Sather: "Yo D-Step. I can't manage a team properly. Sucks but you'll have to pay for my incompetence. Whaddya say?"
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Sather: "Yo D-Step. I can't manage a team properly. Sucks but you'll have to pay for my incompetence. Whaddya say?"
Gardner McKay
RIP, Jimmy.
Based on what? Kadri just signed a 2 year deal. Hodgson a 6. If Stepan gets a 2 year deal why is that Sathers incompetence when Kadri signed a similar deal.
Hire Sather
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Hire Sather
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Its nothing that I wouldn't say about any player holding out on any team.
ROR was the worst last year. Lockout wasn't enough for him, he still wasn't gunna play till he got more money than he deserved. He got it, though.
haveandare
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Sather's incompetence has nothing to do with the fact that Step has played at the level that justifies his reported demands for half of one season, or the fact that he's an RFA without arbitration rights, and therefore has no leverage.
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Ya, I'm a casual Avs fan and followed that entire ordeal. Despite retaining a great player, I wish they would have just given him up for picks. They're not ready to win right now but they've stocked up enough to build as they push every year. They have good talent down center even without ROR and considering the long term prospects of keeping ROR? Mistake on their part imo.
I'm now just annoyed at having to wait for something to happen before our season can feel like it's started. A kick to the gut of many fans I'm sure... having to wait for Step's contract.
he meant the fact that we don't have the cap space to pay him a bridge deal no less even entertain the idea of locking him up long term
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How do we not have the space to give him a bridge deal? We can easily give him up to 3.5 mil per year.
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both sides are now presumably fighting over $200,000 - $300,000 instead of splitting the difference at around 60/40 in favor of NYR and just getting going.
When there's a signing, Gorts is praised. When there's a delay Slat's is razed. Unleash the hounds.
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I think people are more displeased with Step than either Slats or Gorts. I mean, over a career that's likely filled with $10,000,000 and $10,000,000 and $10,000,000 of millions of dollars and even in this upcoming season at least $3,000,000, you'd think you'd be okay to push aside money and just play the sport.
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I mean, hell, there's even the chance that AV will like the look of Richards or Brassard with Nash as opposed to Step. When you're on a team with two other centers who I believe will be able to put up 1C numbers or 25-50-75ish numbers at least once in the next three years, you're kind of putting your own position on the team in jeopardy. I'm sure AV won't hold it against him as it's a part of the business BUT if he misses training camp in its entirety, there is no doubt that his role as 1C will take a hit from the lack of orientation and not being there to allow AV to mesh him into his system and lineup.
ROR missed everything up until he came back from holding out and missed 19 games. By then Duchene has gotten back on track and taken 1C. If ROR demanded that kind of money, he must have fancied himself a contender for that 1C spot especially given the fact that he WAS the 1C the prior year with Duchene under performing due to injuries and some other issues. The hold out set him at 2C. A potential Olympian in Statsny had 19 games to put up close to PPG number but failed to do so again and continued to decline. Despite the eventual outcome, Statsny had almost 20 games to seize a bigger role on the team.
Granted, we don't have a Duchene in Brassard but there's no doubt that Brassard can play his way to getting 1C ice time and paired with Rick Nash on the top line. Everyone is down and out on Richards but I can't imagine him getting less than 65 points this season on 82 games. With everyone getting a "clean slate" to show AV that they can in fact do more than what they've done, every day he misses in camp is another day where our current 2C and 3C can manage their way to a bigger role on the team at Stepan's expense.
Petro can hold out for ages and he's still the franchise defenseman. Hodgson and Kadri both jumped back in for the first day of camp because they know they should probably be there for their own good.
If our 2C and 3C are Richards and Lindberg or Brassard and Lindberg, then that's okay. He must know this.
ROR missed everything up until he came back from holding out and missed 19 games. By then Duchene has gotten back on track and taken 1C. If ROR demanded that kind of money, he must have fancied himself a contender for that 1C spot especially given the fact that he WAS the 1C the prior year with Duchene under performing due to injuries and some other issues. The hold out set him at 2C. A potential Olympian in Statsny had 19 games to put up close to PPG number but failed to do so again and continued to decline. Despite the eventual outcome, Statsny had almost 20 games to seize a bigger role on the team.
