Suzuki vs Caufield - Pick one to build with

[Vachon23]

Suzuki

If only my university exam questions could be as easy

 

[the valiant effort]

If this was the polls board I think this thread would be locked by now, no?

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

It's, in a way, the Ovechkin or Crosby question. Crosby every time, even though Ovechkin might become the all-time leading goal-scorer and despite the fact Crosby was such a cry-baby earlier on in his career.

I don’t think so. I think Caufield has a significantly higher ceiling.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

Caufield's ability to score goals is as much a gimmick as

Patrick Mahomes ability to throw a ball
Aaron Judge ability to hit a baseball
Lebron James ability to score a basket
Messi's ability to strike a ball

This question of Suzuki vs Caufield is an odd one and one only Habs fans could be concerned with.

But while I do agree Suzuki is the more valuable player because his game is more rounded.

Framing Caufield's goal scoring ability like it just grows on trees is weird coming from Habs fans who haven't had a player have the ability to score/shoot like Caufield can since....probably Stephane Richer.

I stated multiple times that I love Caufield as a player but he is much easier to take out of a game because he mostly waits for others to get him the puck. I am not downplaying his ability to shoot but just showing how one dimensional he is relative to Suzuki.

 

[The Great Weal]

I stated multiple times that I love Caufield as a player but he is much easier to take out of a game because he mostly waits for others to get him the puck. I am not downplaying his ability to shoot but just showing how one dimensional he is relative to Suzuki.

The one thing I hope he uses more is his playmaking. We saw it in the playoffs. If he uses that more and can become more of a dual threat, he definitely has the potential to be putting up 80+ points.

 

[Vachon23]

Caufield's ability to score goals is as much a gimmick as

Patrick Mahomes ability to throw a ball
Aaron Judge ability to hit a baseball
Lebron James ability to score a basket
Messi's ability to strike a ball

This question of Suzuki vs Caufield is an odd one and one only Habs fans could be concerned with.

But while I do agree Suzuki is the more valuable player because his game is more rounded.

Framing Caufield's goal scoring ability like it just grows on trees is weird coming from Habs fans who haven't had a player have the ability to score/shoot like Caufield can since....probably Stephane Richer.

I mean those guys are the best to do it at what they do.

They are even in the discussion for the best at doing off all time.

Caufield is not at this level even if he's really good

If this was the polls board I think this thread would be locked by now, no?

Suzuki or Caufield to start a franchise?

Some Habs fans think Caufield is more valuable to the team than Suzuki so this is just to get an out-of-town opinion on the matter.

forums.hfboards.com

yes

 

[417]

I stated multiple times that I love Caufield as a player but he is much easier to take out of a game because he mostly waits for others to get him the puck. I am not downplaying his ability to shoot but just showing how one dimensional he is relative to Suzuki.

Not sure I agree with this. He works as hard as anyone on the team AWAY from puck in order to get open.

There's a misconception that he's just waiting around, blade in the air, waiting for opportunities to shoot, and I just don't agree.

Also I had no issue with your post other than suggesting that goal scoring is a “gimmick”.

I mean those guys are the best to do it at what they do.

They are even in the discussion for the best at doing off all time.

Caufield is not at this level even if he's really good

I wasn't comparing their legacies.

Just making a parallel to Caufield's ability to shoot a puck.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

If this was the polls board I think this thread would be locked by now, no?

We’d give it a day.

I think it’s going to be fun looking back on this in a few years though.

 

[Adriatic]

Caufield's ability to score goals is as much a gimmick as

Patrick Mahomes ability to throw a ball
Aaron Judge ability to hit a baseball
Lebron James ability to score a basket
Messi's ability to strike a ball

lolol ridiculous.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

I stated multiple times that I love Caufield as a player but he is much easier to take out of a game because he mostly waits for others to get him the puck. I am not downplaying his ability to shoot but just showing how one dimensional he is relative to Suzuki.

Mike Bossy, Brett Hull… one dimensional. Many teammates with a more well rounded game.

But, they are both all time great players.

 

[Tuggy]

We have both, why try and divide the fanbase?

Seems like a pointless debate to me.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

OP called Caulfield a Superstar Winger

That’s my projection. I think he WILL BE a legit superstar.

