Teams in Cap Hell for 2023/2024

[theguardianII]

It's unfortunate in your haste to "be right" you don't seem to understand how LTIR works.

LTIR isn't applied until the start of the season.

As such, assuming Poolman who's had multiple concussions in 2 years and has tried 3 times in that time to return, is out, which is highly probable theres 2.5 mil

Pearson, end of season said, he just wants to be able to have a normal life. Doesn't sound like hockey is happening for him either, there's 3.25 mil

2.5 +3.25 = 5.75 mil
min nhl salary 750k

They have enough to pay 4 players 1.43 mil

Again, this ignores Myers who is easily moved after Sept 1 and his bonus to a cap floor team. 1 mil cash, 6 mil cap, and an expiring contract on a big RD who can skate. Very appealing to a bottom feeder team who can flip him at the deadline as a rental - there's 6 mil cap

I am repeating my post to you as you clearly wanted to be "right" vs reading.

Beuvillier 4.5 mil
Expiring contract
.62 ppg with the canucks
proven playoff performer
Same logic as Myers, very appealing for a team wanting a player for the season to flip

Ya, I'm right, The Canucks have 'easy outs' so therefore, are not in cap hell. Teams in cap hell do not have 'easy outs'

And if you're going to argue some bottom feeder team won't take Myers for 1 mil in cash and 6 mil cap hit, and the ability to flip for assets at the deadline (or Beuvillier) given they would both be rentals....pleaease lol

Please read the puckpedia LTIR explained in depth.

Teams that use LTIR before the start of the season are cannot accrue any more cap space. There are reasons some teams use LTIR and others that avoid it like the plague.

Talking about what they could do isn't them doing it, they have done nothing at all. They can make trades now, they don't have to wait. And the team's playing now don't have any cap space either so they are not probable trade partners.

They have 18 players signed and are over the cap by more than a million dollars right now, that is cap hell for a team needing to sign at least 5 more players even to the league minimum of 23 and at the league minimum salaries.

It does not matter what they could do, it is where they are right now and without any changes come July 1 first they have to be cap compliant. They could hold off signing player until they somehow get compliant but then they are behind other teams making trades.

Even the final four teams will need to move players but those are players from winning teams.

Dallas was a cup finalist a few years ago, Carolina has been a top team for years now, Florida was the best team in the league last year and then there is Vegas, a team that treats the cap like a suggestion and somehow gets it done.

Canuck players are from a losing team, some have been losers for years or most of their careers that diminishes value.

True though no teams are doing trades right now, I think it is some league mandate to keep the focus on the playoffs.

For cap related facts Cap Friendly does daily updates because teams are required to compliant daily. I am not sure Mikheyev is even counted as he is still listed as on IR.

No matter what the situation is though you HAVE to agree that having the seventh highest payroll and a team that hasn't finished higher than 22nd in the league is really bad.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Proposal: - Canucks Buy out option vs retention Option (Discussion/Proposal requests)

Good Day Ladies, Gents and others. As you are aware, the Vancouver Canucks are in Cap trouble I would ask you to help with which way to go and any offers would be gratefully appreciated. I have simplified the cap, just to shorten it................but IMO, within a acceptable variance...

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[Big Muddy]

It will certainly be a task filling out that 28 man roster. Or the minimum 24, which is actually a maximum of 23 according to the CBA.

The Bruins have some work to do, but I think it's safe to ignore this cocktail napkin blueprint of yours.

Yes, CapFriendly typically lists 23 player rosters as well (a small number of teams with less).

 

[Nuckster]

Please read the puckpedia LTIR explained in depth.

Teams that use LTIR before the start of the season are cannot accrue any more cap space. There are reasons some teams use LTIR and others that avoid it like the plague.

Talking about what they could do isn't them doing it, they have done nothing at all. They can make trades now, they don't have to wait. And the team's playing now don't have any cap space either so they are not probable trade partners.

They have 18 players signed and are over the cap by more than a million dollars right now, that is cap hell for a team needing to sign at least 5 more players even to the league minimum of 23 and at the league minimum salaries.

