Tampa defeats Toronto 4 games to 3

[sfvega]

I hope the owners and management are as delusional as the fans are. Keep blaming the refs instead of taking accountability…we get to experience another collapse next year, too

They really think it's a travesty and the series got stolen from them. It'd be sad if it wasn't so damn funny.

 

[Rschmitz]

No one tackled anyone there, that's what your team did and got away with it.

Holl did a shoulder tackle on Cirelli, easy interference call

 

[HofT]

Oh you want all contact against the boards away from the play to be called in the playoffs? It isn't clear that you guys are micro-analyzing every play to try and take the blame off your guys? Toronto is supposed to be this mecca hockey city and you guys are flat out embarrassing yourselves. It's the refs fault, man. Your team wasn't outplayed. You're not being a little whiner that we're all having a good laugh at. Is that what you want to hear?

Foote holding Kampf along the boards directly gave Paul the open lane to freely leave his zone and then obviously score. Foote's hold led to a goal.

Based on Tavares's goal being taken away from the refs micro-analyzing the play, Paul's goal should have been taken away as well.

 

[The90]

Well, Carolina is similar possession team to Toronto and got similar PP opportunities to Toronto and got a lot more PK time than Toronto. So if your premise is that the league is biased against Toronto, would it not then stand to reason that the league is even more biased against Carolina?

Boston and Edmonton had better possession numbers (CF%) than Toronto but were just barely above Carolina and Toronto in PP chances (18th and 19th in the NHL). Rangers were 11th in CF%, yet 28th in PP opportunities.

Maybe there isn't the bias you think is there?

You really want me to go through and nit pick a few teams to sway some obtuse argument? You know I have a valid point. Toronto’s play style is much closer to Tampa and Volorado than Boston or Edmonton. Which isn’t debate able, but I’m beginning to think you’ll find a way

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

You really want me to go through and nit pick a few teams to sway some obtuse argument? You know I have a valid point. Toronto’s play style is much closer to Tampa and Volorado than Boston or Edmonton. Which isn’t debate able, but I’m beginning to think you’ll find a way

Ok, whatever. You made a statement about Toronto vs. Carolina and Colorado, and I showed that Toronto's PP opportunities wasn't any different than Carolinas, thus refuting your point. You then made it a statement in general about "strong possession" teams and I showed that there were other strong possession teams that didn't have more PP opportunities than Toronto. Now it's only "strong possession teams that play like the Leafs".

I'll leave it be though. You are rightfully upset about your team losing, as I would be as well. No sense discussing it further.

To be clear, I was rooting for Toronto so have no ill will against the Leafs.

 

[nbwingsfan]

You mean like the pick Tampa set in game 6 before McDonagh scored the game tying goal ?



EDIT: Wasn't even a pick, lmfao full on interference to score the game tying goal, gotta love it "ReFs DiDnT DeTeRmInE tHe OuTcoMe"

Oh my god Leafs fans

No wonder management doesn’t care if they win or lose. They know the fans will just blame the refs if they lose anyways.

So many gam seven loses, always the refs fault

 

[ole ole]

Pretty sad for Tavares if he gets traded. Kind of hope he can make something happen for another Canadian team. Either him or Nylander is gone 100% but not sure it will be both.

No team is going to trade for Tavares. He has one of the worst contracts in the league.

 

[LaCarriere]

Leafs Fans: Next year is your year.

I feel like we've seen Kyle Dubas growing as a GM every year. He's done a fantastic job of managing this team, acquiring tools, staying under the cap. He had a vision of the game when he came into the league. It was a wrong vision. And every year since then he's been growing an adjusting and it's been a pleasure to see him build up as wonderful a team as he has now.

I remember knowing Travis Dermott was not a competent NHL defenseman. And fans insisting he was. And I know Dubas and Keefe wanted to believe he was for the longest time, but they finally saw the light, they traded him, and got Ilya Lyubushkin. And Lyubushkin played over Liljegren, over Sandin. It was a wonderful move, and just for that, I wanted the Leafs to be rewarded with winning a playoff round. But the Tampa Bay defense is yet better.

But the Leafs are SO close. I think the next step is, you want a guy like Lyubushkin but who you can also trust to play 20 minutes a game. Giordano will, and should, walk. Resign Lyubushkin, or bring in someone similar, and then bring in a guy like Lyubushkin who you're comfortable with playing those heavy minutes. Then I think this team makes it to the Stanley Cup Finals.

What I admire about Dubas is that he's willing to learn and adapt. He doesn't cling to wrong ideas of hockey. And even though he's had misadventures learning exactly what are the right ideas of hockey, he's learning and each year is better and better. Next year I think his learning curve is complete, and the Leafs will surge.

Lol wut?

 

[theimmortal1]

For sure. But I'm showing one that led to a goal, whereas Tavares's goal was called back. Why was one goal allowed over the other? That's a direct impact on the game. It affected the scoreboard.

The call was before Tavares shot. The goal wasn’t called off, it never happened. Tavares literally shot after the play. I get what you are saying and it’s crappy luck. But you can’t say a goal was called off for one team and not the other

 

[T REX]

The call was before Tavares shot. The goal wasn’t called off, it never happened. Tavares literally shot after the play. I get what you are saying and it’s crappy luck. But you can’t say a goal was called off for one team and not the other

Yup...he shot it after the whistle. There was never a goal.

 

[nbwingsfan]

When the leafs were down 3-1 to Boston and crawled back did you feel the same?

Is this the same 2013 when they then lost in the most hilarious fashion in NHL history in game 7? Yeah, I don’t think anyone feels the same.

