Teams in Cap Hell for 2023/2024

[Dr Jan Itor]

Faber fills one of the Dumba/Klingberg spots.

The hope (again) is that Rossi is ready for regular NHL top 9 time.

Foligno, and to a probably lesser extent Zuccarello, are trade candidates.

Can't make any major upgrades, but also don't have to make any unwanted moves just to be compliant.

 

[Ace]

what about 'capurgatory'?

That’s having Terry Pegula as an owner

So are PP Points worth less? Does a win if you win on the PP not count?

Let’s ask Edmonton. They have plenty of time to answer.

 

[GirardSpinorama]

Umm

I think I said in the OP why I didn't include the Canucks

I will REPEAT IT here for you

The reason is, the POINT is, that the Canucks, when accounting for LTIR are cap compliant AND have a full roster

The teams listed have little to no cap space and have a ton of players to sign to fill out a roster

Yes the canucks cant make moves to improve without trading out salary, but they still have a team they can ice.

The other teams CANNOT even ice a team, I would think this is a problem

Thanks

Pretty sure most of those teams can if they just sign cap minimum players or just go with 22 man rosters.

 

[Nuckster]

Pretty sure most of those teams can if they just sign cap minimum players or just go with 22 man rosters.

pretty sure your math doesn't work. I've explained the math prior. Have a read.

 

[Golden_Jet]

So are PP Points worth less? Does a win if you win on the PP not count?

Alot here don't seem to understand players don't get dinged on contracts for pp points lol

71 of McDavid's 153 points this year were on the powerplay, I guess he shouldn't be paid 13 mil or whatever it is, since pp points dont count

When 90% of points are PP ya it’s factored in. Probably comes in around the same as Dobson.

 

[BCNate]

Poolman is done. He has had concussion after concussion and has tried to come back 3 times in the past 2 years only to be shut down. To assume he can come back is silly.

Second, even if they don't get the LTIR on Poolman, there's Pearson who's career may also be over. In his post season interview he said he is just focused on trying to live a normal life....but even assume both of those players come back somehow....

Tyler Myers has a $6 mil contract. On Sept 1 he gets paid $5 mil of that $6 mil. Therefore, on a cash basis he's due only $1 mil. He's a 6'6" RD who can skate and is physical, with a $6 mil cap hit but only $1 mil cash salary and his contract expires after the 2023/24 season. So he's a prime UFA rental at the deadline.

I am pretty sure a cap floor team would happily take that on, even just for the season to flip him at the deadline where he will get a 2nd round pick or even more. Particularly given the demand for big RD who can skate in the league. Every playoff team will happily buy him as a rental at the deadline, and a cap floor team would be happy to have that asset to flip for picks as they try and rebuild.

That ignores the fact they will move one of Beuvillier or Garland (or both) in the offseason. And Beuvillier is easily moved. He was .62 ppg with the Canucks, has been good in the playoffs, and is on a 4.5 mil contract that's expiring (again, an asset a bottom feeder team will love even for deadline trades and return). Garland may be a bit tougher but his stats show 5 on 5 he's been on of the best in the league. Canucks have a plethora of wingers so moving one of both of those guys doesn't hurt them.

Hell, with all of Chicago's cap space, and Bedard coming I could see Chicago happily taking all three of those players. Bedard is going to need some NHL players around him, and right now Chicago is a wasteland.

Basically, that Canucks have alot of options on the table. If they retain some "cap" on Myers and Beuvillier they are well into cap compliance even if Pearson and Poolman are back. And given both those contracts expire, it means nothing to them (Canucks) to retain for one year. Is it optimal? No because it would be better to keep them and move them at the deadline for picks but so be it.

My guess is Poolman is done so this issue is moot. They are only 600k over the cap (and importantly have a FULL roster). After next season they have alot of flexiblity so they would just have to sit tight (sadly) and go with what they have for one more year.

There is a misnomer in the media that the Canucks are in "cap trouble". No they are not.

If they want to make moves to address holes and make big improvements, then correct they don't have the cap to do so.

But if they stand pat they can ice a full roster. This is not cap hell

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My only hope is that the Canucks do not buy anyone out, or add picks/prospects to move cap.