It does not matter what they could do, it is where they are right now and without any changes come July 1 first they have to be cap compliant. They could hold off signing player until they somehow get compliant but then they are behind other teams making trades.

Even the final four teams will need to move players but those are players from winning teams.

Dallas was a cup finalist a few years ago, Carolina has been a top team for years now, Florida was the best team in the league last year and then there is Vegas, a team that treats the cap like a suggestion and somehow gets it done.

Canuck players are from a losing team, some have been losers for years or most of their careers that diminishes value.

True though no teams are doing trades right now, I think it is some league mandate to keep the focus on the playoffs.

For cap related facts Cap Friendly does daily updates because teams are required to compliant daily. I am not sure Mikheyev is even counted as he is still listed as on IR.

No matter what the situation is though you HAVE to agree that having the seventh highest payroll and a team that hasn't finished higher than 22nd in the league is really bad.

You don't seem to comprehend LTIR nor what i've explained ad nauseum including the math. It makes me wonder if you actually read other people's posts before responding.

Who care's about accruing "more cap space". The whole point that was made REPEATEDLY, was they are not in cap hell if using LTIR because that cap relief they get from Poolman and Pearson will be enough to sign 4 players. I am not sure why this is hard to understand.

Math
84.1 cap hit
83.5 cap expectations
That is a 700k over the cap not 1 million

Math
Pearson 3.25
Poolman 2.5
Minus current overage 0.7
Total cap relief available due to LTIR 5.05 million
4 players to sign with 5.05 million available
AAV per player 1.26 mil - all the big names are signed, they have 1.25 mil per player to sign depth. No they can't get better but they are NOT in cap hell because they can be cap compliant very easily. I've said this about 8x in this thread now.

In addition, I've shown how the the Canucks can easily make trades in the offseason

If they do not, the ability to use LTIR (which is highly likely on day one of the season) will be there for them.

You said you don't even know if Mikhayev is included in that number, now you're just proving you don't even know what you're talking about / have done zero research. I am glad you said this because now I know I'm debating someone who's opinion isn't even based on facts and research. Go look at Capfriendly. Add up the cap hits and learn what you're talking about before you come on boards and argue ad nauseum about things you clearly aren't educated on. Stop listening to Drance would help too.


Time will show who's right.

 

[Nuckster]

What about Mikhaeyev, Bear and Kratsov and a second goalie.

What about looking at cap friendly and adding up cap hits to learn Mikhahev is included in the 600k over.

We have 1.25 aav per player (5 mil) for 4 players at our disposal assuming LTIR. That's more than enough for a backup, if Bear has to go so be it, he's not some world beater

Backup 1.25
Bear 2.25
depth dman league min 750k
depth dman / forward league min 750k

Total 5. mil
Cap space post LTIR minus current overage 5.05

Research + Thinking + Math = proof of argument

 

[Golden_Jet]

What about looking at cap friendly and adding up cap hits to learn Mikhahev is included in the 600k over.

We have 1.25 aav per player (5 mil) for 4 players at our disposal assuming LTIR. That's more than enough for a backup, if Bear has to go so be it, he's not some world beater

Backup 1.25
Bear 2.25
depth dman league min 750k
depth dman / forward league min 750k

Total 5. mil
Cap space post LTIR minus current overage 5.05

Research + Thinking + Math = proof of argument

So you’re not keeping Kratsov? Mr Condescending.
Your own fans think your in cap hell lol.

 

[NOTENOUGHRYJOTHINGS]

Why does everyone say Meyers will be a good deadline pickup?

I get that he can be moved to a cap floor team after his bonus this summer.

But the deadline even with max retention there will be much better and cheaper defenders. Meyers is so bad.

 

[KingsFan7824]

Why does everyone say Meyers will be a good deadline pickup?

I get that he can be moved to a cap floor team after his bonus this summer.

But the deadline even with max retention there will be much better and cheaper defenders. Meyers is so bad.

He's a RHD who has size, and a team could get him at a $1.5m hit at the deadline. Someone would likely take a chance on that.

 

[BCNate]

Karlsson and Raty aren't NHL ready.

