Value of: Tavares to Toronto

[lazycop]

John Tavares is the ISLANDERS. When will Leafs fans get that through their heads?

The day after Tavares retires as an Islander, apparently. Watching Leaf fans pine for Tavares on HfBoards is pathetic, but damn amusing!

 

[Group Chat Legend*]

leafs wont move rielly anyways so irrelevant.
leafs need D. we finally have a #1C. time for the silly JT rumors to go away

You dont have a 1C though

So I guess you are still missing that

 

[Moorpheus*]

You dont have a 1C though

So I guess you are still missing that

We have a guy with higher potential, better coaching, better teammates and better management.

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[seafoam]

Toronto's amazing management group would be stupid to sway from their rebuild course, which is what would have to occur to acquire Tavares.

 

[LeafSteel]

It's not happening.

End thread.

 

[Intangiblezz]

I'm a huge Matthews fan but there was way more hype around JT as a prospect than there is for Matthews.

Saying Matthews ceiling is higher that Tavares', IMO, is just plain wrong. I don't think Tavares' has reached his ceiling and that is while having 2 top 5 finishes in goals, losing out on the Art Ross in the final game, Hart nominations, etc...

As a 15, 16 and 17 year old, Tavares was hyped as the next one. Similar to McDavid hype. Matthews didn't reach close to that.

By draft day, the Tavares hype had died down but Matthews wasn't even the unanimous #1.

 

[Dogewow]

We have a guy with higher potential, better coaching, better teammates and better management.

You keep stating this, yet it is untrue.

I have yet to see a reputable scout or pundit say he's a better prospect than Tavares was, or that he has higher potential.

 

[bert]

You have zero proof of that.........just so you know.

Id say there is plenty of proof. You dont have to look too much further than HF. You guys in Toronto just need to relax on the projections of your players the expectations are insane.

 

[Moorpheus*]

You keep stating this, yet it is untrue.

I have yet to see a reputable scout or pundit say he's a better prospect than Tavares was, or that he has higher potential.

We've seen Tavares's potential, 85 point top 10 center. Considering Matthews is Eichel tier or even slightly better and Eichel was slightly below McDavid, then Matthews has slightly higher potential than Tavares, his skating is certainly a lot better to begin with.

In any case, he is surrounded by way better circumstances so unlike Tavares, he'll have a better chance to actualize his potential.

 

[Dogewow]

We've seen Tavares's potential, 85 point top 10 center. Considering Matthews is Eichel tier or even slightly better and Eichel was slightly below McDavid, then Matthews has slightly higher potential than Tavares, his skating is certainly a lot better to begin with.

In any case, he is surrounded by way better circumstances so unlike Tavares, he'll have a better chance to actualize his potential.

I think a lot of scouts and pundits have said there in the same echelon of player as Tavares/Stamos. Really I see both Eichel and Matthews capping out around there. Though I don't disagree that the circumstances surround both Eichel and Matthews are different than Tavares.

 

[FerrisRox]

Not happening....but isn't Matthews the best US born player yet? It sucks when the shoes on the other foot, you've had our best and now we have yours....

Where did you get the idea that Matthews is the best American born player ever?

 

[Smeagoal]

We've seen Tavares's potential, 85 point top 10 center. Considering Matthews is Eichel tier or even slightly better and Eichel was slightly below McDavid, then Matthews has slightly higher potential than Tavares, his skating is certainly a lot better to begin with.

In any case, he is surrounded by way better circumstances so unlike Tavares, he'll have a better chance to actualize his potential.

Lol what is this.

Tavares potential is still rising, he's shown he can be a top 5 Center in the league. As good as Eichel or Matthews may be, I don't know how you can justify them being higher potential than Tavares. He's proven his worth and until the other two show that they can hover around top 5 in points, and top 10 player in the league overall, I'd temper my expectations.

 

[bobg1]

matthews, thats what it would take.

No it wouldn't and the Leafs wouldn't offer him

 

[Halla]

Id say there is plenty of proof. You dont have to look too much further than HF. You guys in Toronto just need to relax on the projections of your players the expectations are insane.

or we can be happy with the best prospect we have had since Wendel?
check out hockeybuzz and the lead blogger and what Eichels projections are from sabres fans. beyond ridiculous. glass houses

 

[Dogewow]

No it wouldn't and the Leafs wouldn't offer him

That's absolutely what it would take.