I get we don't have a ton of high end prospects, but Hoglander, Karlsson, Raty, Podkolzin are all NHL ready and provide solid depth up front. Klimovich and McDonaugh are not far off either.
Hirose, Johansson, Rathbone, Wolanin are all NHL ready or close on D. Again, not a whole lot of star power, but these guys will rotate in and out of the lineup for a few games at a time and be serviceable.

We desperately need 2 top 4 D, #3 C, and a #2 G. Those are the big holes in the lineup that are preventing us from competing. Hopefully we use the $5 mil in LTIR fill 1 hole. If Garland and/or Boeser can be dealt for minimal return, that would allow us to fill 1 or 2 more of the holes. Myers and Beauvillier come off next year and hopefully that money can be used round out the lineup.

I like a lot of the moves that Allvin has made, I think he has found some really solid value. I'm confident he will have a strong offseason and add a few pieces to the roster.

 

[BayStBullies]

Can anyone let me know the tax rates for the current final 4 teams? I bet you will see a connection.

 

[HighLifeManIsHigh]

All year Oilers’ fans defended the PP numbers, hell so did their captain in an interview in between periods during game 6, “they all count”. Now all of a sudden, Bouchard’s numbers don’t mean as much because he got most of them on the PP.

Go figure

 

[Golden_Jet]

Can anyone let me know the tax rates for the current final 4 teams? I bet you will see a connection.

Guess there’s a first time for everything

 

[Nuckster]

All year Oilers’ fans defended the PP numbers, hell so did their captain in an interview in between periods during game 6, “they all count”. Now all of a sudden, Bouchard’s numbers don’t mean as much because he got most of them on the PP.

Go figure

Agreed, and when it comes to contracts, PP or special teams points are not 'worth less" than 5 on 5 points. Only advanced stats nerds think so, agents and teams dont, this is what our friend doesn't seem to understand.

His assumption is clearly that points on the PP aren't 'worth as much because 5 on 5 points are harder to get".

Yup 5 on 5 play is a better reflection of a true talent. That being said, its not how contracts are determined, a point is a point regardless where it came from.

Moreover, most high end offensive players have alot of points on the PP, its common sense, since they get alot of PP time.

If our friend's view is correct, I guess McDavid got 6 million too much since 1/2 his points come on the PP lol.

 

[theguardianII]

I'm not suggesting the Canucks are a strong team without making any changes, but our biggest issues were awful goaltending, poor defense (both producing and defending), and a historically bad PK.

Getting Mikheyev back will help to addess the PK. He looked really good and was producing up until he got surgery. He was playing with an injured knee up unti that point. He will help, and his $ is already on the books.

Hronek should also help address our the right side of our D as well. He isn't a shutdown D by any means, but moves the puck well and puts up points. Despite being poor defensively, our D core didn't produce much aside from Hughes. Hronek will help in that regard.

Demko came back from injury and played like Demko. He was awful in the early season prior to getting shut down, I have to assume it was injury driven. If Demko plays to his standard, we do not have an issue in goal.

Again, not suggesting they are going to light the world on fire, but just having these 3 back will be huge, especially when they are already on the books.

The cap plays hell with the Canucks, they have to try to be under the cap before the start of the season even if they have players they will put on LTIR once the season starts because they cannot accrue any cap space during the year if they are using LTIR to become cap compliant

The last third of the season was mostly comprised of playing meaningless games against teams tanking and those that were content knowing they were in the playoffs already so basically coasting.

The last third of the season has no impact on the following season just look at most of the previous 6 seasons.

from puckpedia;