Hoglander and Podkolzin still have alot to prove as well and if you think that McDonaugh and Klimovich are close I want to have what you are having because it must be some crazy good s**t.

We also have a ton of soft players and don't play a structured game that will lead to success in the playoffs, the OP was nuts leaving us out of the mix because of the EP situation compounded by the owners' we need to win a SC for my dad" impossible evaluation of the current state of this team.

Karlsson and mcDonaugh will be 24 early in the season. If they aren’t getting close, it’s probably not at all. They will get time in the nhl. As will pods and hogs. Whether any can perform and produce is a question while other question.

 

[theguardianII]

You don't seem to comprehend LTIR nor what i've explained ad nauseum including the math. It makes me wonder if you actually read other people's posts before responding.

Who care's about accruing "more cap space". The whole point that was made REPEATEDLY, was they are not in cap hell if using LTIR because that cap relief they get from Poolman and Pearson will be enough to sign 4 players. I am not sure why this is hard to understand.

Math
84.1 cap hit
83.5 cap expectations
That is a 700k over the cap not 1 million

Math
Pearson 3.25
Poolman 2.5
Minus current overage 0.7
Total cap relief available due to LTIR 5.05 million
4 players to sign with 5.05 million available
AAV per player 1.26 mil - all the big names are signed, they have 1.25 mil per player to sign depth. No they can't get better but they are NOT in cap hell because they can be cap compliant very easily. I've said this about 8x in this thread now.

In addition, I've shown how the the Canucks can easily make trades in the offseason

If they do not, the ability to use LTIR (which is highly likely on day one of the season) will be there for them.

You said you don't even know if Mikhayev is included in that number, now you're just proving you don't even know what you're talking about / have done zero research. I am glad you said this because now I know I'm debating someone who's opinion isn't even based on facts and research. Go look at Capfriendly. Add up the cap hits and learn what you're talking about before you come on boards and argue ad nauseum about things you clearly aren't educated on. Stop listening to Drance would help too.


Time will show who's right.

Okay how about a scenario where a team wants to make a trade? Let's say a team HAS to trade to get under the cap and is willing to offer up players like Cernak, Sanhiem, Bratt or how about some of the FA defencemen available, Dumba, Graves, Severson, Zub,...
The point being due to the cap they cannot even enter the bidding because if they did get one of these, they were successful they cannot be more than 10% over the cap.

So 18 players signed, five more needed and currently over the estimated cap. Bear and Burroughs if signed puts them over even more.

To get under they HAVE to trade a player, which they have not done yet.
Being over the cap and the need to be under as players come off LTIR forces the team to use draft picks to entice teams. The cap costs the future.

Even if they can move Miller and his 8 million they are close to being capped out to get to the 23 man roster unless they make trades which makes more holes in the line up which hurts competitiveness.

A less competitive team might/maybe/could cause Pettersson to decide to move on. Hughes already would like to play with his brothers.

Okay you don't call it cap hell, then what is it?
The team can't make trades and take money back unless they retain but that is more bad contracts than the cap but it still hampers them.
The team can't sign FA's
The team has to shed cap.
If they somehow get EP to sign it will be for 10+mil a season, his QO and his production might warrant that even if the team performance doesn't

It sure would be nice if they could sign just two of those dmen. Bratt wouldn't hurt either, if only they had any cap space and were not going to be over the cap by more than 10% during the summer.

A list of players to trade and get nothing back? AB for a bag of pucks? Not enough, CG and BB for two bags of pucks? That just might be what is asked for in return, that might even work. BB to Minny for a 2,3,4, CG for 3,4,5 AB for a pick and a prospect? But not if they either of the others.

What could they do IF they had 8 mil in free cap space?

 

[AndreRoy]

Tampa’s not in cap hell. All their stars except Hagel are locked up and they don’t have any egregiously bad contracts with the possible exception of Cirelli’s. Age, injuries, and the accumulated effects of having played more postseason games than any other team over the past decade are taking their toll, and they’re losing depth due to older complementary players finishing their contracts while having a shortage of quality prospects with which to replace them, but they’re in no danger of losing any of their key players and while they aren’t the clear favorites anymore they still have at least a few years left as solid contenders.

