-10 pick. Players in that range don't usually need 4-5 years before they're in your line-up. They might need some time in the AHL first, but they will likely be in your line-up in 3 years.

But regarding continuing the rebuild, we've seen part of the rebuild has been acquiring young players with potential like Dach and Newhook. The rebuild hasn't solely been building through the draft.

 

[Sorinth]

Not that I would trade Guhle or Xhekaj for Zegras but it does make some sense if they love one of the Ds.

 

[Leon Lucius Black]

The only way I would have some interest in Zegras is if we somehow were able to draft Lindstrom, this would give us 3 big bodies in our top six in the future that could make up for the small/soft skill guys. However we are more likely to draft someone like Demidov, Catton or Eiserman, if you add Zegras then that gives us a soft top six that would be easy to play against come playoff time.

Even if we were to draft Lindstrom, the most I'd give up for him would be something like Winnipeg's first and Barron which Anaheim probably would pass on.

 

[sampollock]

They're not doing it and no idea why this thread is 'live'

to get ready when your wrong...... just kidding

 

[McGees]

They will want our top 10, 1st rd pick.
So that is the real question.
Yes we are all ready to offer Kidney, Harris and a 2nd but that is not real life.
I personally am not willing to give our 1st.

 

[WeThreeKings]

No. We still have D and bottom 6.

Didn't matter how many goons Toronto tried to add to the fringes of their roster.. if your top 6 can't get inside in the play-offs, you don't win.. no matter how skilled it is.

to get ready when your wrong...... just kidding

I'll eat the crow if they do it but I'm pretty confident this isn't the guy they are moving on.