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Tampa defeats Toronto 4 games to 3

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AvroArrow said:
Would you have blown up the Ovi/Backstrom Caps in 2012-2013 ?
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List of 2018 Cup winners on Hockey Reference's 2012-13 Capitals roster:

Ovechkin
Backstrom
Beagle
Carlson
Holtby (23 years old, 2nd season with 10+ NHL starts)

Orlov (21, 5 games played, 31 AHL games)
Grubauer (21, 2 games played this season)
Wilson (18, listed as a result of 3 postseason appearances)

Semin was second in points team-wide the year before and 2012-13 is the first year without him so they're definitely not running it back. In fact if this is the comparison we're making the Leafs are better off combing through this team for the guys who obviously already know how to do it right and start shipping off the players you have to hope will "get it".
 
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Chips said:
Is this bitching still going? The leafs got away with shit literally every game and absolutely had their moments where calls or non calls helped them too.


The Leafs failed on their own plain and simple. They had opportunities to make the kill in 6 and 7 and failed. They failed to kill the 5 on 3 the way other two teams have killed 5 on 3s


And by the level of bitching you’d think the high stick was as bad as the Sharks-Knights call (which itself is a bit exaggerated for its impact). It was a pedestrian wrong call.


The refs don’t see everything perfectly. They never will. Again, the Leafs absolutely got beneficial calls and non calls through the series too some accidental and some blatantly intentional by the refs (in the way they do for every team, arbitrarily deciding to apply or not based on context)

Players are generally wise not to swing their sticks around, certainly not up. Sloppy by the Leafs allowed a rather pedestrian bad call that led to a big goal.



Like I’ve said with the Sharks call years ago, the call and what happens after aren’t the same thing. A call isn’t better or worse because of what happened after. It’s what the ref saw or thought he saw and whether he chose to call.

That’s what the call is, and it was an understandable, and quite possible to make mistake any game, by a ref when a player swings his stick up in the corner and wacks the shit out of a guys shoulder, who then sold the call as basically every team does every single series trying to get that edge.


The Leafs got outplayed. Finishing is the biggest part of playing. They had stretches of control supposedly dominating the Bolts 5v5 except the whole finishing part in the last game.
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I wouldn’t say the Leafs got outplayed until game 7. Which is a reoccurring theme for them. They don’t know how to close out a series. The last 4 years has made that pretty obvious about their core.
 
Chips said:
Is this bitching still going? The leafs got away with shit literally every game and absolutely had their moments where calls or non calls helped them too.


The Leafs failed on their own plain and simple. They had opportunities to make the kill in 6 and 7 and failed. They failed to kill the 5 on 3 the way other two teams have killed 5 on 3s


And by the level of bitching you’d think the high stick was as bad as the Sharks-Knights call (which itself is a bit exaggerated for its impact). It was a pedestrian wrong call.


The refs don’t see everything perfectly. They never will. Again, the Leafs absolutely got beneficial calls and non calls through the series too some accidental and some blatantly intentional by the refs (in the way they do for every team, arbitrarily deciding to apply or not based on context)

Players are generally wise not to swing their sticks around, certainly not up. Sloppy by the Leafs allowed a rather pedestrian bad call that led to a big goal.



Like I’ve said with the Sharks call years ago, the call and what happens after aren’t the same thing. A call isn’t better or worse because of what happened after. It’s what the ref saw or thought he saw and whether he chose to call.

That’s what the call is, and it was an understandable, and quite possible to make mistake any game, by a ref when a player swings his stick up in the corner and wacks the shit out of a guys shoulder, who then sold the call as basically every team does every single series trying to get that edge.


The Leafs got outplayed. Finishing is the biggest part of playing. They had stretches of control supposedly dominating the Bolts 5v5 except the whole finishing part in the last game.
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HTFN said:
And yet "the core" of Ovechkin, Backstrom, Green, and Semin won zero. Not a lot of teams keep 14 year cores, so the first and second half of this post conflict with each other in a big way, sometimes you've got to look at what's going on and make some choices.
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Semin was an extremely 1 dimensional soft player, I know people will bring up Nylander because of Nylander's effort or lack of effort on some puck battles which is honestly fine because he deserves that. But Semin might have been the worst off puck player I've ever witnessed. But also to be fair, Semin/Green were on the decline when the Caps moved on from them.

It is something to think about for sure, Caps also had some blunders of their own. Trading Forsberg for Erat, one of the worst trades in recent memory. But anyways, Matthews/Marner should not be moved, they are our Backstrom/OV. I'm open to moving anyone else only if the trade makes sense. Nylander is on an absolute steal of a contract at 6.9M, we need secondary scoring at good value with the contracts the top 3 have, so I really don't wanna move him.