 

[BoltSTH]

Tampa could put Hedman on LTIR for the regular season, to fix his hip issues, then bring him back for the playoff, rested and skating with both legs healthy. If so, watch for the HFB tirade saying Tampa are cheating, and should not be allowed to use that $7.875m cap space.

 

[AnInjuredJasonZucker]

All year Oilers’ fans defended the PP numbers, hell so did their captain in an interview in between periods during game 6, “they all count”. Now all of a sudden, Bouchard’s numbers don’t mean as much because he got most of them on the PP.

Go figure

All year every other teams' fans chastised the PP numbers. Now all of a sudden, Bouchard's numbers mean everything for a new contract despite getting most of his points on the PP.

Go figure.

 

[Nuckster]

Okay how about a scenario where a team wants to make a trade? Let's say a team HAS to trade to get under the cap and is willing to offer up players like Cernak, Sanhiem, Bratt or how about some of the FA defencemen available, Dumba, Graves, Severson, Zub,...
The point being due to the cap they cannot even enter the bidding because if they did get one of these, they were successful they cannot be more than 10% over the cap.

So 18 players signed, five more needed and currently over the estimated cap. Bear and Burroughs if signed puts them over even more.

To get under they HAVE to trade a player, which they have not done yet.
Being over the cap and the need to be under as players come off LTIR forces the team to use draft picks to entice teams. The cap costs the future.

Even if they can move Miller and his 8 million they are close to being capped out to get to the 23 man roster unless they make trades which makes more holes in the line up which hurts competitiveness.

A less competitive team might/maybe/could cause Pettersson to decide to move on. Hughes already would like to play with his brothers.

Okay you don't call it cap hell, then what is it?
The team can't make trades and take money back unless they retain but that is more bad contracts than the cap but it still hampers them.
The team can't sign FA's
The team has to shed cap.
If they somehow get EP to sign it will be for 10+mil a season, his QO and his production might warrant that even if the team performance doesn't

It sure would be nice if they could sign just two of those dmen. Bratt wouldn't hurt either, if only they had any cap space and were not going to be over the cap by more than 10% during the summer.

A list of players to trade and get nothing back? AB for a bag of pucks? Not enough, CG and BB for two bags of pucks? That just might be what is asked for in return, that might even work. BB to Minny for a 2,3,4, CG for 3,4,5 AB for a pick and a prospect? But not if they either of the others.

What could they do IF they had 8 mil in free cap space?

I've literally EXPLAINED TO YOU ABOUT 4 TIMES NOW


THE POINT OF THIS IS CAN THEY FIELD A TEAM AND BE CAP COMPLAINT

FOR THE LAST TIME, THE ANSWER IS YES

I HAVE ALSO SAID REPEATEDLY, YES THE ISSUES PREVENT THEM FROM GETTING BETTER

I HAVE ALSO SAID, IF THEY WAIT A YEAR, THEN THE CAP ISSUES WILL BE GONE AND THEY CAN IMPROVE

ARE THEY WINNING A CUP NEXT YEAR? NO

IS SITTING PAT THE BEST OUTCOME, NO

CAN THEY DO BASICALLY NOTHING AND FIELD A FULL ROSTER THAT IS CAP COMPLIANT (REPEATING AGAIN SINCE ITS SEEMS HARD TO UNDERSTAND) - YES

CAN THE OTHER TEAMS I LISTED STAND PAT AND FIELD A FULL ROSTER AND BE CAP COMPLIANT - THE ANSWER IS NO.

AGAIN THE ANSWER FOR THE OTHER TEAMS LISTED IS NO. THIS IS THE WHOLE POINT OF THE OP

Not explaining nor responding again. Its now been explained to you repeatedly.

 

[HighLifeManIsHigh]

All year every other teams' fans chastised the PP numbers. Now all of a sudden, Bouchard's numbers mean everything for a new contract despite getting most of his points on the PP.

Go figure.