 

[Makar Goes Fast]

No it wouldn't and the Leafs wouldn't offer him

it would.

but yeah the leafs wouldnt.

 

[Moorpheus*]

Lol what is this.

Tavares potential is still rising, he's shown he can be a top 5 Center in the league. As good as Eichel or Matthews may be, I don't know how you can justify them being higher potential than Tavares. He's proven his worth and until the other two show that they can hover around top 5 in points, and top 10 player in the league overall, I'd temper my expectations.

He's 26 he's been in his prime for a few years now...were talking potential not whose better now. Matthews is coming into the league on a better team as a more comple player with better coaching and management...even if we grant jt as having higher potential he is surrounded by mediocrity and incompetence.

 

[longchange]

He's 26 he's been in his prime for a few years now...were talking potential not whose better now. Matthews is coming into the league on a better team as a more comple player with better coaching and management...even if we grant jt as having higher potential he is surrounded by mediocrity and incompetence.

Uh, you realize the Leafs got Matthews because they just finished dead last in the league right? Also, "mediocrity and incompetence"? Dude, you're talking about the Leafs lmao. When they're out of the basement you can start talking like that about other teams.

And also, many players have hit their primes later than 26. Regardless of that though, Tavares has been a beast and the Leafs would be pretty fortunate if Matthews becomes the player that Tavares currently is.

 

[BayStreetBully]

Id say there is plenty of proof. You dont have to look too much further than HF. You guys in Toronto just need to relax on the projections of your players the expectations are insane.

That's your, ahem, "proof"?

 

[ichabod13]

Matthews is coming into the league on a better team as a more comple player with better coaching and management...even if we grant jt as having higher potential he is surrounded by mediocrity and incompetence.

thats just too funny to respond too......
what will mathews be surrounded by? he aint exactly going to a team full of hall of famers. he will pretty much need to be a one man army.

 

[ichabod13]

Tavares is the islanders best player game in and game out.

thats not true. hes had games where he was invisible. game 7 against washington in 2014-15 play offs, he may as well have been sitting in the fifth row eating popcorn and drinking a soda.

he does dominate more games than disappear. ill give the kid that much. but he does have off nights.

i hope tavares stays on long island for his entire career, but the kid does have his warts.

 

[LondonKendrick]

Where did you get the idea that Matthews is the best American born player ever?

He has the potential to be, fairly shallow pool though.

 

[bigbabybuda]

These thread are ridiculous because of hyperbole. First of all Mcdavid is in another realm than Matthews as of right now and Tavares was more universally regarded higher leading into his draft year than Matthews was. Those are just undeniable facts. Stamkos was not regarded near as much as Tavares was so I don't no why his name is always brought up. Mathews is in the Stamkos range and very well may turn out to be better than both Tavares and Stamkos but has a lot of work to do before that is known. Right now Tavares is a top 15 player in the league overall with the ability to reach top 3 if he ever got a competent winger.

Leafs would not make the deal because it makes no sense for them. They are 3 years away from being competitive and it just does not make sense. Islanders would not make the deal straight up because it would be lunacy from their side. Those saying the Islanders wouldn't do Matthews/Nylander/Reilly for Tavares are absolutely being ridiculus

 

[Ziggdiezan]

He has the potential to be, fairly shallow pool though.

If he turns out to be better than Mike Modano I will be extremely pleased. Modano was my favorite player whilst active.

 

[Ziggdiezan]

These thread are ridiculous because of hyperbole. First of all Mcdavid is in another realm than Matthews as of right now and Tavares was more universally regarded higher leading into his draft year than Matthews was. Those are just undeniable facts. Stamkos was not regarded near as much as Tavares was so I don't no why his name is always brought up. Mathews is in the Stamkos range and very well may turn out to be better than both Tavares and Stamkos but has a lot of work to do before that is known. Right now Tavares is a top 15 player in the league overall with the ability to reach top 3 if he ever got a competent winger.

Leafs would not make the deal because it makes no sense for them. They are 3 years away from being competitive and it just does not make sense. Islanders would not make the deal straight up because it would be lunacy from their side. Those saying the Islanders wouldn't do Matthews/Nylander/Reilly for Tavares are absolutely being ridiculus

I was with you until this point. Top 3 in the league? I'm not sure about that personally.