Confirmed with Link: Teravainen and Bickell to Canes

[Carolinas Identity*]

 

[Brock Anton]

I don't know if TT stagnated as much as never really developed? This guy had bigger than Aho expectations of offense on him. I've watched a lot of hawks games the last two years, my lady is from Chicago. I'm not talking down the deal because I think it was necessary and it gives us what we need at a price we can afford but I'm just not sold on TT being more than he's been so far. This trade was fair, we didn't "steal" anything. TT was a mid first rounder and if Bickel walks (likely) we'll have paid a second and a third for a mid first rounder who is slight, not at all physical, and hasn't developed the offense thought of him. How many playoff coaches want to play slight offensive minded players who don't put up a ton of points?

The reality is we need forwards and to add this guy is a plus in anyone's eyes, including mine. Bickel might work out here too, you can't say he won't find a role. I'm just saying we paid a price here, and if TT stays a slight peripheral player who gives us 30 pts a season and Bickel goes away, while the Hawks find a way to make those picks useful to them then this was not a lopsided deal for us.

It's still a plus because we aren't a playoff team, and if this helps us get there than hell yes. Once we are there us being pushed around easily may be the next step to fix. Right now I put TT on a similar level with Lindy. Both are undersized, TT is the more explosive skater and Lindy is better at being strong on the puck. We're adding an undersized Aho as well. The skill level continues to improve but we are also still an easy team to shove around if you can catch us.

But when you build up assets (aka picks), you can afford to make a deal like this. We've still got a 2nd this year to go along with 3 3rd's and have two 2nd's and two 3rd's next year. While it certainly wasn't 'cheap', it's still a very nice deal for us because we're taking from a position of strength and addressing a weakness, or two, as I too think Bickell will playing a farily big role in our bottom six.

It's worth it to take a couple picks and take a flyer on a 22-year old who's clearly talented.

 

[bleedgreen]

And to agree with robo, he didn't look very good in the playoffs this year. Not dynamic at all. Didn't create offense and wasn't strong on the puck in either direction.

That had to play a role in them accepting moving him.

 

[bleedgreen]

But when you build up assets (aka picks), you can afford to make a deal like this. We've still got a 2nd this year to go along with 3 3rd's and have two 2nd's and two 3rd's next year. While it certainly wasn't 'cheap', it's still a very nice deal for us because we're taking from a position of strength and addressing a weakness, or two, as I too think Bickell will playing a farily big role in our bottom six.

It's worth it to take a couple picks and take a flyer on a 22-year old who's clearly talented.

And you've made my "pro" argument right there. I agree with all of that. I tend to like keeping the picks, we haven't done it enough over the years and we're on a pretty good streak with the drafting but I agree with what you've said here.

 

[QnebO]

Teräväinen very likely hasn't even been close to peaking, so thats good price for player like him. The other guy has big salary as a dark side, though.

Must follow this team, most interested for Aho but Saarela and TT are interesting young players, too.

 

[Novacane]

And anyway, Bickell might rebound and be worth something next deadline if we're looking in from the outside again.

 

[FlyingSquirrels]

TT is 21

Just throwing that out there

 

[bleedgreen]

Which is why he's worth the risk. Just saying there is a risk, this isn't as lopsided as some here and on the main board are making it.

 

[Francis10]

Pittsburgh seemed to do all right with the speed/skill game this year. Don't think you necessarily need crashers and bangers anymore like 10 years ago. Just my opinion.

 

[DaveG]

Which is why he's worth the risk. Just saying there is a risk, this isn't as lopsided as some here and on the board are making it.

Oh no doubt. But still, a 30% chance at a pick that will turn out to be worth anything whereas TT's a young player that's already an NHL level talent. We didn't completely fleece Chicago in this trade, they still got two picks that could turn out to be valuable contributors for them down the road unlike last years trade where we literally got the 3 most valuable pieces in the deal (Steeg, Nordstrom, the pick we just sent back to Chicago).

But this trade is definitely a win for us. Could end up being a win for Chicago too if they're smart about their cap situation and this allows them to be so. Win-win deals happen all the time.

 

[DougieSmash]

Could be great offseason if we add Ladd/ Eriksson.

 

[RodTheBawd]

I'm just not sold on TT being more than he's been so far.

That's a pretty silly statement to make about a 21 year old that just finished his first full NHL season. Seems like you're trying a little too hard to be a wet blanket/contrarian.

 

[Finnpin]

This is great for TT's development. Probably will get bigger role in Raleigh.

 

[Mestaruus]

That's a lot of Finnish hockey IQ signed by Carolina in the last couple of days. I'm happy for Carolina and for Teuvo's sake. He will fit in Carolina better, no question about that.

 

[FlyingSquirrels]

Could be great offseason if we add Ladd/ Eriksson.

Seems like adding Ladd would slow this team down. We are becoming quite young and fast all of a sudden.

 

[RodTheBawd]

Seems like adding Ladd would slow this team down. We are becoming quite young and fast all of a sudden.

Maybe I watched a different Ladd last season?

 

[Stickpucker]

Much prefer KO or Nielsen to Ladd or Ericcson

 

[MinJaBen]

Much prefer KO or Nielsen to Ladd or Ericcson

I'll second this as well. Ericcson would be ok, but I'd rather not sign Ladd.

 

[StormCast]

That had to play a role in them accepting moving him.

Technically they 86'd him.

Yeah, it's a good trade in terms of value and he's a player with some nice upside but still some work to be done in his development and the roster.

As for Ladd, no thanks. I agree with the comment that he looks like he's lost a step. Lots of miles on those wheels. I wouldn't mind seeing Versteeg re-signed to a decent contract to then allow for a bigger upgrade in net.

 

[Roboturner913]

Which is why he's worth the risk. Just saying there is a risk, this isn't as lopsided as some here and on the main board are making it.

Agreed, I think the Chicago GM did fine considering his back was up against the wall. We're getting a relatively high-end prospect but those 2nds and 3rds lately have turned into guys like Aho, Rask, Pesce. It's not a rip-off by any means.

 

[Roboturner913]

Conceivably to start the 17 season we could be rolling out a forward lineup with Skinner, Aho, Rask, Staal, TT, Lindholm, Saarela, Tolchinsky, PDG, Nestrasil, this year's #13 and somebody like Nic Roy.

Now that is one hell of a turnaround from what JR left behind.

 

[FlyingSquirrels]

Conceivably to start the 17 season we could be rolling out a forward lineup with Skinner, Aho, Rask, Staal, TT, Lindholm, Saarela, Tolchinsky, PDG, Nestrasil, this year's #13 and somebody like Nic Roy.

Now that is one hell of a turnaround from what JR left behind.

No reason to rush Tolchinsky or Roy. Let them ripen, they are nowhere near ready.

 

[Roboturner913]

Tolchinsky will be 22, turning 23 in the middle of 17-18, Roy will be 20 turning 21. It's not crazy to think either or both will be in the lineup at that point.

 

[CandyCanes]

All I can say is there is going to be a heck of a competition for seasons to come at the forward ranks.

TT just adds even more depth to that. I'm guessing picks 13,21, & 43 will be forwards. Then you've got Aho, Zykov, Wallmark, Saarela, Roy, Tolchinsky, & Mcginn all whom I think have a really solid chance to become NHL forwards one day.

 

[Roboturner913]

^I forgot about Zykov too. Damn, RF has gotten more good prospects in hand in two seasons than JR ever had in his entire tenure combined.