SSM Greyhounds 2023-24 Season Thread (Part One)
- Thread starter nelli27
- Start date
- Status
I think the offensive prowess is a bit unexpected, the rest isn't surprising this early on...
I understand that we have played more games than the others (6), but the Greyhounds have more goals than second place London, Flint, Erie, and Niagara combined (16 games). You see some crazy stuff early in seasons.
Section5Petes
Registered User
- Nov 14, 2022
- 1,432
- 1,557
I think Owen Beck is a perfect fit for the Greyhounds too and my mind keeps going to what Brady Martin would look like in a Peterborough Petes uniform as well... Of all the teams potentially in on Owen Beck, the Greyhounds hold the best potential pieces/collection of players for a trade (Martin, Virgillio, Brown, Kostov). I know he was the 3rd overall pick but getting Brady Martin back and taking less picks is something I would do in a heartbeat. Brady Martin and Carson Cameron would be a great start to the '07 and '08 core to build around for the Petes. Could truly be the difference between Owen Beck wearing a Greyhounds jersey instead of the London Knights or Saginaw Spirit but don't know if the SOO could stomach it especially with the hiring of Ertel and such but I suppose you never know because rings and banners mean a lot
Owen Beck for Brady Martin, 2nd, 3rd, 5th
In some ways look to last years Sarnia deal for Ethan Del Mastro, Luca Del Bel Belluz, 2nd, 4th, 4th
Last edited:
What is the scoop with Brady Martin is he not playing just because you guys are on a real heater to start the season? Also I have only watched parts of some of your games how is Fantino looking? For the record Landon Hookey came to camp leaner but 7 lbs heavier has worked on skating and is playing very well for us.
HockeyPops
Registered User
- Aug 20, 2018
- 7,831
- 6,917
If Martin was ever made available, I would not be worried about the Greyhounds winning any bidding war. He would be the most sought after piece for selling teams at the deadline.
That being said, I would be shocked if the Greyhounds made him available at the deadline. He has already had a clear impact this early in the season. He will be given a lot of rope as 3rd line centre to really be an important piece this season for the Hounds.
Fantino has been ok. Playing mostly fourth line.
That being said, I would be shocked if the Greyhounds made him available at the deadline. He has already had a clear impact this early in the season. He will be given a lot of rope as 3rd line centre to really be an important piece this season for the Hounds.
Martin is injured. I believe it was a slewfoot in the first game of the season.
Fantino has been ok. Playing mostly fourth line.
Section5Petes
Registered User
- Nov 14, 2022
- 1,432
- 1,557
Yeah that's exactly what I am saying. IF he was available its game over, no one is coming close to that offer no matter how many picks another team throws in. The Petes obviously want picks but it cannot be understated how much they value '06/'07 bodies right now and without Martin in a SOO deal, wonder what they will offer especially if Brown and Virgilio continue to be major drivers of success for this team
Martin injured his knee when him and another Flint player collided. He was considered 4-6 weeks out at that time so probably still out for another month if I were to venture a guess. Thankfully the rest of the squad has been playing well but will be fun to watch him once he's back in the lineup.
Highly unlikely we see Martin traded anywhere, at least this yearI think Owen Beck is a perfect fit for the Greyhounds too and my mind keeps going to what Brady Martin would look like in a Peterborough Petes uniform as well... Of all the teams potentially in on Owen Beck, the Greyhounds hold the best potential pieces/collection of players for a trade (Martin, Virgillio, Brown, Kostov). I know he was the 3rd overall pick but getting Brady Martin back and taking less picks is something I would do in a heartbeat. Brady Martin and Carson Cameron would be a great start to the '07 and '08 core to build around for the Petes. Could truly be the difference between Owen Beck wearing a Greyhounds jersey instead of the London Knights or Saginaw Spirit but don't know if the SOO could stomach it especially with the hiring of Ertel and such but I suppose you never know because rings and banners mean a lot
Owen Beck for Brady Martin, 2nd, 3rd, 5th
In some ways look to last years Sarnia deal for Ethan Del Mastro, Luca Del Bel Belluz, 2nd, 4th, 4th
Brown, Virgilio and Kostov all continue to be probable trade pieces to land a big fish or two
I think the change in scenery has done well for both players
Section5Petes
Registered User
- Nov 14, 2022
- 1,432
- 1,557
I think @HF92 noted the most likely trade for Beck (and Smith) at this point involving one of Brown or Kostov and Virgilio + picks, I don't forsee that changing right now...