 

[sfvega]

Foote holding Kampf along the boards directly gave Paul the open lane to freely leave his zone and then obviously score. Foote's hold led to a goal.

Based on Tavares's goal being taken away from the refs micro-analyzing the play, Paul's goal should have been taken away as well.

Foote runs into him, is leaning on him, and goes doen to a knee. When he gets up, they both get back into the play. We see guys get tied up on the boards EVERY GAME. I'm sorry that the first playoff hockey game you've ever watched left a sour taste in your mouth. If Holl wasn't so obvious about it and not checking the player defending the puck carrier in the slot, maybe he gets away with it. It's textbook interference.

I mean, at this point look around this forum or anywhere and count all the fans who don't root for Tampa or Toronto and see how many of them are banging the drum of you guys getting hosed. That it was very clearly a wrong call and that the refs were obviously favoring Tampa. Because it is essentially ONLY Toronto fans, and even some of them are taking it well and basically just saying they didn't get it done. It's pathetic that fans like you desperately need SOMEONE outside of Toronto to pin this on.

There are plenty of Leafs fans who are depressed and fed up over this, but who manage to not make excuses. It sucks for them. But for you, it really makes my day.

 

[Karl Eriksson]

What’s refreshing is fans on both sides agreeing this was a well officiated series

 

[FerrisRox]

Read my post again. Win over the Kings.

Matthews lost to the powerful and superstellar Bolts, not the Danaults

Well, to be fair, he already lost to the Danaults last year.

 

[HofT]

Foote runs into him, is leaning on him, and goes doen to a knee. When he gets up, they both get back into the play. We see guys get tied up on the boards EVERY GAME. I'm sorry that the first playoff hockey game you've ever watched left a sour taste in your mouth. If Holl wasn't so obvious about it and not checking the player defending the puck carrier in the slot, maybe he gets away with it. It's textbook interference.

I mean, at this point look around this forum or anywhere and count all the fans who don't root for Tampa or Toronto and see how many of them are banging the drum of you guys getting hosed. That it was very clearly a wrong call and that the refs were obviously favoring Tampa. Because it is essentially ONLY Toronto fans, and even some of them are taking it well and basically just saying they didn't get it done. It's pathetic that fans like you desperately need SOMEONE outside of Toronto to pin this on.

There are plenty of Leafs fans who are depressed and fed up over this, but who manage to not make excuses. It sucks for them. But for you, it really makes my day.

I mean, you keep on replying so I obviously struck a nerve by pointing out my example with proof.

But yea, same can be said with Holl bumping Cirelli. Bumps happen outside of the puck carrier all the time as well.

I don't even think you realize that was a set play by Holl to open Tavares up to shoot. Holl went there for a reason. I also think if Holl didn't dive down, nothing would have been called.

And maybe if Kampf put up more of fight from being held down then the refs would have noticed and called it.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

What’s refreshing is fans on both sides agreeing this was a well officiated series

Lol.
Overall I think it was well officiated. I mean you can quibble on some calls for both sides but generally it was good.

 

[boytoy314]

Remember when leaf fans were cheering during an anthem . I do. Mods stop censoring comments

 

[FerrisRox]

Foote holding Kampf along the boards directly gave Paul the open lane to freely leave his zone and then obviously score. Foote's hold led to a goal.

Based on Tavares's goal being taken away from the refs micro-analyzing the play, Paul's goal should have been taken away as well.

Just trying to make sure I'm understanding this... You're saying that Paul's goal should have been disallowed and the reason it should be disallowed is because a player, who was not involved in the goal, was, in your opinion, being held?

Is that what you're saying here?

 

[HofT]

Just trying to make sure I'm understanding this... You're saying that Paul's goal should have been disallowed and the reason it should be disallowed is because a player, who was not involved in the goal, was, in your opinion, being held?

Is that what you're saying here?

Yes, Foote holding Kampf (which is an objective fact) along the boards with the puck right there created an open lane for Paul to freely go on his rush without any trouble.

 

[missionAvs]

He faked it according to you so he should be good to go

Lol thought the same thing when I saw who made that post haha.

 

[DistantThunderRep]

I'm not talking about random incidences that could/should be a penalty. I'm talking about a real direct impact on the game that affected the scoreboard.

Matthews should have been suspended for the hit. That's a direct impact. He didn't even get a penalty.

Nostrils should have got the gate for that leaping hit

It's a suspendable hit for sure. No call..but Leafs coloured glasses dismiss it.

 

[DistantThunderRep]

This thread wants me to start a petition for HF that we can have a straight up Crying emoji as a like.

 

[DistantThunderRep]

This season, Carolina was 20th in the nhl with 232 PP opportunities, Toronto was 21st with 231.

Conversely, Carolina had the most PK time in the NHL with 479 minutes. Toronto was 14th with 385 minutes.

Using Carolina as an example of Toronto getting a raw deal this season doesn’t hold much water.

Tampa was the second most penalized team in the league this year. And Toronto still f***ed it up.

 

[HofT]

Matthews should have been suspended for the hit. That's a direct impact. He didn't even get a penalty.


It's a suspendable hit for sure. No call..but Leafs coloured glasses dismiss it.

Possibly. Though I'm mainly talking about the scoreboard being directly affected. I showed my example with proof.

This thread wants me to start a petition for HF that we can have a straight up Crying emoji as a like.

At this point, you may receive the first one

 

[Adrianopolous]

Get rid of Nylander. Just like Zibenajad, you will never win with players like this in the lineup. Excited action with no hockey substance. You win with Nick Pauls, not Nylanders.

Lmao nice take