Long Term Injured Reserve (LTIR) - High Level Overview​

• To qualify for LTIR, a player must be expected to miss at least 10 NHL Games AND 24 days of the NHL season
• When a player is on LTIR, a team may exceed the salary cap. Despite the common misconception, LTIR does not remove a Cap Hit from a team’s overall Cap Hit, it just potentially allows the team to exceed the salary cap.
• The amount that a team may exceed the salary cap due to LTIR is commonly referred to as the “LTIR Pool”
• If a team is cap compliant on opening day without using LTIR, or uses LTIR at any point during the season, the LTIR Pool is the Cap Hit of the LTIR player less the team’s cap space when the player goes on LTIR. For example, if a player with a $4M Cap Hit goes on LTIR when the team has $100K of Cap Space, the LTIR pool is $3.9M ($4M-$0.1M). Because of this, team’s often make several roster moves right before a player goes on LTIR in order to be as close to the cap as possible, in order to maximize the LTIR Pool
• If a team cannot be cap compliant on opening day without using LTIR, the LTIR Pool is the amount the team exceeds the Cap. For example, if a team is $3M over the Cap and places a player on LTIR with a $4M Cap Hit for the opening roster submission, the LTIR Pool is the $3M that the team exceeded the cap
• While on LTIR, Cap Space is no longer accrued, meaning any portion of the LTIR pool not used cannot be used later.
• When a player comes off LTIR, the team’s annual cap hit for that day must be under the Cap

 

[BCNate]

The cap plays hell with the Canucks, they have to try to be under the cap before the start of the season even if they have players they will put on LTIR once the season starts because they cannot accrue any cap space during the year if they are using LTIR to become cap compliant

The last third of the season was mostly comprised of playing meaningless games against teams tanking and those that were content knowing they were in the playoffs already so basically coasting.

The last third of the season has no impact on the following season just look at most of the previous 6 seasons.

from puckpedia;

Long Term Injured Reserve (LTIR) - High Level Overview​

• To qualify for LTIR, a player must be expected to miss at least 10 NHL Games AND 24 days of the NHL season
• When a player is on LTIR, a team may exceed the salary cap. Despite the common misconception, LTIR does not remove a Cap Hit from a team’s overall Cap Hit, it just potentially allows the team to exceed the salary cap.
• The amount that a team may exceed the salary cap due to LTIR is commonly referred to as the “LTIR Pool”
• If a team is cap compliant on opening day without using LTIR, or uses LTIR at any point during the season, the LTIR Pool is the Cap Hit of the LTIR player less the team’s cap space when the player goes on LTIR. For example, if a player with a $4M Cap Hit goes on LTIR when the team has $100K of Cap Space, the LTIR pool is $3.9M ($4M-$0.1M). Because of this, team’s often make several roster moves right before a player goes on LTIR in order to be as close to the cap as possible, in order to maximize the LTIR Pool
• If a team cannot be cap compliant on opening day without using LTIR, the LTIR Pool is the amount the team exceeds the Cap. For example, if a team is $3M over the Cap and places a player on LTIR with a $4M Cap Hit for the opening roster submission, the LTIR Pool is the $3M that the team exceeded the cap
• While on LTIR, Cap Space is no longer accrued, meaning any portion of the LTIR pool not used cannot be used later.
• When a player comes off LTIR, the team’s annual cap hit for that day must be under the Cap

I didn't make any reference at all to the last third of the season in my post, not sure why you are bringing that in to things. All I'm saying is that the Canucks have 3 pretty good pieces included in their current cap that were unable to help the team most of the year.

I get LTIR and how it works. It's up to PA and JR to make it work for the team.

 

[wintersej]

So are PP Points worth less? Does a win if you win on the PP not count?

Alot here don't seem to understand players don't get dinged on contracts for pp points lol

71 of McDavid's 153 points this year were on the powerplay, I guess he shouldn't be paid 13 mil or whatever it is, since pp points dont count

I think there are valid questions about the value of points on the PP when you are plopping into an all time great PP that didn’t need you all regular season.

 

[theguardianII]

I didn't make any reference at all to the last third of the season in my post, not sure why you are bringing that in to things. All I'm saying is that the Canucks have 3 pretty good pieces included in their current cap that were unable to help the team most of the year.

I get LTIR and how it works. It's up to PA and JR to make it work for the team.

I brought it up because your post sounded like you expect them to suddenly be a contender, better than they have proven to be year after year.

The three pretty good?
Another reason to mention the last third of the season. Demko's best performance was in last third of meaningless games. The same as the previous year
I do hope he was okay again if trade talk come up. But as a starter he hasn't shone well under pressure games. Small sample size but waiting year after year to see an uptick is wasting away other player's careers.

Mik might help but the team surely needs more than another 29 yr old 20 goal scorer at 4.75 mil a year.

