Value of: Tavares to Toronto

[Dogewow]

A thread made by a guy with a Preds avatar and most leaf fans saying trading for him would kill us or that the Islanders simply never would trade him (which is my opinion) and you conclude it's us assuming he will become a Leaf?

Some people try too hard, but haters gonna hate I guess.

Where did I point the finger at you, or say "all Leafs fans think this way"?

 

[Willy Styles]

no 15 managers would not. zero would make that deal. IF somehow 1 gm would make that deal he would be out of a job not longer after. but there is zero chance...only one who MIGHT make that deal is Mike Milbury and on behalf of all Isles fans we can assure you he still securely locked up in a basement on Long Island...his appearance on NBCSN are actually just hollograms.

Your so wrong yet you think your so right

 

[LeafGrief]

Why is there four pages of what I'm assuming is nonsense in this total nonsense thread?

 

[Gavy]

Your so wrong yet you think your so right

Funny how he hasn't stepped foot in the Matthews and Marner for tavares thread in the polls section.

 

[Group Chat Legend*]

Matthews+ would work

With Lou at the helm, you never know...

 

[GrandmaSlices51631]

John Tavares is the ISLANDERS. When will Leafs fans get that through their heads?

Mathews, Nylander & Rielly is what it would take for Garth to not laugh in your face.

 

[LeapOnOver]

This was perfect!


Anyway, after losing Nielsen and Okposo and replacing them with Junk i'd be willing to keep the retool going and trade Tavares and a 2nd for Matthews and Reilly.

 

[Halla]

It would be Matthews+. And the plus would be big.
Why would the Isles want to trade an elite number one centre who is entering his prime and has a sweetheart contract?

rather keep matthews because he is 18 and not about to make 10 mil +

 

[Halla]

John Tavares is the ISLANDERS. When will Leafs fans get that through their heads?

Mathews, Nylander & Rielly is what it would take for Garth to not laugh in your face.

then the leafs block the isles number and have a hearty chuckle.

you want a #1C, a potential top line winger, and a potential #1dman (all aged 18-22) for JT?

lawl. leafs unlikely to even do matthews straight up. no need to move that kind of talent on an ELC for 3 years for a guy that could be the highest paid player in the league by 2018

 

[GrandmaSlices51631]

then the leafs block the isles number and have a hearty chuckle.

you want a #1C, a potential top line winger, and a potential #1dman (all aged 18-22) for JT?

lawl. leafs unlikely to even do matthews straight up. no need to move that kind of talent on an ELC for 3 years for a guy that could be the highest paid player in the league by 2018

And that's fine. My POINT IS there is NO DEAL to be made. Matthews hasn't stepped foot on NHL ice, i'm sure he will be excellent, but he is still potential despite his showing in the NLA.

Do you have any idea how many "potential top line wingers" wound up middle-6 guys ?
Do you have any idea how many "potential #1 D-Men" topped out playing #3 Minutes ?
Do you have any idea how many guys in either category were nobodies in 5-7 years ?

I'm not saying this is the case with the aforementioned. Trading teenagers with potential for a grown man who is an Olympic Gold Medalist, Hart Finalist, Art Ross Finalist and has made guys like Moulson and Boyes look like studs will cost. Though I bet Snow would hang up if Lou called him with that offer right now.

 

[leaflover]

What would it take ?

The same is it would take for any of the other 28 teams.

 

[habsolutle]

What would they want now?
Matthews

What they will get now?
Nylander
Rielly

Bozak traded for 4th defenseman.

James van Riemsdyk - John Tavares - Mitch Marner
Leo Komarov - Nazem Kadri - Nikita Soshnikov
Colin Greening - Auston Matthews - Connor Brown
Matt Martin - Brooks Laich - Zach Hyman

Jake Gardiner - Martin Marincin
XXXX - Nikita Zaitsev
Matt Hunwick - Roman Polak
Connor Carrick

Frederik Andersen

rielly and nylander dont get you tavares

 

[Halla]

And that's fine. My POINT IS there is NO DEAL to be made. Matthews hasn't stepped foot on NHL ice, i'm sure he will be excellent, but he is still potential despite his showing in the NLA.

Do you have any idea how many "potential top line wingers" wound up middle-6 guys ?
Do you have any idea how many "potential #1 D-Men" topped out playing #3 Minutes ?
Do you have any idea how many guys in either category were nobodies in 5-7 years ?

I'm not saying this is the case with the aforementioned. Trading teenagers with potential for a grown man who is an Olympic Gold Medalist, Hart Finalist, Art Ross Finalist and has made guys like Moulson and Boyes look like studs will cost. Though I bet Snow would hang up if Lou called him with that offer right now.

I would bet that if the leafs offered matthews, nylander/marner, and rielly for JT they would take in a heartbeat. ridiculous valuation.
like I said, I wouldnt even do matthews straight up. leafs dont need to get 7 years older and add significant cap at this stage. matthews is absolutely untouchable unless mcdavid is offered up. leafs would be foolish to do a 1 for 1 for anyone else.

keep JT, leafs dont need him and he should be pretty expensive soon. great player though, not what the leafs need (anymore)

 

[Halla]

rielly and nylander dont get you tavares

leafs wont move rielly anyways so irrelevant.
leafs need D. we finally have a #1C. time for the silly JT rumors to go away

 

[Moorpheus*]

No interest, Matthews has a higher ceiling than jt, has better coaching, is cheaper and has way better teammates.