Granted, we don't have a Duchene in Brassard but there's no doubt that Brassard can play his way to getting 1C ice time and paired with Rick Nash on the top line. Everyone is down and out on Richards but I can't imagine him getting less than 65 points this season on 82 games. With everyone getting a "clean slate" to show AV that they can in fact do more than what they've done, every day he misses in camp is another day where our current 2C and 3C can manage their way to a bigger role on the team at Stepan's expense.
Petro can hold out for ages and he's still the franchise defenseman. Hodgson and Kadri both jumped back in for the first day of camp because they know they should probably be there for their own good.
If our 2C and 3C are Richards and Lindberg or Brassard and Lindberg, then that's okay. He must know this.
Chaels Arms
Formerly Lias Andersson
I'm not displeased with either side. I don't fault Sather or Gorton for trying to get the best deal possible although I wish they would apply the same due dilligence when they go about negotiating with FA's. I don't fault Stepan. He can point to contracts that support his position just as much as management can.
You know what would make me disappointed? If Stepan bolted to the KHL. At that point I'll join in the rage parade. Not a doubt in my mind that Stepan will be signed soon.
You know what would make me disappointed? If Stepan bolted to the KHL. At that point I'll join in the rage parade. Not a doubt in my mind that Stepan will be signed soon.
Or he is pushing for money Slats don't have. Ie a Boyle trade. That gives us some room.
What's Slats going to do? Let AV start the season without Cally, Hags AND Stepan?
BBKers
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When it came to the lockout - I thought both sides were in general to blame and mostly saw things through the players perspective.
However, in this case I think that Stepan is putting his own interests in front of sensibility a bit too much. When has a holdout ever really become a real win for the player without arb. rights looking at a bridge contract (without an offersheet)?
Sign for about $3 friggin million a year for 2 years, lace them up & get on the ice for the team, produce even better results and get your big payday in 2 years. All part of due process. The exceptions (ie bad signings) that do show up are by usually done desperate small market teams wanting to make a splash. Rocking the boat now is not the best move. PERIOD
Gotta wonder about the impact, agenda and realism of the agents "counsel"... Only realistic scenario is to cave to NYR or get an offersheet. Is the offersheet the better alternative for the agent? You bet it is...
However, in this case I think that Stepan is putting his own interests in front of sensibility a bit too much. When has a holdout ever really become a real win for the player without arb. rights looking at a bridge contract (without an offersheet)?
Sign for about $3 friggin million a year for 2 years, lace them up & get on the ice for the team, produce even better results and get your big payday in 2 years. All part of due process. The exceptions (ie bad signings) that do show up are by usually done desperate small market teams wanting to make a splash. Rocking the boat now is not the best move. PERIOD
Gotta wonder about the impact, agenda and realism of the agents "counsel"... Only realistic scenario is to cave to NYR or get an offersheet. Is the offersheet the better alternative for the agent? You bet it is...
BBKers
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I love how I always catch the Swedes because I'm on the east coast and I generally stay up until 10-11 Swedish time.
You should be catching the Swedish bikini babes... They keep you up all night
aufheben
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I love how I always catch the Swedes because I'm on the east coast and I generally stay up until 10-11 Swedish time.
Yep.
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Step blocked Hodgy because Hodgy made a snarky tweet at him. Step is definitely emotionally charged. Judging by the lack of negotiation or progress, I think it's literally down to a "take it or don't play" type of situation from NYR. Hodgy's tweet on Kadri's $2.9M elicited a reaction so I'm going to guess NYR offered $3M at most but probably more like $2.75M. In the end, I'm going to guess it'll be a $3.0M AAV. Before the Kadri deal, they were already stuck at no negotiations so Glen must have had a bridge deal on the table already. I can't imagine it being more than $2.8M. I think they're going to have to at least offer $3.0M if not $3.1M to get Step to budge before this gets to the 11th hour. There's pride involved.
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I love how I always catch the Swedes because I'm on the east coast and I generally stay up until 10-11 Swedish time.
Vancouver is on the east coast? Of what?
Who the hell is Hodgy? Hodgson?
I cant believe the contracts being handed out ATM, more than what Couture got with a higher salary cap.
Kadri isn't nearly as proven as Couture was, and Hodgson isn't even close.
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Most people rejected his message
Oh, really? That is a bit drastic to block a random fan for a snarky tweet, I'm surprised.
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