Thanks for the info I had saw Martin only played 1 gm and wondered. Hopefully Fantino picks it up and plays better than ok he has the skill to be better than 4th line.
HockeyPops
Registered User
- Aug 20, 2018
- 7,831
- 6,917
It's way too early for these trade proposals IMO. We still don't even know what pieces we need.
I am a little concerned about defense. We are rostering 8 defensemen, but 2 of them are rookies (mini-BMB, Evans) and they have combined only played in one game (and as a 7th defenseman at that). If these two players aren't able to earn the coaches trust and get meaningful regular season minutes, then a significant addition to the D corps will be required. I like the suggestion of someone like a Konnor Smith.
Goaltending is also potentially a position that we might look at upgrading. But we need more games from both our goalies before we can determine what kind of addition is needed (or whether or not one is required at all).
We seem to be a pretty tight checking team, but not overly physical. Clattenburg will help with that, but it's possible we may want to add more veteran grit to aid in that area as games tighten up even more in the playoffs. I already mentioned a player like Stonehouse who can also put up points, but plays a more Brad Marchand style of game.
Scoring is all but guaranteed to cool off, but as it stands right now it's the least of our worries. And particularly if we make additions as outlined above, our assets are not unlimited. All this talk about Beck makes me concerned we are going to try to be the Windsor Spitfires of the last two years and just try to score our way out of any jam. I would prefer that we take our time and address our real needs. Owen Beck might be a "want", more than a "need" this season.
I am a little concerned about defense. We are rostering 8 defensemen, but 2 of them are rookies (mini-BMB, Evans) and they have combined only played in one game (and as a 7th defenseman at that). If these two players aren't able to earn the coaches trust and get meaningful regular season minutes, then a significant addition to the D corps will be required. I like the suggestion of someone like a Konnor Smith.
Goaltending is also potentially a position that we might look at upgrading. But we need more games from both our goalies before we can determine what kind of addition is needed (or whether or not one is required at all).
We seem to be a pretty tight checking team, but not overly physical. Clattenburg will help with that, but it's possible we may want to add more veteran grit to aid in that area as games tighten up even more in the playoffs. I already mentioned a player like Stonehouse who can also put up points, but plays a more Brad Marchand style of game.
Scoring is all but guaranteed to cool off, but as it stands right now it's the least of our worries. And particularly if we make additions as outlined above, our assets are not unlimited. All this talk about Beck makes me concerned we are going to try to be the Windsor Spitfires of the last two years and just try to score our way out of any jam. I would prefer that we take our time and address our real needs. Owen Beck might be a "want", more than a "need" this season.
Last edited:
highly doubt Martin & Hayes are going anywhere.
Brown, Kostov, mignosa , toms, fantino, would be my guess as too possible
trade chips.
Brown, Kostov, mignosa , toms, fantino, would be my guess as too possible
trade chips.
at first i was good with it, but man, Virgilio has been really good as a 17 year old this year. i'd more likely do brown and kostov if possible. i think virgilio is going to be a force as a right handed dman in the future. i know you have to give to get tho, so i imagine the hounds would be open to trading him. that's assuming he didn't negotiate a NTC after balking at Michigan.
No way i would trade Martin. not until his 19 year old year anyway. kid is just too good. Martin and Hayes are going to light up this league for the next few years.
can also see them adding Mignosa into a deal as well. or Fantino.
HockeyPops
Registered User
- Aug 20, 2018
- 7,831
- 6,917
I guarantee Hayes isn't. He is ineligible to be traded this year.
Section5Petes
Registered User
- Nov 14, 2022
- 1,432
- 1,557
@HF92 submitted that Owen Beck/Konnor Smith deal on the Owen Beck Trade Power Ranking spreadhseet where the Greyhounds now rank #2! feel free to do the same
Last edited:
My opinion is that Kostov, Fantino and Toms would be possible trade chips at this point.. Coach Dean really likes Mignosa and Brown.
