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Thursday morning is shaping up to be quite the game between the Hounds and Petes!
SSM Greyhounds 2023-24 Season Thread (Part One)
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He’s allowed 6 goals in two games. They’ve scored 1 goal. One. Maybe he’s not been incredible but I don’t know if he should be the only player to be upset about.
They’ve still only scored 1 goal in 6 periods. Only two games. Early in the season. I know. But that should be mildly concerning too. If you would have asked me last year I would have said the Greyhounds were fine and would be set with good if not great goaltending this year. I don’t know how much the injury affected him last year but I now see your concerns. It just seems a lot is thrown at him on here (and nearly every Greyhound goalie over the last 5-6 years) at there might be more to look at than just his play. Maybe regains that early form. If not….Simpson is off the table. Gaudreau is off the table. Not a lot left if more than one team decides to start bidding for the best available netminder.
you're def not winning many hockey games when you score 1 goal in 2 games. lots to work on in practice this week.
2 games we couldn't score but a trend across ALL games this season is weak goals against. We were the most offensive team in league and had the most goals for by a landslide...and we're in the top 5 for goals against. Even when we are scoring at insane rate, Charlie allows ton of pucks in the net.
We need a goalie.
0-2 with clattenburg in the lineup.
58 games played he has 10 points and 128 pim. In 2 games played he got 13 pim and another 5 minute major which will see a suspension attached to it I'm sure. What does he bring? Sure we had a lot of passengers last night but he takes up a valuable spot in my opinion and when Martin comes back who comes out? Hopefully 23.
We need a goalie.
0-2 with clattenburg in the lineup.
58 games played he has 10 points and 128 pim. In 2 games played he got 13 pim and another 5 minute major which will see a suspension attached to it I'm sure. What does he bring? Sure we had a lot of passengers last night but he takes up a valuable spot in my opinion and when Martin comes back who comes out? Hopefully 23.
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I've been saying since before the season opener we need a goalie and I've said for a while now that SSM doesn't know how to develop goalies. Have we had a game changing goalie in the last 5 years? A goalie that won us games?
Luckily for the Hounds it's not too late..Ottawa is still in Northern Ontario, someone go wrangle up Mackenzie LOL.
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Tweaks are needed. Offense needs to get traffic in front of the net. Defense needs to clear traffic from in front, and not let their mark get separation in front. Goaltending has been the least of our worries.
Ya that was killing me. no traffic in front. Tons of opportunities to take a shot and get that greasy goal.
An .856 save percentage on a rather low 25 shots per game is extremely concerning. No starting goalie in the league was that bad last year.
This can't simply be explained away by the defense. There have been multiple weak goals in every game. I understand that there are concerns in that aspect, but the two problems aren't mutually exclusive.
To say that it's 'the least of our concerns' when we're scoring a lot of goals and limiting chances against quite successfully is extremely disingenuous.
This can't simply be explained away by the defense. There have been multiple weak goals in every game. I understand that there are concerns in that aspect, but the two problems aren't mutually exclusive.
To say that it's 'the least of our concerns' when we're scoring a lot of goals and limiting chances against quite successfully is extremely disingenuous.
It's our biggest concern. A solid goalie could help the entire team play better, more calm, etc.. especially when they're facing goalies like George and Mackeznie..it can be disheartening to a team.
goaltending has not been good so far this year at all. but it's not the reason we lost 2 games this weekend, our lack of offense did. two things can be true at the same time folks.
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You take a one game sample size and say no goalie was that bad last year? Wrong. Every goalie was that bad last year. For one game.
As DWI said, it's not the reason we lost two games this weekend.
I look at the goals scored (and the great saves Schenkel made to bail them out) and almost everything was open guys in front, screens, odd man rushes. Clean up the defensive side of the game and those types of chances are much reduced. I think we have done a pretty good job limiting odd man rushes, but the rest needs lots of work. We are limiting shots against but not necessarily dangerous chances against. I don't believe my assessment is disingenuous. At all.
Clean up the defensive side. Start getting traffic offensively. If the goaltending numbers don't change once we do that, let's talk about it then.
If you read more carefully, you'll see that it is from an 8 game sample size (the whole season). That's still a small sample, but we are evaluating their performance this year.
I acknowledge that we are having defensive issues as well, especially when it comes to clearing the front of the net and limiting rebound opportunities. That's definitely a major problem.
