Strome or Hanifin

[Teeder9]

Strome. Elite C rarely move teams, and are rarely picked outside of the top 10. D on the other hand, I'm sure someone will correct me but Doughty is the only guy I can think of that was picked in the top 5. Karlsson maybe, but he was lower than that. Weber, Keith, Subban, etc. all picked later on.

Hedman, Suter, Pietrangelo, OEL, McDonaugh went 12th. The idea that waiting until late 1st, or 2nd gets you a #1 dman is a ridiculous bet to hedge. You take them when they are there. it isn't like any of the others were even remotely thought of as top pairing dmen let alone #1's.

 

[ragingsemi]

For a team lacking that true elite talent at the top of the roster, specifically 1C or 1D why on earth would you advocate relinquishing our best chance at one for two lesser pieces? We should be collecting high calibre assets not filling out depth charts. I do agree with you on svechnikov being the guy I want with the 2nd first. Hanifin & svechnikov on draft day and I'm a happy leaf fan

Hey man. I DID say it would have to be a GOOD draft pick coming back Werenski is nothing to sneeze at. He's a solid pick and had a very similar season, has a similar build, and even has a very similar career path as Hanifin. I think it could be deceptive, the difference between the two. Werenski will still be very good. And cashing that out so we can get one more blue chip player in the system would be worth it.

If you can get that pick through a current commodity (Phaneuf for example), then maybe you do it but I just think it's risky to trade a current asset in a trade like that. And can you imagine the pressure on the kid? "We traded the captain of the Maple Leafs just so we could draft you" That kid will be more scrutinized than Kadri, and Kadri has got to be one of the most scrutinized players ever.

 

[DD03]

Honestly, Pietrangelo could be a very good comparison for Hanifin. He's a really good skater, has a really good shot, great break out passer. He's everything you want in a defender. And people complain about his physicality? It's not that big of a deal, just look at Pietrangelo. He's not the most physical. It's also about picking your spots. If he can lay hits when he can and stay positional, that's all that's necessary.

 

[Bomber0104]

Honestly, Pietrangelo could be a very good comparison for Hanifin. He's a really good skater, has a really good shot, great break out passer. He's everything you want in a defender. And people complain about his physicality? It's not that big of a deal, just look at Pietrangelo. He's not the most physical. It's also about picking your spots. If he can lay hits when he can and stay positional, that's all that's necessary.

I'd agree with that.

A puck battle can be won with the body or the stick.

Both work well.

 

[Teeder9]

Honestly, Pietrangelo could be a very good comparison for Hanifin. He's a really good skater, has a really good shot, great break out passer. He's everything you want in a defender. And people complain about his physicality? It's not that big of a deal, just look at Pietrangelo. He's not the most physical. It's also about picking your spots. If he can lay hits when he can and stay positional, that's all that's necessary.

I always think of it this way. You want Suter or do you want the Human Eraser

 

[Mitchy]

Would be great ecstatic with either.

 

[DD03]

I'd agree with that.

A puck battle can be won with the body or the stick.

Both work well.

I always think of it this way. You want Suter or do you want the Human Eraser

Exactly. Measuring a defender by the amount he throws hits means nothing. You'd think we'd learn when we led the league in hits that it doesn't matter. Puck possession is the important part of this game and his skating and IQ make him able to get the puck. Not only that but he's a good decision maker. People are far too obsessed with scoring goals, defense is key.

Look at the good teams in the NHL, all have great defense. Do the Rangers really have that good of an offense? They're fast as hell, but man their defenders are unreal.

 

[shelf]

Strome. Elite C rarely move teams, and are rarely picked outside of the top 10. D on the other hand, I'm sure someone will correct me but Doughty is the only guy I can think of that was picked in the top 5. Karlsson maybe, but he was lower than that. Weber, Keith, Subban, etc. all picked later on.

Getzlaf, Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Giroux, Bergeron, Pavelski, Kopitar. You can list elite D outside the top 10 just like I can list Elite C outside the top 10.

 

[stymie]

I always think of it this way. You want Suter or do you want the Human Eraser

Brian Leetch would do.