Kostov and Fantino really have to pick it up to remain consistently in the lineup when Martin and Clattenburg return. Clatenburg is day to day and Martin could be 3 to 4 weeks before returning from his knee injury.
Kostov and Fantino really have to pick it up to remain consistently in the lineup when Martin and Clattenburg return. Clatenburg is day to day and Martin could be 3 to 4 weeks before returning from his knee injury.
HockeyPops
Registered User
- Aug 20, 2018
- 7,831
- 6,917
When Martin returns it's going to push Brown down the lineup. Anyone not playing on the top 3 lines has to be considered available for trade.
Beck - BMB - Cloutier
D'Intino - Allard - Sirizzotti
Clattenburg - Martin - Hayes
Mignosa - Brown - Kostov
(Fantino - Vader)
Similarly, anyone not on the top 2 D-pairs has to be considered available for trade.
Karki - Kudryavtsev
Carlisle - Gibson
Toms - Virgilio
(Evans - mini-BMB)
Beck - BMB - Cloutier
D'Intino - Allard - Sirizzotti
Clattenburg - Martin - Hayes
Mignosa - Brown - Kostov
(Fantino - Vader)
Similarly, anyone not on the top 2 D-pairs has to be considered available for trade.
Karki - Kudryavtsev
Carlisle - Gibson
Toms - Virgilio
(Evans - mini-BMB)
I'm still in wait and see mode before we start thinking about trades for guys like Owen Beck. I do believe in this roster more than most other Greyhounds fans did before the season, but they have to improve defensively and maintain this pace going into the deadline. The team is in a funky spot with 2 of the league's elite players in BMB and Kudryavtsev and a solid OA core, but also a whole lot of young players. They aren't exactly loaded up on 04's like a typical contender.I think Owen Beck is a perfect fit for the Greyhounds too and my mind keeps going to what Brady Martin would look like in a Peterborough Petes uniform as well... Of all the teams potentially in on Owen Beck, the Greyhounds hold the best potential pieces/collection of players for a trade (Martin, Virgillio, Brown, Kostov). I know he was the 3rd overall pick but getting Brady Martin back and taking less picks is something I would do in a heartbeat. Brady Martin and Carson Cameron would be a great start to the '07 and '08 core to build around for the Petes. Could truly be the difference between Owen Beck wearing a Greyhounds jersey instead of the London Knights or Saginaw Spirit but don't know if the SOO could stomach it especially with the hiring of Ertel and such but I suppose you never know because rings and banners mean a lot
Owen Beck for Brady Martin, 2nd, 3rd, 5th
In some ways look to last years Sarnia deal for Ethan Del Mastro, Luca Del Bel Belluz, 2nd, 4th, 4th
Just for fun though, your trade from last year shows that a player like Martin will require not one, but two impact players. Lockhart and Mayer come to mind first, but the Hounds have 3 high end OA's already. Maybe Jonathan Melee can finally reach his potential and be that second guy.
I'm not making predictions on standings or deadline strategies, but other combinations I like for Martin are:
- Gavin Hayes and Coulson Pitre from Flint
- Dom Divincentiis and Dalyn Wakely from North Bay
- Spencer Sova and Pamo Fimis from Erie
Again, this is just for fun. I'm not predicting anything.
LDN
Registered User
- Sep 29, 2017
- 7,352
- 5,905
How is Mississauga so low? That's the 2 best teams (so far) at 9 and 10.
They are sticking too much to their preseason predictions, when they are notoriously unreliable. I get London being first because they have a good roster and are off to a good start, but Ottawa doesn't look so good right now and some of the others in the top 10 are off to rough starts. Why is North Bay up 6 spots after going 3-3?
Kingpin794
Smart A** In A Jersey
It's got you talking doesn't it? And the league as a whole by extension. That's the point. Engagement.
- Status
Ad
Latest posts
-
-
Around the League 46: Sharks Finally Yank A Win Out Of Their Cloaca- Latest: Blueline Bomber
-
-
-
GDT: Game #21: Utah @ Toronto - 5:00pm MST - Utah16, UtahHC+- Latest: GiveAFlyingPuck