Don't know the third but I am sure Horvat's 30 goals had a lot to do with the few wins they had and now that is gone with no replacement.

But stopping goals is/was the bigger need

 

[Nuckster]

The cap plays hell with the Canucks, they have to try to be under the cap before the start of the season even if they have players they will put on LTIR once the season starts because they cannot accrue any cap space during the year if they are using LTIR to become cap compliant

The last third of the season was mostly comprised of playing meaningless games against teams tanking and those that were content knowing they were in the playoffs already so basically coasting.

The last third of the season has no impact on the following season just look at most of the previous 6 seasons.

from puckpedia;

Long Term Injured Reserve (LTIR) - High Level Overview​

• To qualify for LTIR, a player must be expected to miss at least 10 NHL Games AND 24 days of the NHL season
• When a player is on LTIR, a team may exceed the salary cap. Despite the common misconception, LTIR does not remove a Cap Hit from a team’s overall Cap Hit, it just potentially allows the team to exceed the salary cap.
• The amount that a team may exceed the salary cap due to LTIR is commonly referred to as the “LTIR Pool”
• If a team is cap compliant on opening day without using LTIR, or uses LTIR at any point during the season, the LTIR Pool is the Cap Hit of the LTIR player less the team’s cap space when the player goes on LTIR. For example, if a player with a $4M Cap Hit goes on LTIR when the team has $100K of Cap Space, the LTIR pool is $3.9M ($4M-$0.1M). Because of this, team’s often make several roster moves right before a player goes on LTIR in order to be as close to the cap as possible, in order to maximize the LTIR Pool
• If a team cannot be cap compliant on opening day without using LTIR, the LTIR Pool is the amount the team exceeds the Cap. For example, if a team is $3M over the Cap and places a player on LTIR with a $4M Cap Hit for the opening roster submission, the LTIR Pool is the $3M that the team exceeded the cap
• While on LTIR, Cap Space is no longer accrued, meaning any portion of the LTIR pool not used cannot be used later.
• When a player comes off LTIR, the team’s annual cap hit for that day must be under the Cap

Assuming the Canucks have LTIR space, they are 600k over the cap. Do some research before you scream cap hell.

As the other poster mentioned, we aren't in cap hell. We won't be able to improve but we can come back with the same roster and be 600k over. That's not a problem that can't easily be solved.

It also ignores that Meyers post his 5 mil bonus is a 1 mil cash cost to any team. He's easily moved to low cap / cap floor teams, and his contract expires so they are getting a player they can flip at the deadline for picks/prospects.

Also ignores an easy ability to move a player like Beuvillier who had .62ppg with the Canucks, has proven he's a playoff performer, also on an expiring contract, and only paid 4.5 mil. I am not saying I woudn't prefer the canucks to keep him and get the deadline deal return themselves if he's moving but they have easy outs.

 

[General Disarray]

How can you create this thread and not include the Canucks lol

 

[Nuckster]

How can you create this thread and not include the Canucks lol

See my last post and many posts about it.

The canucks aren't in cap hell. They are 600k over the cap with a FULL roster

I explained in the OP, the POINT of this was about teams who have little to no cap space and can't field a full roster (often having more than 7-8 players to sign)

That is NOT the canucks situation. They won't be able to improve, but they can ice their same roster and effectively be fine. Wait a year and the cap issues are gone, and they can improve.

Please read the OP before you comment

 

[theguardianII]

Assuming the Canucks have LTIR space, they are 600k over the cap. Do some research before you scream cap hell.

As the other poster mentioned, we aren't in cap hell. We won't be able to improve but we can come back with the same roster and be 600k over. That's not a problem that can't easily be solved.

It also ignores that Meyers post his 5 mil bonus is a 1 mil cash cost to any team. He's easily moved to low cap / cap floor teams, and his contract expires so they are getting a player they can flip at the deadline for picks/prospects.

Also ignores an easy ability to move a player like Beuvillier who had .62ppg with the Canucks, has proven he's a playoff performer, also on an expiring contract, and only paid 4.5 mil. I am not saying I woudn't prefer the canucks to keep him and get the deadline deal return themselves if he's moving but they have easy outs.

Cap hell, next year!