 

[budzz]

...still always remember a quote about Gretzky not being physical... "but trying to hit him was like like trying to hit a piece of rope" lol.

 

[Semantics]

Strome. Elite C rarely move teams, and are rarely picked outside of the top 10.

But is he an elite C, or is he a less skilled version of Spezza?

 

[Pi]

Getzlaf, Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Giroux, Bergeron, Pavelski, Kopitar. You can list elite D outside the top 10 just like I can list Elite C outside the top 10.

Pavelski and Bergeron aren't elite #1C's. They are good players though but not franchise changing players. They are/were surrounded by great players.

 

[HellasLEAF]

Strome all the way. Don't have as much trust in NCAA as most others.

 

[Nylanderthal]

Pavelski and Bergeron aren't elite #1C's. They are good players though but not franchise changing players. They are/were surrounded by great players.

Pavelski I agree, but bergies severely underrated. Guys a stud.

 

[Bullseye]

We (I) simply don't have enough info. knowledge on what type of defenseman Hanifin is other than what I saw at the WJC which frankly wasn't at all impressive.

I have seen Provorov play and he is a mature NHL ready d-man -no idea about Hanifin.

I don't want a replay of Edmonton though soI am leaning toward defense but I aslo don't want any more of our crappy lousy puck possession forwards any more - arg - we need both guys plus Marner plus Provorov.

Hard choice. Glad it's not up to me.

 

[shelf]

Pavelski and Bergeron aren't elite #1C's. They are good players though but not franchise changing players. They are/were surrounded by great players.

Pavelski is 2nd in goals over the past 2 seasons and 4th over the past 4 seasons. I'd agree he may not be "franchise changing" though

Bergeron is an elite C though. May not be your typical elite C but he is franchise changing.

 

[Teeder9]

Pavelski is 2nd in goals over the past 2 seasons and 4th over the past 4 seasons. I'd agree he may not be "franchise changing" though

Bergeron is an elite C though. May not be your typical elite C but he is franchise changing.

Agree. bergeron is every bit the franchise changing center. They have no cup without him

 

[stymie]

Excerpt from the Hockey Bible, Chapter one, paragraph one:

Bye all that is holy, build'er out frum 'yer goalie

 

[Mike1]

The Leafs have a long history taking defencemen with high draft picks, how many of them ever turned into elite defencemen? The best defencemen they drafted during my time watching this team was Tomas Kaberle, who was picked later in the draft.

Centers with size/skill that don't put up elite offensive numbers are still very valuable & are possession beasts. I'd take Strome for this reason.

 

[Teeder9]

The Leafs have a long history taking defencemen with high draft picks, how many of them ever turned into elite defencemen? The best defencemen they drafted during my time watching this team was Tomas Kaberle, who was picked later in the draft.

Centers with size/skill that don't put up elite offensive numbers are still very valuable & are possession beasts. I'd take Strome for this reason.

Now lets go through the centers they've drafted high

 

[glg51*]

Have to give the slight edge to Strome, but if Hanifin was picked I would be stoked either way.

Strome
Hanifin









Barzal



Marner

 

[Peace Frog]

There's been a few posters mentioning trading Kessel for Jones. Is there a rumour out there of this being a possibility, or something? If so, where is this rumour coming from?

 

[Teeder9]

There's been a few posters mentioning trading Kessel for Jones. Is there a rumour out there of this being a possibility, or something? If so, where is this rumour coming from?

originated here

 

[Peace Frog]

originated here

Oh, okay.

 

[diceman934]

We (I) simply don't have enough info. knowledge on what type of defenseman Hanifin is other than what I saw at the WJC which frankly wasn't at all impressive.

I have seen Provorov play and he is a mature NHL ready d-man -no idea about Hanifin.

I don't want a replay of Edmonton though soI am leaning toward defense but I aslo don't want any more of our crappy lousy puck possession forwards any more - arg - we need both guys plus Marner plus Provorov.

Hard choice. Glad it's not up to me.

I love Provorov.....calm controls the pace of the game..he is the complete package....best D man in the draft.