Well I guess we have to meet in the middle. He will not sign for $3 million

 

[theguardianII]

I've literally EXPLAINED TO YOU ABOUT 4 TIMES NOW


THE POINT OF THIS IS CAN THEY FIELD A TEAM AND BE CAP COMPLAINT

FOR THE LAST TIME, THE ANSWER IS YES

I HAVE ALSO SAID REPEATEDLY, YES THE ISSUES PREVENT THEM FROM GETTING BETTER

I HAVE ALSO SAID, IF THEY WAIT A YEAR, THEN THE CAP ISSUES WILL BE GONE AND THEY CAN IMPROVE

ARE THEY WINNING A CUP NEXT YEAR? NO

IS SITTING PAT THE BEST OUTCOME, NO

CAN THEY DO BASICALLY NOTHING AND FIELD A FULL ROSTER THAT IS CAP COMPLIANT (REPEATING AGAIN SINCE ITS SEEMS HARD TO UNDERSTAND) - YES

CAN THE OTHER TEAMS I LISTED STAND PAT AND FIELD A FULL ROSTER AND BE CAP COMPLIANT - THE ANSWER IS NO.

AGAIN THE ANSWER FOR THE OTHER TEAMS LISTED IS NO. THIS IS THE WHOLE POINT OF THE OP

Not explaining nor responding again. Its now been explained to you repeatedly.

FYI;

No fantasy, no what if, just data.

2023-24 CAP SPACE​

UPPER LIMIT: 83.5M|

LOWER LIMIT: 61.7M
PROJECTED CAP SPACE

POSITIONAL BREAKDOWN

Vancouver Canucks		18/23	39/50	0/3		$84,168,750	$0 (-$668,750 )
Calgary Flames		18/23	34/50	0/3		$82,250,000	$1,250,000
Tampa Bay Lightning		16/23	34/50	0/3		$81,900,000	$1,600,000
Vegas Golden Knights		20/23	38/50	0/3		$80,037,484	$3,462,516
New York Islanders		20/23	36/50	0/3		$78,163,333	$5,336,667
Edmonton Oilers		17/23	31/50	0/3		$77,530,000	$5,970,000
Boston Bruins		14/23	28/50	0/3		$77,412,500	$6,087,500
Washington Capitals		17/23	34/50	0/3		$76,186,667	$7,313,333
Dallas Stars		17/23	31/50	0/3		$76,105,329	$7,394,671
St. Louis Blues		18/23	37/50	0/3		$75,993,333	$7,506,667
Los Angeles Kings		18/23	32/50	0/3		$75,913,334	$7,586,666
Philadelphia Flyers		15/23	35/50	0/3		$75,798,524	$7,701,476
Montreal Canadiens		20/23	35/50	0/3		$75,009,166	$8,490,834
Minnesota Wild		15/23	34/50	0/3		$74,418,588	$9,081,412
Florida Panthers		17/23	31/50	0/3		$74,154,168	$9,345,832
Toronto Maple Leafs		14/23	33/50	0/3		$73,589,783	$9,910,217
New York Rangers		14/23	31/50	0/3		$71,737,083	$11,762,917
Winnipeg Jets		15/23	31/50	0/3		$70,507,857	$12,992,143
Colorado Avalanche		12/23	24/50	0/3		$70,150,000	$13,350,000
San Jose Sharks		16/23	37/50	1/3		$68,557,501	$14,942,499
Nashville Predators		17/23	35/50	1/3		$67,955,309	$15,544,691
Ottawa Senators		11/23	27/50	1/3		$66,424,047	$17,075,953
Columbus Blue Jackets		17/23	36/50	0/3		$65,145,833	$18,354,167
Buffalo Sabres		20/23	29/50	0/3		$64,040,237	$19,459,763
Pittsburgh Penguins		15/23	29/50	0/3		$63,291,842	$20,208,158
Seattle Kraken		14/23	33/50	0/3		$63,156,576	$20,343,424
Carolina Hurricanes		17/23	28/50	0/3		$59,376,917 (-2,323,083)	$24,123,083
Arizona Coyotes		13/23	28/50	1/3		$56,438,810 (-5,261,190)	$27,061,190
Detroit Red Wings		15/23	28/50	1/3		$52,834,722 (-8,865,278)	$30,665,278
New Jersey Devils		12/23	27/50	0/3		$49,217,500 (-12,482,500)	$34,282,500
Anaheim Ducks		15/23	31/50	0/3		$44,451,667 (-17,248,333)	$39,048,333
Chicago Blackhawks		13/23	35/50	1/3		$41,655,123 (-20,044,877)	$41,844,877

Vancouver is the only team OVER the estimated cap with only 18 players under contract, NHL players that have at least a few games.

