Speculation: The All Encompassing Edmonton Oilers Thread

[ChaoticOrange]

Why are you so obsessed with me?

Lmao

you're doing good in this thread! giving you well earned head pats.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Sure, I'd make the trade.

Would suck to lose Aho, but Slavin would absolutely not resign in that defensive hell hole when his contract is up, and we'd welcome him back with open arms and win the next billion Cups in doing so. Easy win for the Canes, even if we have to give up multiple picks and Morrow/Nikishin to do it. Shit, I'd throw in Jarvis just for the lolz

would McDavid sign here though? that is question. Im not so sure.

 

[AlainVigneaultsGum]

And it's not too late for you to delete your post. I'll take my Hurricanes over the Oilers every day and will come out ahead, with your McDavid vs My Slavin all year long.

Understandable have a great day.

 

[mikeyfan]

McDavid have a shot at finishing top 5 best player of all Time, Slavin is a top 10 defenseman in the league, at best

And you measure Defense as an offensive person. Slavin is the best shut down defenseman in the league. in the league.

 

[rangersfansince08]

And it's not too late for you to delete your post. I'll take my Hurricanes over the Oilers every day and will come out ahead, with your McDavid vs My Slavin all year long.

Keep embarrassing yourself, its pretty funny

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

head to head, Slavin has held McDavid below his career averages in the 11 games they have met.

that is a very small sample size to make it a definitive on value.

 

[chaz4hockey]

How many conference has Edmonton Sniffed in the past 5 years?

2019 - Canes - Conference finals; Oilers missed playoffs
2020 - Canes - won qualifying round lost first round - Oilers - Lost Qualifying Round
2021 - Canes - Lost Semi-finals won one round - Oilers Lost First Round
2022 - Canes - Lost Semi-Finals won one Round - Oilers Lost Conference finals won 2 round
2023 - Canes - Lost Conference finals won two rounds - Oilers Lost Semi-Finals won 1 round.

And it's no secret the Hockey experts say the Eastern Conferences is the toughest of the 2 conferences.

I’d add Canes roster pre 2 substantial injuries was SC quality.

A healthy Svetch and Patches would have been difference makers.

 

[rangersfansince08]

And you measure Defense as an offensive person. Slavin is the best shut down defenseman in the league. in the league.

and not even a top 10 defenseman overall though

 

[wmupreds]

head to head, Slavin has held McDavid below his career averages in the 11 games they have met.

Yes, I would assume just about any player would do better against the league's defensemen as a whole than they do against a high end defensive defenseman. Is there a point here

 

[Svechhammer]

would McDavid sign here though? that is question. Im not so sure.

As long as we're willing to pay, why would he not want to sign with a team that actually knows how to play defense, meaning that the entire ability for the team to win and contend is not reliant upon him being superghuman every night?

 

[Darkwinter]

It would absolutely make Edmonton a better team. Zero question. McDavid for Slavin alone would. But you're going to get emotional responses from Edmonton fans, not rational ones.

With the comments you made ? You don't think 90% of HF is thinking wtf kind of a comment is that?

 

[Bouboumaster]

And you measure Defense as an offensive person. Slavin is the best shut down defenseman in the league. in the league.

Cool story but you Win game by out scoring your opponents

Oilers need to improve their defense for sure, but most def not by giving the best offensive Weapons of the 21th Century

 

[mikeyfan]

Daily Faceoff best shutdown defenseman

ank	Player	Pos	Age	Team	Total Denials	Carry Denial	DZ Deflect Turnover	DZ Pass Int	Iso xGA
1	Jaccob Slavin	LD	28	CAR	6	9	3	12	-13.3%
2	Aaron Ekblad	RD	26	FLA	12	1	91	57	-12.6%
3	Charlie McAvoy	RD	24	BOS	9	8	96	43	-12.2%
4	Jonas Brodin	LD	29	MIN	37	22	18	18	-11.6%
5	Travis Sanheim	LD	26	PHI	3	18	23	28	-6.2%
6	Colton Parayko	RD	29	STL	4	30	16	22	-4.4%
7	Alex Pietrangelo	RD	32	VGK	17	36	27	8	+2.4%
8	MacKenzie Weegar	RD	28	CGY	7	5	20	10	-1.4%
9	Damon Severson	RD	28	NJD	5	2	17	3	+0.8%
10	Devon Toews	LD	28	COL	86	97	14	14	-3.7%
11	Darnell Nurse	LD	27	EDM	32	21	32	127	-6.5%
12	Brandon Carlo	RD	28	BOS	54	53	31	20	-5.1%
13	Josh Morrissey	LD	27	WPG	20	23	24	100	-5.3%
14	Ryan Graves	LD	27	NJD	29	26	21	34	-4.5%
15	Noah Hanifin	LD	25	CGY	12	2	19	106	-3.2%
16	Jonas Sieganthaler	LD	25	NJD	52	16	6	74	-15.1%
17	TJ Brodie	LD	32	TOR	17	17	39	52	-8.8%
18	Mattias Samuelsson	LD	22	BUF	23	10	12	37	-5.2%
19	Vladislav Gavrikov	LD	26	CBJ	34	83	2	65	+1.7%
20	Adam Larsson	RD	29	SEA	10	19	29	77	-0.5%

 

[ricky0034]

I never realized the Hurricanes had such delusional fans

I guess every fanbase has a few of them

 

[cptjeff]

Do you understand that teams typically use 12 forwards, 6 defensemen and a goalie? Are you new to hockey, trolling or just incapable of understanding a simple fact like that?

