Value of: Tavares to Toronto

[Halla]

It was a very slight exaggeration....coming from the guy who just said Mathews has more value then Tavares lol

That's pretty up there in terms of both worst and funniest post of the year my friend. Just stop.

didnt he just say he wouldnt move matthews for jt?

and whats wrong with that? the leafs are in a full blown rebuild and can build around an 18 year old. would the isles have dealt a recently drafted Tavares for Eric staal ? not a chance in hell

 

[varano]

same realm? you gotta be kidding right?

this is like saying there are 0 players in the same realm as crosby.
but wait ov,kane,toews etc are all there.

crosby had 102 and 120 pts in his first two seasons by the way. mcdavid won't come close to that. all this mcdavid>>>>>>matthews nonsense is hilarious. Mcdavid likely tops out as a 85-95pt offensive guy, while Matthews 70-80pt selke candidate. there is not a single leaf fan that thinks matthews is better, but to say one guy is in a different realm is absolutely ridiculous. how many players in the current NHL are in their own realm? yeah thought so

I beg to differ and I think your comparable are off....

Kane and toes are not in the same realm as crosby. Also because they're different types of players.
Ovechkin is the closest comparable to crosby for what they both bring to the game as complete players.

Kane is a sniper with sick hands, Toews doesn't really put up enough points to be in the conversation of an Ovie or Crosby.

Theres a difference between a generational player and an excellent player. Mcdavid forecasts as a generational player like an Ovie or Crosby.... Matthews forecasts like a Toews or Kopitar type player.

 

[HogtownSabresfan]

same realm? you gotta be kidding right?

this is like saying there are 0 players in the same realm as crosby.
but wait ov,kane,toews etc are all there.

crosby had 102 and 120 pts in his first two seasons by the way. mcdavid won't come close to that. all this mcdavid>>>>>>matthews nonsense is hilarious. Mcdavid likely tops out as a 85-95pt offensive guy, while Matthews 70-80pt selke candidate. there is not a single leaf fan that thinks matthews is better, but to say one guy is in a different realm is absolutely ridiculous. how many players in the current NHL are in their own realm? yeah thought so

Yeah McDavid is in a different realm. Every scout will tell you that. Bob Mckenzie too. Matthews is good, Mckenzie placed him just below Eichel. Buffalo and Toronto have superstars in the making, Edmonton's guy is a notch above. I guess realm might be a debatable word but he's much better than both of them. Face it.

 

[Balthazar]

No interest, Matthews has a higher ceiling than jt

Just so you know, if they were both in the same draft class Tavares would have been picked far ahead of Matthews. He was seen as a better prospect by a fair margin.

 

[varano]

Just so you know, if they were both in the same draft class Tavares would have been picked far ahead of Matthews. He was seen as a better prospect by a fair margin.

You have zero proof of that.........just so you know.

 

[Ciao]

Just so you know, if they were both in the same draft class Tavares would have been picked far ahead of Matthews. He was seen as a better prospect by a fair margin.

I don't think they were in the same draft class, we're they?

Matthews is quite a bit younger and still has a bigger up-side to the Leafs, which is very important to them.

Get it?

 

[Confucius]

Just so you know, if they were both in the same draft class Tavares would have been picked far ahead of Matthews. He was seen as a better prospect by a fair margin.

Speculation is cheap. Tavares although skilled plays small and is a bit of a floater. Mathews is skilled and plays hard. Just so you know...

 

[Balthazar]

You have zero proof of that.........just so you know.

I don't think they were in the same draft class, we're they?

Matthews is quite a bit younger and still has a bigger up-side to the Leafs, which is very important to them.

Get it?

Speculation is cheap. Tavares although skilled plays small and is a bit of a floater. Mathews is skilled and plays hard. Just so you know...

Tavares was SEEN as a better prospect. That's not even arguable. That's like saying that McDavid was seen as a better prospect than Ekblad even though they were in different draft classes.

Some of you have short (or selective) memory.

 

[varano]

Tavares was SEEN as a better prospect. That's not even arguable. That's like saying that McDavid was seen as a better prospect than Ekblad even though they were in different draft classes.

Some of you have short (or selective) memory.

You seem to understand that they're not even close to the same age, yet you still compare them as if they were in the same draft....

So for instance. Tavares was seen as better than Kadri...Thats a good way of comparing prospects...

 

[Halla]

I beg to differ and I think your comparable are off....

Kane and toes are not in the same realm as crosby. Also because they're different types of players.
Ovechkin is the closest comparable to crosby for what they both bring to the game as complete players.

Kane is a sniper with sick hands, Toews doesn't really put up enough points to be in the conversation of an Ovie or Crosby.

Theres a difference between a generational player and an excellent player. Mcdavid forecasts as a generational player like an Ovie or Crosby.... Matthews forecasts like a Toews or Kopitar type player.

and like I said leafs are more than happy with that. 5 cups between those 2 captains right?

65-75pt selke candidate? nothing wrong with it. people need to really let the mcdavid comparisons go. its a case of the leafs cant have anything nice so lets crap on it. almost as ridiculous as saying JT> Matthews,marner and rielly

 

[Mad Brills*]

We all know Mcdavid's better than Matthews and Eichel.

The NHL has seen possibly less than ten Mcdavid type players in their history.