Yes I agree they could ice an AHL team and be under if they let a few walk away for free.

They are in cap hell by every media's hockey experts and just about every article written or conversation about them, the cap problems comes up as the primary concern over team performance or improvement.

The words "Cap Hell" are commonly used by hockey experts.

What would you call cap hell if not the cap conundrum the Canucks are in?

They are the worst in the league now.

 

[Three On Zero]

Bouchard is up this year, end of his ELC, hes going to want BIG money, that Edmonton doesn't have

43 pts in 81 games last year +10
9 pts in 16 games in the playoffs

This year
40 pts in 82 games +6
17 pts in 12 games

26 pts in 28 playoff games as a Dman.

Not suggesting this doesn't have alot to do with McD and Drai and PP time but its also the way the league works, get points get paid. When you factor in his raise they're in a muck.

Bouchard is also a terrible player to bridge, if he performs well you need to fit him in with the potential McDavid/Draisaitl raises. Edmonton can’t afford to try and push too much cap into the future with bridge deals

 

[Three On Zero]

And just for clarify, when a team can’t make improvements and has to rely on cap minimum players/LTIR to fill out a roster. They are indeed in cap trouble (Vancouver)

 

[Nuckster]

And just for clarify, when a team can’t make improvements and has to rely on cap minimum players/LTIR to fill out a roster. They are indeed in cap trouble (Vancouver)

actually not.

when you only need to fill bottom 3 roles at forward and depth dmen

they are not in cap trouble

carry on

FYI;

No fantasy, no what if, just data.

2023-24 CAP SPACE​

UPPER LIMIT: 83.5M|

LOWER LIMIT: 61.7M
PROJECTED CAP SPACE

POSITIONAL BREAKDOWN

Vancouver Canucks		18/23	39/50	0/3		$84,168,750	$0 (-$668,750 )
Calgary Flames		18/23	34/50	0/3		$82,250,000	$1,250,000
Tampa Bay Lightning		16/23	34/50	0/3		$81,900,000	$1,600,000
Vegas Golden Knights		20/23	38/50	0/3		$80,037,484	$3,462,516
New York Islanders		20/23	36/50	0/3		$78,163,333	$5,336,667
Edmonton Oilers		17/23	31/50	0/3		$77,530,000	$5,970,000
Boston Bruins		14/23	28/50	0/3		$77,412,500	$6,087,500
Washington Capitals		17/23	34/50	0/3		$76,186,667	$7,313,333
Dallas Stars		17/23	31/50	0/3		$76,105,329	$7,394,671
St. Louis Blues		18/23	37/50	0/3		$75,993,333	$7,506,667
Los Angeles Kings		18/23	32/50	0/3		$75,913,334	$7,586,666
Philadelphia Flyers		15/23	35/50	0/3		$75,798,524	$7,701,476
Montreal Canadiens		20/23	35/50	0/3		$75,009,166	$8,490,834
Minnesota Wild		15/23	34/50	0/3		$74,418,588	$9,081,412
Florida Panthers		17/23	31/50	0/3		$74,154,168	$9,345,832
Toronto Maple Leafs		14/23	33/50	0/3		$73,589,783	$9,910,217
New York Rangers		14/23	31/50	0/3		$71,737,083	$11,762,917
Winnipeg Jets		15/23	31/50	0/3		$70,507,857	$12,992,143
Colorado Avalanche		12/23	24/50	0/3		$70,150,000	$13,350,000
San Jose Sharks		16/23	37/50	1/3		$68,557,501	$14,942,499
Nashville Predators		17/23	35/50	1/3		$67,955,309	$15,544,691
Ottawa Senators		11/23	27/50	1/3		$66,424,047	$17,075,953
Columbus Blue Jackets		17/23	36/50	0/3		$65,145,833	$18,354,167
Buffalo Sabres		20/23	29/50	0/3		$64,040,237	$19,459,763
Pittsburgh Penguins		15/23	29/50	0/3		$63,291,842	$20,208,158
Seattle Kraken		14/23	33/50	0/3		$63,156,576	$20,343,424
Carolina Hurricanes		17/23	28/50	0/3		$59,376,917 (-2,323,083)	$24,123,083
Arizona Coyotes		13/23	28/50	1/3		$56,438,810 (-5,261,190)	$27,061,190
Detroit Red Wings		15/23	28/50	1/3		$52,834,722 (-8,865,278)	$30,665,278
New Jersey Devils		12/23	27/50	0/3		$49,217,500 (-12,482,500)	$34,282,500
Anaheim Ducks		15/23	31/50	0/3		$44,451,667 (-17,248,333)	$39,048,333
Chicago Blackhawks		13/23	35/50	1/3		$41,655,123 (-20,044,877)	$41,844,877

