SSM Greyhounds 2023-24 Season Thread (Part 2)

[DWI Dale]

oof.

 

[Gouin Street]

Giving up points at home not gonna help in the race with the top 4 in the West. Hoping some practices together will help

 

[BehindSooNet]

What the hell? Usually there is a problem with guys not wanting to report to the Soo! Be interesting to see how this plays out. I like Frasca and his willingness to stand in front of the net:

From SooToday:

Notes: Reports surfaced out of Barrie on Saturday night that forward Brenden Sirizzotti, who was dealt by the Greyhounds to the Colts in a trade that saw the Sault acquire forward Jacob Frasca, made the decision to not report to Barrie.

Via social media, reporter Gene Pereira in Barrie broke the news that Sirizzotti wasn’t reporting.

Colts general manager and coach Marty Williamson told Pereira, “He informed them (Soo) and didn’t inform us. I think the league is going to look into it.”

Frasca played in both weekend games for the Greyhounds following the trade.

 

[Gouin Street]

I don't see the league reversing the trade. This.is very unfortunate for Barrie. Wonder if this has happened before in the OHL, WHL or QMJHL? Maybe the Hounds will be asked to send a pick back if Sirizotti doesn't report. Must have been heartbreaking news to hear he was traded as an OA from a contending team. That also doesn't happen too often. Hope it works out for all parties involved.

 

[AGranderson]

I am hearing that this trade will be reversed and all points gained by the Soo until the investigation is done with will turn to forfeit losses. Sirizzotti made it clear in his exit meeting he would not report to Barrie and they still went ahead with it

 

[Kingpin794]

I am hearing that this trade will be reversed and all points gained by the Soo until the investigation is done with will turn to forfeit losses. Sirizzotti made it clear in his exit meeting he would not report to Barrie and they still went ahead with it

I’d have a hard time believing that. More likely a fine or maybe losing a draft pick somewhere.

 

[HockeyPops]

Must have been heartbreaking news to hear he was traded as an OA from a contending team. That also doesn't happen too often.

Happened to players in Ottawa, Saginaw, Sudbury, Kitchener, Soo, and I'm sure other teams too. And that's just this season.

 

[BehindSooNet]

I am hearing that this trade will be reversed and all points gained by the Soo until the investigation is done with will turn to forfeit losses. Sirizzotti made it clear in his exit meeting he would not report to Barrie and they still went ahead with it

Okay, so the vast majority of your 200+ posts deal with the Ottawa 67s. Where, pray tell, are you "hearing" this from?

 

[DeletedAccountt]

I am hearing that this trade will be reversed and all points gained by the Soo until the investigation is done with will turn to forfeit losses. Sirizzotti made it clear in his exit meeting he would not report to Barrie and they still went ahead with it

Doubt it very much.

League didn’t reverse anything for Niagara, and have never reversed any wins before lol that I can remember.

 

[DeletedAccountt]

is it not possible that Barrie and Marty just didn’t do their job fully and were caught with their pants down and are trying to save face?

Is it just as possible that they never spoke to Sirizzotti or anyone before accepting the deal?

I don’t like the idea of believing Marty 100% in this situation. I’ll wait to hear what the Soo and Kyle Raftis have to say

“ he never informed us” but did you even ask or talk to him? lol hmm

 

[StormWatcher]

I think the important distinction here is that if the player didn't want to be traded/wouldn't report, that has to nix the deal. That's when things are renegotiated. That's the whole point of NTC's. If what is alleged is true, and he told SSM he wouldn't and they put the deal through anyways? That's sketchy.

Guelph had an incident where a player said he wanted to go the school route, left, and then magically ended up on the Missy roster about a month later. That is different though as the player left the team first/rights were forfeited, and then he signed elsewhere.

I can't think of another example where the trade was completed but one team didn't get what they traded for.

 

[DWI Dale]

Marty Williamson is a well documented liar and cheater. He's not getting the benefit of the doubt from me on anything he says.

 

[ohloutsider]

Happened to players in Ottawa, Saginaw, Sudbury, Kitchener, Soo, and I'm sure other teams too. And that's just this season.

I remember the Spits trading a player to the Soo that would not report. can't remember the name but there was nothing done about that. Players also get traded with undisclosed injuries and nada done about that .

Marty Williamson is a well documented liar and cheater. He's not getting the benefit of the doubt from me on anything he says.

Ya Marty has never done or won anything anywhere so covering his tracks is about all he is good at.

 

[Houndzfan20]

I remember the Spits trading a player to the Soo that would not report. can't remember the name but there was nothing done about that. Players also get traded with undisclosed injuries and nada done about that .


Ya Marty has never done or won anything anywhere so covering his tracks is about all he is good at.

Sarnia traded Brent Sullivan years ago and he didn't report

 

[BehindSooNet]

Check out the personal Twitter or "X" account of Kyle Raftis.

He typically retweets and/or likes the stuff the Hounds officially post on X.

Curiously, he did not repost or like anything to do with the Sirizzotti trade.

The Hounds posted Thank You messages for all the departing players. While Raftis reposted and "liked" the Clattenburg/Kostov goodbye messages, he completely ignored the one for Sirizzotti.