They have to be under before the start of the season
The have to have a minimum number of players listed on the team, some of which could be claimed if not taken off before the start of the season.

If it JUST a matter of icing 23 roster spots then it can be done but the team will be even worse.

Don't forget they are also trying to sell EP on re-signing here long term and he has stated he wants to see the direction of the team, he wants to play in the playoffs and he isn't stupid neither is his agent. Listen to what some player say now, Hansen, Jovanoski, others as well. They aren't revealing secrets just what player know and think when they are there.

They are in cap hell, they haven't done anything to change that, they can only legally go over the cap by 10% during the summer.

Cap Friendly shows they have only 18 players under contract next year and are over the cap now

ROSTER SIZE	22	18	9	5	3	1
STANDARD PLAYER CONTRACTS	47	39	21	9	3	1
AVERAGE AGE	26.3	27.4	29.2	30.6	32	35
ROSTER SIGNING BONUSES	$6,025,000	$18,185,000	$6,000,000	$5,000,000	$0	$3,000,000
Cap Hit Statistics​
ROSTER & BURIED CAP HIT	$86,045,417	$83,318,750	$54,010,000	$37,810,000	$23,110,000	$8,000,000
DEAD CAP HIT	$3,775,000	-	-	-	-	-
CARRYOVER BONUS OVERAGES	$1,250,000	$850,000	-	-	-	-
PROJECTED CAP HIT	$89,045,697	$84,168,750	$54,010,000	$37,810,000	$23,110,000	$8,000,000
SALARY CAP	$82,500,000	$83,500,000	$87,500,000	$92,000,000	$92,000,000	$92,000,000

18 roster spot filled. 22nd in the league

 

[wetcoast]

Bergeron has been playing with injuries and he pushed for one more year. I think him and Marchand crying at the end and hugging it out says the idea of him coming back is silly.

Maybe Krejci comes back

So under your ideas (which I doubt, because in a cap tight league people don't throw around 3 mil for crappy dmen, but for the sake of argument lets accept that). That gives you $10 mil for 9 players to sign. You do know the league min is like 900k or so right?

So basically you take out bergeron, bertuzzi, nosek, hathaway, orlov, foligno, and clifton and you replace them with 900k players and think they're not in trouble? What? And I don't think Krejci is taking league min either.

I guess you're also forgetting that a 24 year old goalie of their Future, who who had a record of 24-6-4 and a .920 save percentage is an RFA due for a HUGE raise which eats up half of that cap room you created.

Even if Bergeron came back as did Krejci, and both accepted 1 mil with bonus laden contracts, then add in Swayman getting 5 mil that takes away 7 mil of your 10 mil you created (which again I would contest).

So now you have 3 mil to sign 6-7 players? League min is 900k

I'm pretty sure the math doesn't work

Math friend math, your math won't work

The Bruins are in age hell, especially at center but have a good enough defense and team game to limp through it and make it work and at the end of the day with less money to go around some players will be taking a pay cut to play next season or they get more money to go to a crappy team like the Black Hawks.

 

[wetcoast]

Chicago is in cap heaven.



They need Broberg to step up, Bouchard to keep up his pace, and Campbell and Skinner to be a bit better. I think it's doable.

Also Dylan Holloway is ready for a bigger role next year.

 

[wetcoast]

My only hope is that the Canucks do not buy anyone out, or add picks/prospects to move cap.

I get we don't have a ton of high end prospects, but Hoglander, Karlsson, Raty, Podkolzin are all NHL ready and provide solid depth up front. Klimovich and McDonaugh are not far off either.
Hirose, Johansson, Rathbone, Wolanin are all NHL ready or close on D. Again, not a whole lot of star power, but these guys will rotate in and out of the lineup for a few games at a time and be serviceable.

We desperately need 2 top 4 D, #3 C, and a #2 G. Those are the big holes in the lineup that are preventing us from competing. Hopefully we use the $5 mil in LTIR fill 1 hole. If Garland and/or Boeser can be dealt for minimal return, that would allow us to fill 1 or 2 more of the holes. Myers and Beauvillier come off next year and hopefully that money can be used round out the lineup.

I like a lot of the moves that Allvin has made, I think he has found some really solid value. I'm confident he will have a strong offseason and add a few pieces to the roster.