12 forwards, 6 D. Sure sounds like you can get twice the marginal value from a high end defenseman than you can get with a high end forward now, doesn't it?

And yes, it's not actually 2x because the ice time of the forwards is not anywhere near as evenly distributed as it is for defenseman, but the broad math of why defenseman are more valuable than forwards is slapping you in the face right now.

Also, teams generally have two goalies on the roster. Edmonton should consider trying that rather than frequently playing with goaltending equipment stacked in front of the net with no one in it.

 

[TGWL]

Scoreboard, bro. Edmonton just lost to the f*ing sharks. With a certain McDavid guy playing.

I'm pretty sure the offer was McDavid, not the Oilers for the Hurricanes.

 

[mikeyfan]

Cool story but you Win game by out scoring your opponents

Oilers need to improve their defense for sure, but most def not by giving the best offensive Weapons of the 21th Century

With a shut down defense, the Hurricanes have proven you can win games without having a 100 point scorer on your team

 

[GOilers88]

FWIW, it hasn’t really been like that. It’s more a matter of back-to-back-to-back exits against god-mode Vasilevskiy, god-mode Shesterkin, and “somehow Palpatine has returned” Bobrovsky. Not much to be done about that, regardless of what you’re bringing defensively.

Anyway, just a nitpick. Carry on.

Canes get benefit of the doubt last year for sure, imo. The injuries they had, and how far they still went. Impressive.

 

[ricky0034]

12 forwards, 6 D. Sure sounds like you can get twice the marginal value from a high end defenseman than you can get with a high end forward now, doesn't it?

And yes, it's not actually 2x because the ice time of the forwards is not anywhere near as evenly distributed as it is for defenseman, but the broad math of why defenseman are more valuable than forwards is slapping you in the face right now.

Also, teams generally have two goalies on the roster. Edmonton should consider trying that rather than frequently playing with goaltending equipment stacked in front of the net with no one in it.

McDavid literally plays more minutes per game than Slavin does

 

[rangersfansince08]

12 forwards, 6 D. Sure sounds like you can get twice the marginal value from a high end defenseman than you can get with a high end forward now, doesn't it?

And yes, it's not actually 2x because the ice time of the forwards is not anywhere near as evenly distributed as it is for defenseman, but the broad math of why defenseman are more valuable than forwards is slapping you in the face right now.

Also, teams generally have two goalies on the roster. Edmonton should consider trying that rather than frequently playing with goaltending equipment stacked in front of the net with no one in it.

You're just embarrassing yourself at this point.

 

[POVERTY]

So what do we think when all is said and done?

Gretzky
Lemieux
Orr
Slavin
Howe

 

[wmupreds]

12 forwards, 6 D. Sure sounds like you can get twice the marginal value from a high end defenseman than you can get with a high end forward now, doesn't it?

I don't think you understand how marginal value works, despite seeming to love the phrase.

It has nothing to do with how many forwards or defensemen exist. It's simply how much better a player is than a baseline (average, replacement, whatever you want to use).

If you want to get into what's hard to find around the league, LHD is not at the top of that list.

 

[Stickpucker]

Preface: It sucks to suck and I think McDavid is the best player on the planet.

I don't think McDavid would work well on the Canes.

He seems like a me first diva who would clash heavily with Brindamour. He would never work out here. He wants to be in Montreal, Edmonton (if they didn't suck shark dong) New York or maybe LA. Just like some people hate playing in Toronto or Montreal and love to play in Carolina or Anaheim.

McDavid has more value than Slavin and Aho but I don't think that trade makes the Canes better because of the factors listed above.

Now I think Draistailt *could* be a fit. The guy was basically crying after getting shark chomped last night. He might be humble enough to go to a contender and give buy in. He exactly what Carolina lack...50+ goal scorer, shows up big in playoffs, big body build for big games.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

With a shut down defense, the Hurricanes have proven you can win games without having a 100 point scorer on your team

they haven't proven that they can make a Cup final, never mind win one, though. I don't get all the crowing in this thread, Carolina is every bit as disappointing in the playoffs as Edmonton has been. They've just been disappointing for longer.

Oh, and Edmonton doesn't need LD. At all. Even a little bit. Ignoring the ENORMOUS gulf in value between Slavin and McDavid, positionally it doesn't make a lick of sense for Edmonton.

 

[Garbageyuk]

you're doing good in this thread! giving you well earned head pats.

Aww, I thought we were moving on and starting a fun back and forth banter dynamic, but you’re still hurt from our prior encounters. You’ll heal eventually. Probably not this season though, or the season after…or the season after that lmao. Geez, I feel for you man hahaha.