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Confirmed with Link: [TBL/NSH] Lightning trade Cal Foote, 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, & 5th rd picks for Tanner Jeannot

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bov said:
Love it, don't give a damn about the picks unless they end up contributing to a Stanley Cup victory over us, in however many years that would even take.

Smart move for Nashville given their situation, but Jeannot seems like a great fit beyond just this season.

I'm glad JBB doesn't share the same mentality as the pick-obsessed GM wannabes on HF. This man is doing everything he can to maintain a champion now, and trusts himself and his scouting dept/front office to remain competitive for years to come.
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lol it's not about the picks it's about what else you could've gotten for that massive haul.
 
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To fully assess this deal it depends on what contract we can re-sign him after this season. He’s an RFA so it should be reasonable for us.
 
Well, despite my earlier hot take thinking it was terrible and a massive overpay, after talking with a couple ppl and re-assessing, I still think it was an overpay but the value for Tampa now is there. I was impressed with Jeannot last year when I saw him a few times, and although he's had a tougher go this year, if he can be a ~20 goal scorer moving ahead, with his toughness, it's good. Foote had pretty much reached bust territory(probably 3rd pairing future at best in Tampa), and while there are plenty of picks going, only 1 or 2 would likely have helped Tampa before 2026 or 2027 knowing the usual development track(if at all). I still believe they can grab a dman like Seeler and a F(provided Names, Bellemare or Myers is moved this week) such as Lafferty or Bjugstad. There was definitely some sticker shock upon 1st seeing the price paid, but I'll continue to have faith in JBB and his team when it comes to talent evaluation.
 
Al Murray tomorrow...

"So Julien what do you want me to do since you traded away our assets? There's not much I'm left to work with."

"Al, yeah sorry about that. I'm glad you came in so we could discuss this next deal. We want you to be a part of it."

"Really? Well thank you Julien."

"Yeah, I mean it. Like, we really want you to be part of the deal."

"Gee, thanks so much. What else can I say?"

"You can say the words I love Chicago, because you actually are part of the deal. See, we traded our last two picks of this decade and they wanted more. We had no other option. It's you, a 2nd, two 7ths, and Vladdy for Lafferty. Thank you so much."
 
With these sort of trades I always need a bit of time to think about it, as the natural initial reaction is "Wow, that's a lot!"

But I do like it in the end. First question is "Does it make us a better team?", answer is, yes it does. Second question is, is this a player that help out the team long term, not just this season? I assume this is the plan, to sign him up and then the answer is yes. That wouldn't be the case for a guy like Meier.

I don't know when we will have a core as good as the current one again, it might take a long time, 20 years? 50? 100? I don't know, but I do know that we would regret it, if we wouldn't make the most out of it. JBB proved in the past that this approach is worth it, obviously it wont' pay off every time, but by adding a player that can hopefully be part of the core for a longer period of time, then that adds a lot of value.

In the end it's about what approach you prefer, given where we are at, I'm in favour!
 
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After the initial sticker shock, might as well have fun with it. Bolts just got better and continue to be all in with this core. Looking forward to seeing the new line combinations Tuesday.
 
This will not end well. Essentially two firsts and a load for a guy that is redundant to guys currently on the roster. Right now the picks do not matter. But at some point players on this roster is going to need to be replaced. There is little to nothing in the system to do so. The danger is the roster will get filled by overpaying UFA’s.
 
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why not just get meier if we were ready to throw away the entire farm? and the contract negotiations are gonna be great when jeannot is like ”look at all this shit you traded for me i must be worth at least 5 million a year”

well i guess we’ll see. i was a bit shocked by the hagel deal last year as well but at least i saw the idea with his contract.
 
This is like a CHL trade. Get a guy for 5 picks.

It's not super tough to trade for picks, though. Do we care too much about the 3rd, 4th, and 5th? Probably not. Only because Al Murray and buddies are absolute fire with later picks.
 
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Friedman said on NHL Network Radio last week that the Preds were talking extension with Jeannot and had no plans for trading him. He went on to say that he wouldn’t rule out that they would trade him, but if they did, everyone would realize why (re: return).