Vancouver is the only team OVER the estimated cap with only 18 players under contract, NHL players that have at least a few games.

Yes I agree they could ice an AHL team and be under if they let a few walk away for free.

They are in cap hell by every media's hockey experts and just about every article written or conversation about them, the cap problems comes up as the primary concern over team performance or improvement.

The words "Cap Hell" are commonly used by hockey experts.

What would you call cap hell if not the cap conundrum the Canucks are in?

They are the worst in the league now.

What type of players do they need to fill with those 4 spots, is it top end or depth?

GO LOOK IT UP

LAST TIME I CHECKED IT WAS BOTTOM 3 FORWARDS AND DEPTH DMEN

Learn to accept when you're wrong, this getting really pathetic

In your effort to get the magic "gotcha" you just take snippets of info and do no research.

ALL OF THEIR TOP END PLAYERS ARE SIGNED.

Most teams have 4-5 players in depth roles and bottom 3 making league minimum, and this is all they need the cap room for. You think they are in cap trouble because they want to sign Kyle Burroughs to a 6 year 8 mil contract?

You think Aman is going to garner 4 years at 5 mil?
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Jesus do some damn research before you respond

 

[Three On Zero]

actually not.

when you only need to fill bottom 3 roles at forward and depth dmen

they are not in cap trouble

carry on

The teams needs more than “bottom 3” roles to be a good team.

Now they do have some flexibility to
Make cap out/cap on deals but with how the team has performed they are going to be selling low on most players. If you’re coming off a season as a lower end team with no cap space to fix your top end, that is cap hell.

In a perfect world they can move out Garland, Myers and Boeser with no retention, but let’s be honest. This isn’t a perfect world.

On paper they are fine but do you not want to see the team progress? Or would you prefer them to just fill the roste, ice a team and stagnate another year?

 

[Nuckster]

The teams needs more than “bottom 3” roles to be a good team.

Now they do have some flexibility to
Make cap out/cap on deals but with how the team has performed they are going to be selling low on most players. If you’re coming off a season as a lower end team with no cap space to fix your top end, that is cap hell.

In a perfect world they can move out Garland, Myers and Boeser with no retention, but let’s be honest. This isn’t a perfect world.

On paper they are fine but do you not want to see the team progress? Or would you prefer them to just fill the roste, ice a team and stagnate another year?

Teams in Cap Hell for 2023/2024

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[Golden_Jet]

FYI;

No fantasy, no what if, just data.

