SSM Greyhounds 2023-24 Season Thread (Part One)
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Section5Petes
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Beck and Smith I think is very realistic and just seems pretty natural to me. Brown, Virgilio would have to be the players going back at that point + picks
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For me, I liked the one stop shopping at Ottawa because Stonehouse should be cheaper than Owen Beck, Mayich cheaper than Konnor Smith, and MacKenzie cheaper than Dom D. I don't think we should be giving up 3 players for them, 2 players plus picks. If we are giving up 3 players go for Beck, Smith, and Dom D. instead.
Konnor Smith is a good player, but we already have a better version of the same type of guy in Caeden Carlisle. I'm not sure how that improves us.
If you're going to get a defenseman at all, it should be a defensive right shot guy that is good on the PK so you can pair him with Karki on 5-5 and Carlisle while shorthanded. Someone like Nolan Collins (but on a selling team) would fit nicely.
I watched smith absolutely destroy kids last season and is tough. I'd much rather have him over toms. Keep Carlisle. Imo Carlisle is not better than smith but that's debatable. having both in our lineup would be huge.
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The whole thing about players and the deals is going to be decided on the ice and on the phones. Whoever has the better season and has the better offer will get what they deserve.
As to bulk buys I have never seen them as a good thing.
If a team needs that many players especially this year are they really a championship team?
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Every championship team, with rare exceptions, brings on at least 3 guys every year.
We've brought in 1. Just need Dom and Nelson.
I think you bring in Dom and the need for the "defensive dman" that everyone talks about is gone. Bringing in Nelson adds one more layer to the D while also adding to the forward scoring productivity all in on stop. The dynamic duo is the best choice, and come playoff time you will not want to face them.
exactly..we don't need 10 pieces from 10 different teams. We need the best available players to add to an already elite core.
I still think the three guys from Ottawa is a good 2nd choice...if we obviously start cherry picking players from various teams the costs for said players will be far more expensive than a package deal
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Yes, still probably about 3-4 weeks away from returning. He will have a steady spot as 3rd line C when he returns.
Smith, from what I have seen, can get caught out of position at times and isn't the greatest passer. I get the allure of the big hits and the impact they can have on the game, but I prefer a guy with a really high hockey IQ that always makes the right play. That's personal preference though. I just think they are kind of redundant. You don't move Carlisle down to the bottom pairing without a clear upgrade.
good points. and i partially agree with that, i just think that he's more built for the playoffs. too many years we went in with skill and speed and got stopped by skill and size and toughness.
i think he'd compliment our skill really well. that's why i said move toms and keep carlisle. idc where Smith would slot in, as long as he slots in.
i think come playoff time, a guy of his attributes would only help this club.
2018 i think you could definitely make this argument. Hamilton beat us for 2 reasons from what I saw. The first was Robert Thomas. While we were successful in acquiring Raddysh, the argument could be made that Hamilton got the best player available at the deadline, and even while injured, Thomas dominated us.
The second reason in my opinion was the size/toughness/skill of guys like Saigeon, Mattinen, and Entwhistle. They were physical AND skilled and made a lot of room for guys like Thomas. The playoffs is neckbeard season and while many of our guys were arguably more skilled on paper, they seemed to disappear that series (maybe the off-ice partying contributed as well - and no that's not speculation... we all saw the pictures).
In an ideal world we don't just trade for a guy because he's tough, you trade for a guy who plays heavy but still contributes to offense.
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the same year we BARELY made it through Kitchener for the same reasons. they were a mean team to play a 7 game series against that's for sure.
also good points. I'm not overly concerned with getting the points as we have 3 pretty offensive defencemen. I'm more concerned with a big body that can keep opposing players from crashing the net and stepping up when needed. also to block some shots.
i'm all for skill, but it seems we get pushed around too much in the playoffs in a seven game series. well built for regular season, just have had our struggles with bigger stronger teams.
IMO as always
cant just have fancy skaters, need guys to battle. dubas has figured it out the last few years, well see if raftis has too
Are there any dmen in the league like him though? Lol
Game has changed alot since Alex Gudbranson... In case you forgot that was 10 years ago Lol Alex joined the Soo in the 12/13 season.
Arber Xhekaj was a pretty terrifying dude. But he backed it up with pro level skills.
The game has changed for sure. And while the beard was a terrifying guy in front of the net or in the corners, he was also slow on footspeed and offensively non-existent. That's why I previously suggested that players can't just be there because they're tough, they need to have some offensive prowess or hockey IQ as well, hence why we see far fewer stay at home tough guys these days.
Beck bent on winning big - Soo Greyhounds
Hounds face Ottawa on Friday and Owen Sound on Saturday in 7:07 p.m. home starts
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Beck bent on winning big - Soo Greyhounds
Hounds face Ottawa on Friday and Owen Sound on Saturday in 7:07 p.m. home starts
Hounds were a little on the small size upfront on the forward lines and did seem
to loose alot of battles at playoff time in past years. They have seemed to have drafted
bigger players in the past few years. ( clattenberg, martin, gibson, kostov, etc ) .
should help them come playoff time,
i think the landon hookey trade they made last year may hurt them ? Hookey had
good size and by all reports has improved his skating quite a bit.
Fantino playing 4th line, i am guessing hookey is playing important minutes for owen
sound this year.
to loose alot of battles at playoff time in past years. They have seemed to have drafted
bigger players in the past few years. ( clattenberg, martin, gibson, kostov, etc ) .
should help them come playoff time,
i think the landon hookey trade they made last year may hurt them ? Hookey had
good size and by all reports has improved his skating quite a bit.
Fantino playing 4th line, i am guessing hookey is playing important minutes for owen
sound this year.
I agree - it looks like we have a winning mix, as long as there's enough bite in the dogs.
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