That doesn't negate the serious goaltending issues. We have been, at worst, an average defensive team this year and the save percentage is in the tank. Limiting shots, limiting odd-man rushes, and having a good PK (6th of 20) are really important when it comes to evaluating a defense. We're good at those things.
You can’t just ignore all of the weak goals and defensive positives, while only focusing on the great saves and defensive miscues. That's why your opinion appears so biased to a neutral observer.
Good goaltenders are expected to make great saves and they are expected to match the intensity level of the opposing goaltender. We can all agree that we outplayed and outchanced Ottawa and Owen Sound by a significant margin. Look at the results. The difference was goaltending.
I don't know what's going on but this is like the 3rd post that I agree with Fisch haha. Very good post. Hit on a lot of good points.
It's not the saves that he makes that he shouldn't make, the concerning thing is he isn't making some of the saves he SHOULD make.
Hoping he will figure things out. He was rock solid before his injury last year. Hoping he can find that again.
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You are right, I didn't read carefully.
I actually agree with most of your post as well. You have softened your position about certain aspects of the defense, and I will soften mine on Schenkel. He has not been at his best for most of the season. He's had one or maybe two excellent performances. The rest could be described on a sliding scale with "good" being the maximum that the scale reaches. He can be more consistent. He needs to be more consistent.
However, I don't think we were goalie'd this weekend. I just think we made life too easy on their goalies. Score in the first half against Ottawa when we had ample opportunity, and it's a completely different game.
Schenkel isn't the reason we only scored 1 goal in 2 games. It's akin to Blue Jays fans pointing all their fingers at Schneider's decision to prematurely pull the starting pitcher. If you don't score you can't win.
I am still willing to give this team more time to figure a lot of this out. I mentioned the 16 game mark as a good place to make an early evaluation.
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the problem i see with the goaltending is the goals that are going in are of the weak
variety. Know one ever blames the goalie , when goals are legit good plays and good shots,
but we tend to question goaltending when fans have to hold there breath hoping the goalie
makes the save. When it comes to goaltending confidence is key.
Dean : ? his in game adjustments. He speaks a good game in his postgame and pregame talks,
however , when he says we don't get to inside ice and we try to make every play a pretty goal
he is right but then he plays a line of Brown, Mignossa, & Hayes together. How are any of
those 3 suppose to get to the inside, no knock on Hayes who is a rookie and is going to be
a great player for the hounds, i think he would be more effective playing up in the line-up, Brown
and Mignossa together are 2 of the softest players on the roster, and playing them on the
same line is a huge mistake by Dean.
Clattenberg, has the size, speed, toughness, but believe he has to be coached better.
He doesn't have to be Ryan Reaves out there, more like Tom Wilson would benefit the
hounds. Can Dean get that out of him.
the problem i see with the goaltending is the goals that are going in are of the weak
variety. Know one ever blames the goalie , when goals are legit good plays and good shots,
but we tend to question goaltending when fans have to hold there breath hoping the goalie
makes the save. When it comes to goaltending confidence is key.
Dean : ? his in game adjustments. He speaks a good game in his postgame and pregame talks,
however , when he says we don't get to inside ice and we try to make every play a pretty goal
he is right but then he plays a line of Brown, Mignossa, & Hayes together. How are any of
those 3 suppose to get to the inside, no knock on Hayes who is a rookie and is going to be
a great player for the hounds, i think he would be more effective playing up in the line-up, Brown
and Mignossa together are 2 of the softest players on the roster, and playing them on the
same line is a huge mistake by Dean.
Clattenberg, has the size, speed, toughness, but believe he has to be coached better.
He doesn't have to be Ryan Reaves out there, more like Tom Wilson would benefit the
hounds. Can Dean get that out of him.
Blindside? Head contact? Repeat offender? Under 5 minutes left in the game?
He just came back from a 5 game suspension. The hit on Collins was the same thing. Hit from the side on a vulnerable player. Was hit but was equally as blindside.
He just came back from a 5 game suspension. The hit on Collins was the same thing. Hit from the side on a vulnerable player. Was hit but was equally as blindside.
has be been suspended for something like this before? if so they will multiply it
The Owen Sound player saw him coming and pulled back quickly, which caused the head contact. It would have almost been better if he didn't see and took it in the shoulder. Still worthy of a suspension for the reasons you mentioned, but the head contact being inadvertent should help him.
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