Just like for Hagel, JBB went out and got the player he identified as best for our lineup, having to pay a hefty price in order for the other GM to consider accepting the trade.

Is it pricey? Of course. But I love this way of doing things. They just select the best player, available or not, and make sure to get him. Ballsy.
 
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Foote got replaced by Perbix. This guy brings some dirty and nastiness to the 3rd line and 4th line. He can score,fight, and check. Hopefully Perry, Paul, and Maroon can teach him all the tools of the trade. I see him being next years Hagel and breaking out with the lightning. He does everything you need to help win a cup. I expect Names, Myers, or Peb shipped out for a depth defenseman or 4th line center.
 
Not a big fan of all the assets given up. If he plays like last season going forward, I can stomach it, if he continues to play like he is this season, this might be one of the worst trades off all-time.
 
It's crazy to me that we're getting identical complaints to last year with JBB making the exact same move -- despite the fact that all the complainers got to see Hagel turn out completely aces.

Once again, this is about next year, not this year. We are hitting absolute cap armageddon in 2023-24, just a complete cap perfect storm with our big 3 RFA's all getting raises, Stammer's deal not run out yet and the cap still artificially lowered by the Covid deficit.

We have basically no money to fill out a team next year, but still have a hell of a veteran core. So JBB is burning whatever isn't nailed down to make sure that we can hold the core (re-signed Cirelli, Serg etc for big numbers) while not wasting a year of that core's window with complementary play that is utter trash.

Next year, we'll have Hagel at $1.5m and Jeannot at $0.75m (his qualifying offer; assumes nobody offer-sheets him, which is a risk but a reasonable one), which means we'll be able to field a competitive team. Did we pay a lot for the privilege? Yes. But most folks here vastly overweight the value of draft picks, and more importantly over the long term you're going to maximize your number of cups by making your team better *when it's already very good* rather than when it's medicare to bad.

Is this going to work out? Who knows. And it's pretty unlikely Jeannot will be a big contributor this year (it takes longer to integrate a new guy than most people appreciate, Nick Paul being an exception). But how anyone can imagine what our team -- especially next year's team -- would look like without Hagel, and not be happy that JBB is trying to follow the Hagel playbook all over again is mystifying to me.

Once 2023-24 passes, and we have the big cap spike plus Stammer's money coming free (less whatever he re-signs for), you're not going to see moves like this from us anymore.
 
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It's crazy to me that we're getting identical complaints to last year with JBB making the exact same move -- despite the fact that all the complainers got to see Hagel turn out completely aces.

Once again, this is about next year, not this year. We are hitting absolute cap armageddon in 2023-24, just a complete cap perfect storm with our big 3 RFA's all getting raises, Stammer's deal not run out yet and the cap still artificially lowered by the Covid deficit.

We have basically no money to fill out a team next year, but still have a hell of a veteran core. So JBB is burning whatever isn't nailed down to make sure that we can hold the core (re-signed Cirelli, Serg etc for big numbers) while not wasting a year of that core's window with complementary play that is utter trash.

Next year, we'll have Hagel at $1.5m and Jeannot at $0.75m (his qualifying offer; assumes nobody offer-sheets him, which is a risk but a reasonable one), which means we'll be able to field a competitive team. Did we pay a lot for the privilege? Yes. But most folks here vastly overweight the value of draft picks, and more importantly over the long term you're going to maximize your number of cups by making your team better *when it's already very good* rather than when it's medicare to bad.

Is this going to work out? Who knows. And it's pretty unlikely Jeannot will be a big contributor this year (it takes longer to integrate a new guy than most people appreciate, Nick Paul being an exception). But how anyone can imagine what our team -- especially next year's team -- would look like without Hagel, and not be happy that JBB is trying to follow the Hagel playbook all over again is mystifying to me.

Once 2023-24 passes, and we have the big cap spike plus Stammer's money coming free (less whatever he re-signs for), you're not going to see moves like this from us anymore.
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This. The flat cap squeezes us more than other teams, this is the only way to stay competitive while Hedman and Stamkos are still good. We don't have the prospects or the time to develop prospects. Jeannot, Hagel, and Paul were all sustainable moves. We actually have a pretty young core when you look at everyone beyond Hedman/Stamkos.
 
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