IMO we need to move on from Muzzin, he's signed at 5.6M and is declining. Sandin looks ready to step into the lineup at a much cheaper cost, that Muzzin money can help round out the roster. He's still a good top 4 D man but we just cant afford him. Move on from Holl and try and dump Mrazek. Those 3 are taking up about 11.6M of the cap + 1.2M more freed up from Kessels retention. We have to re-sign Lily/Sandin/Engvall/Lybushkin, if we can move the 3 players I mentioned that gives us more than enough flexibility to add some legitimate depth players that can make an impact, maybe even a top 6 winger for the Tavares line.
 
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zeke said:
Lmao the refs call a BS late game potentially game changing penalty against the Bolts.

Something they didn't do once against the Bolts in round 1.
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And you know what Tampa showed? They showed it’s possible to play through adversity and use that as fuel to win a game.

Someone should send that memo to the Leafs.
 
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AvroArrow said:
Semin was an extremely 1 dimensional soft player, I know people will bring up Nylander because of Nylander's effort or lack of effort on some puck battles which is honestly fine because he deserves that. But Semin might have been the worst off puck player I've ever witnessed. But also to be fair, Semin/Green were on the decline when the Caps moved on from them.

It is something to think about for sure, Caps also had some blunders of their own. Trading Forsberg for Erat, one of the worst trades in recent memory. But anyways, Matthews/Marner should not be moved, they are our Backstrom/OV. I'm open to moving anyone else only if the trade makes sense. Nylander is on an absolute steal of a contract at 6.9M, we need secondary scoring at good value with the contracts the top 3 have, so I really don't wanna move him.

IMO we need to move on from Muzzin, he's signed at 5.6M and is declining. Sandin looks ready to step into the lineup at a much cheaper cost, that Muzzin money can help round out the roster. He's still a good top 4 D man but we just cant afford him. Move on from Holl and try and dump Mrazek. Those 3 are taking up about 11.6M of the cap + 1.2M more freed up from Kessels retention. We have to re-sign Lily/Sandin/Engvall/Lybushkin, if we can move the 3 players I mentioned that gives us more than enough flexibility to add some legitimate depth players that can make an impact, maybe even a top 6 winger for the Tavares line.
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What? Semin surprised people every year and eventually earned a begrudging sort of respect as a good two-way player. His compete level might not always be ratcheted up but Semin was a solid pickpocket and by the time Carolina got him there was a certain respect for his defensive game, which as they’d tell you, was better than advertised. It was this thing people kept being pleasantly surprised by specifically because of his reputation as a streaky, enigmatic Russian.

Similarly Green scores, what, 26 points in like 35 games and tickles 40 points in the next two seasons. Still improving? No, but not washed either.

Not saying they’re better than the Leafs pieces either but it’s not really a night and day comparison here.
 
Moridin said:
If we could step away from Tavares, Muzzin and Mrazek this off season, life would be good.
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Tavares is an awful contract.

Especially for Toronto who already have 2 other players making $11.6 million and $10.9 million. A 3rd very pricey forward is simply very poor team construction from Kyle Dubas.

Even if all 3 played up to their contracts (which Kyle Dubas said they were playing up to their contracts in the post-series press conference; I am not sure I agree with him)....Then it would still mean the roster isn't constructed properly and doesn't have the proper balance.

Even if all were worth their current contracts, having all 3 is the equivalent of owning 3 big-screen TVs without owning a sofa or chairs. Redundant.

Tavares is the one that is impossible to move though, and he is the one least worth his current contract.

I keep seeing people on here and elsewhere on the internet talking about possibly moving Tavares.

Does everyone forget that he has a No Movement Clause in his contract, and that he specifically chose Toronto to play (accepting less money than some other teams were offering) ?

There is zero chance that he ever waives his No Movement Clause.
 
2020 Cup Champions said:
They have an anti-Leafs bias, anyways.
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I disagree with that.

I have taken cheap shots at lots of different teams and players throughout the years.

And I have found that my likelihood of receiving warning points has always been the highest after taking a cheap shot at the Maple Leafs or a Maple Leafs player.
 
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nhlfan9191 said:
I wouldn’t say the Leafs got outplayed until game 7. Which is a reoccurring theme for them. They don’t know how to close out a series. The last 4 years has made that pretty obvious about their core.
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outplayed in game 7? Pretty even game. Paul capitalized on a few bounces that went his way. Good on him.
 
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