Karlsson and Raty aren't NHL ready.

Hoglander and Podkolzin still have alot to prove as well and if you think that McDonaugh and Klimovich are close I want to have what you are having because it must be some crazy good s**t.

We also have a ton of soft players and don't play a structured game that will lead to success in the playoffs, the OP was nuts leaving us out of the mix because of the EP situation compounded by the owners' we need to win a SC for my dad" impossible evaluation of the current state of this team.

 

[theguardianII]

Karlsson and Raty aren't NHL ready.

Hoglander and Podkolzin still have alot to prove as well and if you think that McDonaugh and Klimovich are close I want to have what you are having because it must be some crazy good s**t.

We also have a ton of soft players and don't play a structured game that will lead to success in the playoffs, the OP was nuts leaving us out of the mix because of the EP situation compounded by the owners' we need to win a SC for my dad" impossible evaluation of the current state of this team.

Ditto on the Dad part but he would now forget an hour later, poor guy waited over 5 decades.

No rookie will be ready under Tocchet he has made that clear. And some high scoring or expensive vets as well. Kuzmenko. OEL.

Ton of soft players is a nice way to say smurfs, either in size or attitude.

The defence is WAAAAYyyyy too small. Being small and not scoring isn't helping whereas being big and not scoring can at least win puck battles, clear the front of the net and hit hard without bouncing off.

Just look at last year only two dmen actually could hit Schenn who was cheered like he score his 5th goal of the game and Burroughs. The rest were perimeter, contain type guys who got pushed around. The media always showed Hughes taking a puck away but hardly ever showed him not winning a puck battle or if he did it was a highlight reel event shown over and over again, the same with most of the smurfs back there.

Dallas is a big team, Vegas is a big team, Carolina is a big team and so is Florida. All have a big defence or a guy like Gudas that hits like a freight train.

It is not copy cat it is what works even the Canucks runs they had a big defence or at least larger than the league average and big team, I think the 94 run they were the biggest in the league, ditto in 82 or close.

There is another thought, why don't the Canucks have more players playing under 23 yrs old? Even bottom six guys? Most teams have 5 or 6 younger players or pure rookies. Well the good teams or the rebuilt ones.

I can't wait for the draft or some GOOD news out of the Canucks and not news that "we" the fans are getting what we want, a/one mere play off appearance

I want to see something other than a 35 year old OEL, 33 year old Miller a team without Hughes or Pettersson in 4 years that is still capped out and struggling for the 20th spot in the league.

I see a total rebuild "done properly" as had been stated by many hockey gurus when describing other teams doing a scorched earth tear down coming in another 4 years when the teams stars are gone or have given up and have become "professionals". The come to play, they do their best but they don't care as much about whether they make the show or not. IMO too many Euro's on a team can make that happen once they are vets because the WC and Olympics hold more importance than a league 4000 miles away. They come here get paid and are professionals. Selling the market and giving the NHL approved lip service.

 

[Nuckster]

Cap hell, next year!

They have to be under before the start of the season
The have to have a minimum number of players listed on the team, some of which could be claimed if not taken off before the start of the season.

If it JUST a matter of icing 23 roster spots then it can be done but the team will be even worse.

Don't forget they are also trying to sell EP on re-signing here long term and he has stated he wants to see the direction of the team, he wants to play in the playoffs and he isn't stupid neither is his agent. Listen to what some player say now, Hansen, Jovanoski, others as well. They aren't revealing secrets just what player know and think when they are there.

They are in cap hell, they haven't done anything to change that, they can only legally go over the cap by 10% during the summer.