 

[Halla]

Just so you know, if they were both in the same draft class Tavares would have been picked far ahead of Matthews. He was seen as a better prospect by a fair margin.

so if Matthews was 7 years older he woulda went behind Tavares?
Matthews was hailed as the #1 in this draft class since he was 15.
pretty hard to compare the top prospect of a draft class to another unless its mcdavid.

and just so you know, tavares is 7 years older and your fellow islanders fans say snow would laugh at a matthews,nylander and rielly offer. yup, laugh at it apparently. time for this thread to be perma locked

 

[Halla]

We all know Mcdavid's better than Matthews and Eichel.

The NHL has seen possibly less than ten Mcdavid type players in their history.

better ? no doubt. i get a kick out of he is in a different realm comments.

Crosby was a better prospect than Mcdavid (if Mcdavid gets 120+ next year i'll eat crow), and there are multiple players in his "realm".

who here would say Crosby >>>>> Toews or Kopitar? almost as ridiculous as the matthews comparisons with 3-5 arrows

 

[MessierII]

This will be the next big year long free agent story.

 

[Balthazar]

so if Matthews was 7 years older he woulda went behind Tavares?
Matthews was hailed as the #1 in this draft class since he was 15.
pretty hard to compare the top prospect of a draft class to another unless its mcdavid.

and just so you know, tavares is 7 years older and your fellow islanders fans say snow would laugh at a matthews,nylander and rielly offer. yup, laugh at it apparently. time for this thread to be perma locked

I'm no Isles fan and I've no horse in this race.

I do know, however, that 18 yo Tavares >> 18 yo Matthews which is the only comparison we have at the moment. So saying that Matthews have a higher ceiling than JT (which is what I was originally replying to) have no base whatsoever.

 

[ViewsFromThe6ix]

I'm no Isles fan and I've no horse in this race.

I do know, however, that 18 yo Tavares >> 18 yo Matthews which is the only comparison we have at the moment. So saying that Matthews have a higher ceiling than JT (which is what I was originally replying to) have no base whatsoever.

I know a guy like Craig Button said it would be fairly close but he would take Matthews.

Is there anything substantive to your claim that Tavares was seen as a better prospect or is it just opinion?

 

[CupHolders]

Tavares although skilled plays small and is a bit of a floater.Just so you know...

No he doesn't.

 

[CupHolders]

I know a guy like Craig Button said it would be fairly close but he would take Matthews.

Is there anything substantive to your claim that Tavares was seen as a better prospect or is it just opinion?

Button has never been high on Tavares. Not as a prospect, not as a developing player. Then again, Button is not and was not a successful GM.

 

[SLAPSHOT723]

You have zero proof of that.........just so you know.

You have zero proof of your claim. What's your point?

I ****ing hate these threads. It just becomes a **** show.

Speculation is cheap. Tavares although skilled plays small and is a bit of a floater. Mathews is skilled and plays hard. Just so you know...

This is beyond untrue, until he becomes a Leaf. Right?

I know a guy like Craig Button said it would be fairly close but he would take Matthews.

Is there anything substantive to your claim that Tavares was seen as a better prospect or is it just opinion?

Why in the world would you take Craig Button's opinion seriously? This was one of the guys that was begging us to put JT on the wing, where he'd fail.

 

[Balthazar]

I know a guy like Craig Button said it would be fairly close but he would take Matthews.

Is there anything substantive to your claim that Tavares was seen as a better prospect or is it just opinion?

The hype at the time was very close to McDavid/Crosby level...he was called The Next One by many experts. No one thinks that highly of Matthews.

FTR, I'm not saying that Matthews can't become a better player than JT, I'm saying that JT was ahead at the same age so it's not reasonable to straight out claim that Matthews has a higher ceiling (even though it's possible).

 

[isles31]

Is this really turning into a Tavares vs Matthews thread?

Yes, isles would ask for him back. why wouldn't they? Theyre trading their franchise center, captain, leader...theyre gonna want lupul and a 2nd? In order for the islanders to trade John Tavares, it is going to take a ton...starting with Matthews. JT is a proven NHL star, Matthews is not.

 

[ACC1224]

The hype at the time was very close to McDavid/Crosby level...he was called The Next One by many experts. No one thinks that highly of Matthews.

FTR, I'm not saying that Matthews can't become a better player than JT, I'm saying that JT was ahead at the same age so it's not reasonable to straight out claim that Matthews has a higher ceiling (even though it's possible).

His value certainly took a huge hit on April 30.

Dumb thread, Isles aren't trading Tavares.

 

[Deadweight]

Matthews
Reilly
Nylander
1st

 

[McSuper]

we'll sign him in 2018 as a ufa

Is this like Stamkos ? Or maybe it is like one of a dozen players the Leafs were going to sign . I can understand TML wanting to sign players from Ontario , but I see Leafs fans stating it like it a fact and yet time and time again these players stay with their teams . You got to remember they may have lived in Ontario as kids but once they are drafted they settle into the city where the team played that drafted them . They make new friends . They buy houses . They may even meet their wives there so in the end they have more reason to stay with the team that drafted them then to leave for a province , state that they have lost a connection to .

 

[seabass45]

Is it time for another "rank the last ten top overall picks" thread? I'd probably put JT top 3, but Matthews could end up in the top half.