Ah K. I didn't see that. Poor word of choice. He's an elite winger

I think he’ll be a legit superstar.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

Not sure I agree with this. He works as hard as anyone on the team AWAY from puck in order to get open.

There's a misconception that he's just waiting around, blade in the air, waiting for opportunities to shoot, and I just don't agree.

Also I had no issue with your post other than suggesting that goal scoring is a “gimmick”.

I didn't claim that he is not very good at what he does as his IQ is off the charts and he has great chemistry with Suzuki because of that. Perhaps "gimmick" came off as much more inflammatorythan I had intended. The use of the word was simply used to compare the relative impact that he has on a game in comparison to Suzuki's impact.

Cole is a very good passer and has outstanding hands as well as quick feet, he just uses these assets in a much narrower scope than Suzuki applies his assets......hence the probably ill conceived use of the word "gimmick"

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

But... Why do we need to choose between 2 things we already have?

Because it’s interesting to see where people’s heads are at. Especially when they’re so early into their careers.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Considering they have similar production right now, i think you choose the more complete and more useful player, playing at the more important position aka Suzuki. Feels like Nick can carry other players better than Caufield and has a more important impact in the defensive zone.

Caufield need to produce at least 15 points more to be considered more important than Suzuki. Can it happen ? Maybe, but i don't see it for now.

I’m not sure where you come up with the 15 point requirement. Moreover, I’d say goals are always worth more than assists. It’s a more valuable skill.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

We have both, why try and divide the fanbase?

Seems like a pointless debate to me.

Nobody’s forcing you to post here. Feel free to move on.

 

[417]

lolol ridiculous.

What's ridiculous is people who can’t understand that I'm not comparing legacies.

Not my fault you cant capture nuance.

 

[BargainBinSpecial]

We have both, case closed. If Dach and Slaf join the party, then this team is set. Dach is slowly transitioning to wing, so another C is needed. If you can sign a big name UFA winger or acquire one through trade, then you have a 2-1 combo to roll with almost every night. Beck, Mesar and Anderson/Dvorak can be a powerful snd effective third line. You just need to dump the dead weight somehow, that is Gally, Hoffman and Armia. Byron, Drouin are gone. Monahan can fetch another first, while one of Anderson and Dvorak will be sacrificed if the price is right. The future looks bright, if they can somehow draft another future Price.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

I didn't claim that he is not very good at what he does as his IQ is off the charts and he has great chemistry with Suzuki because of that. Perhaps "gimmick" came off as much more inflammatorythan I had intended. The use of the word was simply used to compare the relative impact that he has on a game in comparison to Suzuki's impact.

Cole is a very good passer and has outstanding hands as well as quick feet, he just uses these assets in a much narrower scope than Suzuki applies his assets......hence the probably ill conceived use of the word "gimmick"

I think CC is more than just an opportunistic shooter. He creates offens when he’s got the puck. His main asset is the goalscoring but he’s more than just a sniper.

Not surprised to see Suzuki’s ahead in the poll but I am surprised it’s 8 to 1.

 

[sandviper]

CC is great and I love the kid but its Zuks all day long.

I get this is a build around a player discussion but just take this in…

Nick plus Armia for example would probably still produce. Nick with any winger(s) would be fine.

Cole and Dvorak? That line probably won‘t do much. I don’t see a lot happening with Evans. Monahan maybe, but basically you always build through the middle.

 

[the valiant effort]

What's ridiculous is people who can’t understand that I'm not comparing legacies.

You must apologize immediately for including Aaron Judge on that list of greats.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Suzuki cause he's a centre. Kind of easy choice to me

 

[417]

You must apologize immediately for including Aaron Judge on that list of greats.

OMG lol

1. It wasn't a comparison of legacies

2. I just randomly selected 4 athletes in different sports who throw the ball extremely well, shoot the ball extremely well, kick the ball extremely well, hit the ball hard/far,etc and asked if that's a gimmick for them too.

Tough crowd lol

 

[BJCOLLINS]

wow only 90% I voted Suzuki thinking 97%+

 

[BehindTheTimes]

I’m not sure where you come up with the 15 point requirement. Moreover, I’d say goals are always worth more than assists. It’s a more valuable skill.

Then you must have Ovi ahead of Crosby or you’re not very consistent.