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Haula way too good for third line.

Granlund Haula Armia
Pesonen Manninen Hartikanen
Lamikko Filppula Sallinen
Maenelaenen Bjorninen Antilla

Additionally if Dallas continue which I hope they do I'm still hoping Jokiharju is the D man.

Haula/Jokiharju, I would be delighted with. Won't complain about Maata of course.
 
David OSullivan said:
Haula way too good for third line.

Granlund Haula Armia
Pesonen Manninen Hartikanen
Lamikko Filppula Sallinen
Maenelaenen Bjorninen Antilla

Additionally if Dallas continue which I hope they do I'm still hoping Jokiharju is the D man.

Haula/Jokiharju, I would be delighted with. Won't complain about Maata of course.
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Jokiharju is completely out i don't see them recalling him after already letting him go.
 
David OSullivan said:
Haula way too good for third line.

Granlund Haula Armia
Pesonen Manninen Hartikanen
Lamikko Filppula Sallinen
Maenelaenen Bjorninen Antilla

Additionally if Dallas continue which I hope they do I'm still hoping Jokiharju is the D man.

Haula/Jokiharju, I would be delighted with. Won't complain about Maata of course.
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Granlund is a better player than Haula and Granlund played center all season. I'd put him there now. Granlund can get used to it while it takes some time for Haula or Hintz to arrive. They both have been wingers in the past, but I'd put Granlund there now and he can build some chemistry with Armia, while Innala (Innala > Rajala) is the place holder on the Granlund-Armia line while 1 more NHL guy is coming.

I swear that Nashville wouldn't have made anywhere close to the playoffs if Granlund hadn't been a solid #1 center for their team the entire season. People only talk about Saros being their MVP, but I'd say that Granlund contributed almost as much.
 
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As Hintz is missing Game 7, it is pretty safe to say he will miss Worlds too.

Kapanen or Haula? If anybody in front.

OT in Calgary going on.
 
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AKQJ said:
As Hintz is missing Game 7, it is pretty safe to say he will miss Worlds too.

Kapanen or Haula? If anybody in front.

OT in Calgary going on.
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Oh no, Hintz was gone from that game indeed. It was an injury and not a suspension right? I wonder if it was covid protocol or something.

Heiskanen+Lindell if we look purely on which of those players are our best players. Jalonen might be quite happy with our D-men at the moment, but obviously we will get minimum one more defender now.

Heiskanen+Haula because we could use something more with forwards too. I think that this is the most probable one.

It's a hard choice.

If Heiskanen has an injury, then Lindell+Hakanpää wouldn't be a disaster since they play in Dallas as a PK pair.

I'm not shocked if it's Heiskanen+Määttä, because Määttä has done well in Jalonen's teams before and I'm pretty sure that Jalonen likes him. It's a similar thing with Hakanpää though.

Kapanen was actually in Jalonen's 2016 U20 gold team, but I don't think that they will ask him. He didn't have a great end of the season, including a part of the regular season.

Kiviranta or Kupari. I just don't see Jalonen inviting them. Haula would be way bigger improvement on our forwards compared to them.
 
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Drat about Hintz. If this had been the final game of the regular season with a team's playoff hopes already gone, then we could still have kept our fingers crossed it's just a small knock. But no way your 1C sits the Game 7 of a series for something minor.

Oh well, at least we should get a quality d-man. I mean, given that there are three, the odds of all of them declining seem pretty low. But knock on wood. And if Haula can come, he'd still be an upgrade over some of the names in the present lineup.
 
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Yeah i think it's gonna be Heiskanen and Haula now. I'm fine with that. Lindell/Hakanpää decent backup options for Miro too.
 
Mestaruus said:
Kiviranta or Kupari. I just don't see Jalonen inviting them. Haula would be way bigger improvement on our forwards compared to them.
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I am not sure. Jalonen does not gather 14 best forwards, but certain guys for certain roles.

Hartikainen with Manninen is a lock. Now Granlund sucseeded with them against Latvia, so I believe he has a line there.

Björninen with Mörkö and Mäenalanen are locked pretty much too. So no search for strengtening that line.

It means the possible strenghtenings are looked for the 2nd or/and 3rd line guys. Filppula-Armia seem to be pretty glued. So Pesonen with them also is a player I do not see Jukka dropping lower at least.

So in a way most probable guy that is been looked for is a 3rd line helper to fight for the place in roster with Sallinen, Rajala, Innanen. Do not see that Lammikko place is under threat.