Cap Friendly shows they have only 18 players under contract next year and are over the cap now

ROSTER SIZE	22	18	9	5	3	1
STANDARD PLAYER CONTRACTS	47	39	21	9	3	1
AVERAGE AGE	26.3	27.4	29.2	30.6	32	35
ROSTER SIGNING BONUSES	$6,025,000	$18,185,000	$6,000,000	$5,000,000	$0	$3,000,000
Cap Hit Statistics​
ROSTER & BURIED CAP HIT	$86,045,417	$83,318,750	$54,010,000	$37,810,000	$23,110,000	$8,000,000
DEAD CAP HIT	$3,775,000	-	-	-	-	-
CARRYOVER BONUS OVERAGES	$1,250,000	$850,000	-	-	-	-
PROJECTED CAP HIT	$89,045,697	$84,168,750	$54,010,000	$37,810,000	$23,110,000	$8,000,000
SALARY CAP	$82,500,000	$83,500,000	$87,500,000	$92,000,000	$92,000,000	$92,000,000

18 roster spot filled. 22nd in the league

It's unfortunate in your haste to "be right" you don't seem to understand how LTIR works.

LTIR isn't applied until the start of the season.

As such, assuming Poolman who's had multiple concussions in 2 years and has tried 3 times in that time to return, is out, which is highly probable theres 2.5 mil

Pearson, end of season said, he just wants to be able to have a normal life. Doesn't sound like hockey is happening for him either, there's 3.25 mil

2.5 +3.25 = 5.75 mil
min nhl salary 750k

They have enough to pay 4 players 1.43 mil

Again, this ignores Myers who is easily moved after Sept 1 and his bonus to a cap floor team. 1 mil cash, 6 mil cap, and an expiring contract on a big RD who can skate. Very appealing to a bottom feeder team who can flip him at the deadline as a rental - there's 6 mil cap

I am repeating my post to you as you clearly wanted to be "right" vs reading.

Beuvillier 4.5 mil
Expiring contract
.62 ppg with the canucks
proven playoff performer
Same logic as Myers, very appealing for a team wanting a player for the season to flip

Ya, I'm right, The Canucks have 'easy outs' so therefore, are not in cap hell. Teams in cap hell do not have 'easy outs'

And if you're going to argue some bottom feeder team won't take Myers for 1 mil in cash and 6 mil cap hit, and the ability to flip for assets at the deadline (or Beuvillier) given they would both be rentals....pleaease lol

 

[Nuckster]

Karlsson and Raty aren't NHL ready.

Hoglander and Podkolzin still have alot to prove as well and if you think that McDonaugh and Klimovich are close I want to have what you are having because it must be some crazy good s**t.

We also have a ton of soft players and don't play a structured game that will lead to success in the playoffs, the OP was nuts leaving us out of the mix because of the EP situation compounded by the owners' we need to win a SC for my dad" impossible evaluation of the current state of this team.

Petey is signing an extension in the offseason. The organizational changes were enough to see where we are headed. He doesn't need 'another year" to see. He's also not stupid and can see by next year we have cap space.

His decision to extend is not based on whether we make the playoffs or win a cup next season.

His own agent has said he loves Vancouver and wants to re-sign long term, and they will discuss this in the offseason.

now go read my other post and realize the canucks aren't in cap hell.

 

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It's unfortunate in your haste to "be right" you don't seem to understand how LTIR works.

LTIR isn't applied until the start of the season.

As such, assuming Poolman who's had multiple concussions in 2 years and has tried 3 times in that time to return, is out, which is highly probable theres 2.5 mil

Pearson, end of season said, he just wants to be able to have a normal life. Doesn't sound like hockey is happening for him either, there's 3.25 mil

2.5 +3.25 = 5.75 mil
min nhl salary 750k

They have enough to pay 4 players 1.43 mil

Again, this ignores Myers who is easily moved after Sept 1 and his bonus to a cap floor team. 1 mil cash, 6 mil cap, and an expiring contract on a big RD who can skate. Very appealing to a bottom feeder team who can flip him at the deadline as a rental - there's 6 mil cap

I am repeating my post to you as you clearly wanted to be "right" vs reading.

Beuvillier 4.5 mil
Expiring contract
.62 ppg with the canucks
proven playoff performer
Same logic as Myers, very appealing for a team wanting a player for the season to flip

Ya, I'm right, The Canucks have 'easy outs' so therefore, are not in cap hell. Teams in cap hell do not have 'easy outs'

And if you're going to argue some bottom feeder team won't take Myers for 1 mil in cash and 6 mil cap hit, and the ability to flip for assets at the deadline (or Beuvillier) given they would both be rentals....pleaease lol

What about Mikhaeyev, Bear and Kratsov and a second goalie.