If I had to make an offer

Kadri
Nylander
Jvr
1st

 

[Man Bear Pig]

Matthews + Marner are not far off from Mcdavid + Puljavvari ? dude ...really ? its not even comparable. Mcdavid is genertaional...and Puljavvari could wind up having a way better career then matthews and marner. not trying to pick a fight with you but your evalutaion of prospects and value etc is not very good...to put it nicely. As for myself im no pro in this dept either. but your comparing Mathews to Mcdavid....the best player since Tavares and possibly since Crosby.

Mcdavid and puljavarri for JT I would sadly make that trade tomorrow. Mathews and Marner...Hell no.


again the Islanders do not need Reilly...We have Boychuk who can put up 30 pts, Leddy 40 and Pulock is unknown he could put up anywhere from 20-50pts next year alone with the ceiling of a better defensive Karlsson(i don't think he will get there, just saying its possible). All 3 of these guys are better defensivly then Reilly and after that we have Hamonic and De Haan lol the Islanders would have no interest in him (they couldn't afford him either it would be way too much $ on D in 2-3 years. A deal involving Tavares that you would have reilly in as a piece coming back would be a deal would involve Boychuk going to TOR.

Again could a deal hypothecially be made between these teams ? sure...it would be for the sake of making a deal ...same reason these threads keep popping up. our Need is RW and we dont want to move JT. it would not make us a better team to trade with Tor so why would Snow do it ?


i respect and appreciate your post but I think enough is enough .

Considering you just compared Kadri to Josh Bailey, I don't think you're in any position to be critical of other people's evaluations.

 

[Moorpheus*]

Considering you just compared Kadri to Josh Bailey, I don't think you're in any position to be critical of other people's evaluations.

Let him waste Tavares prime, maybe Toronto will offer our organization for Tavares's third grade helmet

 

[Halla]

Considering you just compared Kadri to Josh Bailey, I don't think you're in any position to be critical of other people's evaluations.

how dare a leafs fan compare their #1 and #4 pick to edmontons #1 and #4 pick!

lol. the Toronto hate is real.

 

[TheWhiteWhale30]

Considering you just compared Kadri to Josh Bailey, I don't think you're in any position to be critical of other people's evaluations.

It was a very slight exaggeration....coming from the guy who just said Mathews has more value then Tavares lol

That's pretty up there in terms of both worst and funniest post of the year my friend. Just stop.

 

[TheWhiteWhale30]

how dare a leafs fan compare their #1 and #4 pick to edmontons #1 and #4 pick!

lol. the Toronto hate is real.

There is no hate towards toronto ! It's hate towards people who think Mathews is even in the same realm as Connor Mcdavid. My god...are you for real ? Mcdavid missed a large chunk of the year his rookie season at 18 and come back to be a p/pg on a **** team.

He's generational...Mathews is not. Not even close. Not every 1st overall pick is...you know that, right?

 

[Batrous]

I don't see Tavares signing anywhere other then the Islanders given they have got a fairly young and well built team and the leafs are still in the rebuilding process.

Why would Tavares want to move to Toronto and see his career take a clear step for a number of years in the hopes that the leafs are actually able to put together a competitive team (which even with the moves they made this year and around the draft they will still in all likelihood be a bottom 10 team)? It wouldn't make sense for him to want to sign in TO if he wanted to win a cup.

At the same time Snow wouldn't want to trade him given he is already one of the nhl's best centres (top 7 for sure) and the islanders by the time his deal is up will have more cap space available if needed (by not resigning players like Kulemin, Graboski maybe even Halak).

I'd rather see the leafs focus on their greater areas of need (defence and a ok backup goalie) and fill the prospect pool as much as they can especially in the goalie and defence areas.

 

[meefer]

Back after a few days because Matthews signed. Yippee! And then I saw this thread (insert sigh here). Does this mean a year of Tavares/Leaf threads like last year with Stamkos? Good grief, I hope not.

 

[Sting]

how dare a leafs fan compare their #1 and #4 pick to edmontons #1 and #4 pick!

lol. the Toronto hate is real.

lol if you think every #1 pick is the same. McDavid >>> Matthews. End of story.

 

[Halla]

lol if you think every #1 pick is the same. McDavid >>> Matthews. End of story.

leafs are more than happy with toews 2.0.
should easily be better than recent 1st overall picks like RNH,Yak and Mackinnon. probably will be in the same class as hall,tavares, kane etc
not generational? who cares this guy will be one of the best.
let me know when mcdavid doesnt miss 1/2 the year with an injury.
frail

 

[Halla]

There is no hate towards toronto ! It's hate towards people who think Mathews is even in the same realm as Connor Mcdavid. My god...are you for real ? Mcdavid missed a large chunk of the year his rookie season at 18 and come back to be a p/pg on a **** team.

He's generational...Mathews is not. Not even close. Not every 1st overall pick is...you know that, right?

same realm? you gotta be kidding right?

this is like saying there are 0 players in the same realm as crosby.
but wait ov,kane,toews etc are all there.

crosby had 102 and 120 pts in his first two seasons by the way. mcdavid won't come close to that. all this mcdavid>>>>>>matthews nonsense is hilarious. Mcdavid likely tops out as a 85-95pt offensive guy, while Matthews 70-80pt selke candidate. there is not a single leaf fan that thinks matthews is better, but to say one guy is in a different realm is absolutely ridiculous. how many players in the current NHL are in their own realm? yeah thought so