2023-24 CAP SPACE​

UPPER LIMIT: 83.5M|

LOWER LIMIT: 61.7M
PROJECTED CAP SPACE

POSITIONAL BREAKDOWN

Vancouver Canucks		18/23	39/50	0/3		$84,168,750	$0 (-$668,750 )
Calgary Flames		18/23	34/50	0/3		$82,250,000	$1,250,000
Tampa Bay Lightning		16/23	34/50	0/3		$81,900,000	$1,600,000
Vegas Golden Knights		20/23	38/50	0/3		$80,037,484	$3,462,516
New York Islanders		20/23	36/50	0/3		$78,163,333	$5,336,667
Edmonton Oilers		17/23	31/50	0/3		$77,530,000	$5,970,000
Boston Bruins		14/23	28/50	0/3		$77,412,500	$6,087,500
Washington Capitals		17/23	34/50	0/3		$76,186,667	$7,313,333
Dallas Stars		17/23	31/50	0/3		$76,105,329	$7,394,671
St. Louis Blues		18/23	37/50	0/3		$75,993,333	$7,506,667
Los Angeles Kings		18/23	32/50	0/3		$75,913,334	$7,586,666
Philadelphia Flyers		15/23	35/50	0/3		$75,798,524	$7,701,476
Montreal Canadiens		20/23	35/50	0/3		$75,009,166	$8,490,834
Minnesota Wild		15/23	34/50	0/3		$74,418,588	$9,081,412
Florida Panthers		17/23	31/50	0/3		$74,154,168	$9,345,832
Toronto Maple Leafs		14/23	33/50	0/3		$73,589,783	$9,910,217
New York Rangers		14/23	31/50	0/3		$71,737,083	$11,762,917
Winnipeg Jets		15/23	31/50	0/3		$70,507,857	$12,992,143
Colorado Avalanche		12/23	24/50	0/3		$70,150,000	$13,350,000
San Jose Sharks		16/23	37/50	1/3		$68,557,501	$14,942,499
Nashville Predators		17/23	35/50	1/3		$67,955,309	$15,544,691
Ottawa Senators		11/23	27/50	1/3		$66,424,047	$17,075,953
Columbus Blue Jackets		17/23	36/50	0/3		$65,145,833	$18,354,167
Buffalo Sabres		20/23	29/50	0/3		$64,040,237	$19,459,763
Pittsburgh Penguins		15/23	29/50	0/3		$63,291,842	$20,208,158
Seattle Kraken		14/23	33/50	0/3		$63,156,576	$20,343,424
Carolina Hurricanes		17/23	28/50	0/3		$59,376,917 (-2,323,083)	$24,123,083
Arizona Coyotes		13/23	28/50	1/3		$56,438,810 (-5,261,190)	$27,061,190
Detroit Red Wings		15/23	28/50	1/3		$52,834,722 (-8,865,278)	$30,665,278
New Jersey Devils		12/23	27/50	0/3		$49,217,500 (-12,482,500)	$34,282,500
Anaheim Ducks		15/23	31/50	0/3		$44,451,667 (-17,248,333)	$39,048,333
Chicago Blackhawks		13/23	35/50	1/3		$41,655,123 (-20,044,877)	$41,844,877

Vancouver is the only team OVER the estimated cap with only 18 players under contract, NHL players that have at least a few games.

Yes I agree they could ice an AHL team and be under if they let a few walk away for free.

They are in cap hell by every media's hockey experts and just about every article written or conversation about them, the cap problems comes up as the primary concern over team performance or improvement.

The words "Cap Hell" are commonly used by hockey experts.

What would you call cap hell if not the cap conundrum the Canucks are in?

They are the worst in the league now.

Ya it looks like the Canucks are in bad shape, wonder how much they give Kratsov.

 

[EbonyRaptor]

As a Hawks fan - I'm sitting here in Cap heaven really enjoying the teeth gnashing. If the plan goes to form - the salary cap doesn't go up more than $1M, whereupon the line to make a trade with Chicago to take on your refuse will quickly form. Make sure you have a 1st round pick in your pocket to make a deal. No pushing in line - Chicago has enough cap space to go around.

 

[Matty Sundin]

Vancouver cap situation is actually quite ugly it’s fascinating. I get there’s a way out of it but it’s obviously something that can’t be ignored.

 

[Ace]

I enjoy someone is arguing that Vancouver can add cheap players and be fine. As if they’re running back a cup contender.