So is the best 3rd liner really Haula? Or maybe Kiviranta could be better fit. If there was memory flash back to U20 and 2016 under Jalonen for Haula, wasn't Kiviranta in 2019 World Champions roster? Kapanen looks more out guy for that role at the moment, but Haula or Kiviranta is a wide open one. Kupari has been free longer than Kiviranta and could be quicker here, but I doubt he will get the call this year.
 
AKQJ said:
So is the best 3rd liner really Haula? Or maybe Kiviranta could be better fit.
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That's the thing about Haula - he's extremely multipurpose. Center, wing, top-six, bottom-six, PP, PK, you name it. Place him in any role and he won't look out of place. Whereas Kiviranta is basically a middle-to-bottom-six winger, and while he's a good one at that, he's not so significantly better at it than Haula (it's more like not at all) that you can overlook the upside Haula would bring in other areas.

That one thing Kiviranta has going on for him is that he's indeed a Jalonen familiar from 2019. This being said, I think that if not Haula, Kapanen is still higher on the list than Kiviranta, as he can also bring everything Kiviranta brings + more scoring upside. He's a pending RFA though, so we'll see.
 
What a let down the Hintz situation is. It would've been perfect to get him and Heiskanen and then the guy gets injured. Despite that, getting Heiskanen and then Haula, who had a good season, will strenghten the team enough to battle for the medals.
 
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IceHockeyDude said:
What a let down the Hintz situation is. It would've been perfect to get him and Heiskanen and then the guy gets injured. Despite that, getting Heiskanen and then Haula, who had a good season, will strenghten the team enough to battle for the medals.
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Yeah, Hintz has had a lot of injuries so who knows if he was already injured last game/the game before if it now just too much to continue playing with it. He had an amazing season, but oh well. Injuries are a part of hockey unfortunately. Sad but nothing we can do about it. He definitely wouldn't have missed G7 if it wasn't serious.
 
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FinPanda said:
Yeah, Hintz has had a lot of injuries so who knows if he was already injured last game/the game before if it now just too much to continue playing with it. He had an amazing season, but oh well. Injuries are a part of hockey unfortunately. Sad but nothing we can do about it. He definitely wouldn't have missed G7 if it wasn't serious.
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Yep, but as you said injuries happen. Getting Heiskanen alone would be the biggest addition so far and we should be happy about that.

And I'm sure he'll join without injuries. The management have not been keeping the two spots open without knowing it.
 
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FiLe said:
That's the thing about Haula - he's extremely multipurpose. Center, wing, top-six, bottom-six, PP, PK, you name it. Place him in any role and he won't look out of place. Whereas Kiviranta is basically a middle-to-bottom-six winger, and while he's a good one at that, he's not so significantly better at it than Haula (it's more like not at all) that you can overlook the upside Haula would bring in other areas.
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Kiviranta is insanely clutch though. In a short tournament he can channel amazing focus.
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I really don't want Kapanen. I'd take Kiviranta over him. But lets hope for Heiskanen and Haula.
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Agreed. Kapanen is not as two-way as his reputation makes it seem. He should learn from his dad.
 
mattihp said:
Any chance Jalonen would take two defensemen from Dallas and let our double duty guy play forward?
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Lets hope so. Heiskanen and Hakanpää is exactly what this team needs.

They have 13 forwards already so 2 of them injured seems unlikely. Friman used to play center sometimes so he could fill in at forward if it comes to that.
 
mattihp said:
Any chance Jalonen would take two defensemen from Dallas and let our double duty guy play forward?
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I doubt. More probable is taking Nurmi from the list as he has been in the team and Jukka is loyal and fair to his players. If he does not see Haula/Kiviranta as clear improvement to some certain role, it might be Nurmi and one NHL defender.
 
Finland's defence is not a problem. With Latvian goal and Olympics if I remember right only 1 goal is scored to Finland 5 on 5. The team works well in defensive direction and the guys in the team have earned their places and there is no rush to replace them. So no way there will be 9 defencemen in the roster.

And Hintz (Barkov, Aho, Laine) were the guys that were waited from NHL. Granlund was plan D and a really good one in that, but rest of the guys are not a must. And I believe Nurmi has at least as good chance to make the team as any NHLer from the options possible. If Haula/Kiviranta really do not convince Lehtinen/Jalonen that their life dream is to be in this team, they will not be taken...
 
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