Was it just an over-sight or did Raftis know that Sirizzotti was distressed by the trade? Seems weird the manager wouldn't thank the most productive (14G, 14A) of the three players being traded.

Blame it on the cold for keeping me indoors and thinking too much about this stuff...

 

[TuckerFan1]

I am hearing that this trade will be reversed and all points gained by the Soo until the investigation is done with will turn to forfeit losses. Sirizzotti made it clear in his exit meeting he would not report to Barrie and they still went ahead with it

A trade reversal would be an absolute nightmare for the league and both teams/players involved. If the league is even able to prove any wrong doing, I can’t see how Barrie wouldn’t just get a draft pick

 

[DiggityDawg]

A trade reversal would be an absolute nightmare for the league and both teams/players involved. If the league is even able to prove any wrong doing, I can’t see how Barrie wouldn’t just get a draft pick

What will happen is simple, Barrie will be compensated with picks. League will determine that. There will be no reversal or removal of points.

 

[DeletedAccountt]

I think the important distinction here is that if the player didn't want to be traded/wouldn't report, that has to nix the deal. That's when things are renegotiated. That's the whole point of NTC's. If what is alleged is true, and he told SSM he wouldn't and they put the deal through anyways? That's sketchy.

Guelph had an incident where a player said he wanted to go the school route, left, and then magically ended up on the Missy roster about a month later. That is different though as the player left the team first/rights were forfeited, and then he signed elsewhere.

I can't think of another example where the trade was completed but one team didn't get what they traded for.

Sirizotti has a no move clause?

What will happen is simple, Barrie will be compensated with picks. League will determine that. There will be no reversal or removal of points.

And how would league determine this?

Hearsay wouldn’t be sufficient right? They would need something concrete like texts or emails.

If it’s all just word of mouth.. I dunnnnno.

 

[DWI Dale]

If there's no proof of any wrongdoing Barrie should be sending US a pick!

 

[DiggityDawg]

Sirizotti has a no move clause?



And how would league determine this?

Hearsay wouldn’t be sufficient right? They would need something concrete like texts or emails.

If it’s all just word of mouth.. I dunnnnno.

Hence the investigation. There’s two separate issues here. The player Not reporting and whether the soo knew he wasn’t going to report. in the end to smooth it over a pick or two will be sent to Barri. IMO, it’ll be two picks and what the investigation reveals will determine level of picks, if there’s shenanigans it’ll be high picks, no shenanigans- he is an OA for 30 games roughly remaining and maybe a playoff round - it’ll be two late picks. Just my opinion lol

 

[DWI Dale]

no shenanigans- he is an OA for 30 games roughly remaining and maybe a playoff round - it’ll be two late picks. Just my opinion lol

What is the league precedent on a player not reporting after a trade if there is "no shenanigans"...?

If Raftis was aware he wouldn't report and still did the trade then the franchise definitely deserves punishment (and Raftis himself should be put under the microscope by the organization).

But if it shown that Sirizzoti's decision was made after the trade I have a tough time swallowing the idea of us being punished just because MW couldn't convince him to report. That's his job, not ours!

The Soo has had more than our share of players not willing to report over the years so while I can empathize I don't see how that's our problem provided there was no prior knowledge he wouldn't report.

 

[OHL4Life]

Hence the investigation. There’s two separate issues here. The player Not reporting and whether the soo knew he wasn’t going to report. in the end to smooth it over a pick or two will be sent to Barri. IMO, it’ll be two picks and what the investigation reveals will determine level of picks, if there’s shenanigans it’ll be high picks, no shenanigans- he is an OA for 30 games roughly remaining and maybe a playoff round - it’ll be two late picks. Just my opinion lol

it would be more then that. its not about the player, its about a member team potentially hiding info from another one and acting dishonestly. now, this will need to be proven and i doubt it will be. im sure that even if sirazzatti did tell the soo, there is no proof. its not like he had enrolled in school before the soo traded him. if he did, well thats black and white. but i doubt its that simple.

 

[HockeyPops]

I have resisted weighing in on this one because we really don't have all the evidence. But it just strikes me as a really dumb thing for Raftis to do, if true. If he knew Sirizzotti wasn't going to report, he might have had to sweeten the deal with another couple 4ths or something like that. That's a lot cheaper than the potential fallout from this. Whatever the league penalty is would be peanuts compared to the cost to his reputation and trying to make future deals.

 

[DWI Dale]

trade negligence and the subsequent loss of a 1st round pick cost pierre dorion his job in ottawa. if there's any kind of serious fallout that costs us i don't think he could continue as GM.

but again, i look at the source... Marty has a shady past that hasn't earned him the benefit of the doubt. innocent until proven guilty. and if he's guilty, he should definitely be punished!

 

[SSMHoundsFan]

At the end of the day, you can't force the kid to do anything he doesn't want to do, sucks for the Colts but I think they're sol...as Hockeypops alluded too, I doubt anything nefarious transpired in the background from Raftis, he's a young GM still who I am sure wants to move up to the bigger leagues and pulling a stunt like this wouldn't go over well...