SSM Greyhounds 2022-23 Season Thread

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[HockeyPops]

He is far from their only goat in overtime this year. Maybe Dean was trying something different since nothing else has been working?

 

[DWI Dale]

might be time for the sports psychologist to talk to these boys lol. i've never seen a team drop so many games in overtime. i can't decide if it's lack of talent or lack of killer instinct.

 

[Savard18]

It appears as though he struggled in niagara last year (-36 in 43 games), it seems like he has had a positive impact this year. As much as I tried to find something wrong with this deal it seems like we got an offensively minded forward that might thrive in our puck possession system, and for pennies on the dollar compared to what you might expect a PPG forward to cost. Let's see how he fits in.

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I think Sirrizotti is a steal for a 3rd and an 8th. You could probably get that for him next preseason as an OA or close to it. Of all the recent moves that seems like the best value to me. I guess you guys will see soon enough. As far as your past drafting/moves go….I watched Soo and Erie fans brag about the ability to find/recruit talent late and blow off the lack of draft picks. Yeah. Both teams did have good little runs of finding late round gems. Flint’s done it too. Lombardi and Assinewai in the 13th. Deline in the 6th. Winterton in the 9th I think it was, some others. It’s just not sustainable though. It can supplement your roster and put you over the top but look where you guys are now or even worse Erie. That well runs dry at some point and you need 2nd-4th/5th round picks. Can the Soo quickly get back to that? Yeah. I think so but you can’t run 3-4-5 years with no high picks and sustain a competitive team. Also I think you’re totally on point that the buy/sell years need to be at least a little more aggressive in each direction. It ain’t gotta be Hamilton/Guelph type stuff but a little more aggressive.

 

[DWI Dale]

I think Sirrizotti is a steal for a 3rd and an 8th. You could probably get that for him next preseason as an OA or close to it. Of all the recent moves that seems like the best value to me. I guess you guys will see soon enough. As far as your past drafting/moves go….I watched Soo and Erie fans brag about the ability to find/recruit talent late and blow off the lack of draft picks. Yeah. Both teams did have good little runs of finding late round gems. Flint’s done it too. Lombardi and Assinewai in the 13th. Deline in the 6th. Winterton in the 9th I think it was, some others. It’s just not sustainable though. It can supplement your roster and put you over the top but look where you guys are now or even worse Erie. That well runs dry at some point and you need 2nd-4th/5th round picks. Can the Soo quickly get back to that? Yeah. I think so but you can’t run 3-4-5 years with no high picks and sustain a competitive team. Also I think you’re totally on point that the buy/sell years need to be at least a little more aggressive in each direction. It ain’t gotta be Hamilton/Guelph type stuff but a little more aggressive.

i agree entirely.

i'd also add (as other posters have suggested) the loss of Victor Carneiro in 2018 seemed to have a huge impact on our draft successes. he was a holdover from the Dubas era and our drafts since he left have been mediocre at best.

Just look at what a disaster our 2019 draft was. Holmes, Boudreau and Brzustowski are gone. Holmes was selected over Matier (WTF?)... D'Intino has never established himself imo. Savard was a great pick in the 11th then the rest were duds.

1	18	Jacob Holmes	LD	6.01	170	York-Simcoe Express
2	No selection
3	59	Marc Boudreau	LW	6.00	158	Toronto Malboros
4	80	Jordan D’Intino	C	6.01	174	London Jr. Knights
5	100	Owen Parsons	RW	6.01	130	Waterloo Wolves
6	120	Luc Brzustowski	LD	5.11	158	Kitchener Jr. Rangers
7	140	Coulter Taylor	G	6.05	143	North Central Predators
8	160	Luke Haymes	C	5.09	162	Rockland Nationals
9	180	Rhys Chiddenton	LW	5.07	138	Mississauga Reps
10	200	Hunter Brown	RD	6.01	183	Kemptville 73s
11	220	Tyler Savard	LW	5.11	169	Peterborough Petes
12	240	Luca DiPasquo	G	5.11	180	Detroit Compuware 16U
13	260	Connor Miller	C	6.00	185	Detroit Honeybaked 15s
14	280	Luke DeVries	LD	5.11	155	Huron-Perth Lakers
15	300	Logan Heroux	LD	6.01	182	New Jersey Devils 16U

In 2020 we didn't do much better IMO. BMB was an ok choice at #4 but otherwise we failed to draft any gamebreakers. It was also our 2nd year in a row without a 2nd. Toms has been just "ok", Rutger was never happening. Jury is still out on Shenkel. Allard and Hookey have been OK but nothing special. Lots of swing and misses in between.

1	4	Bryce McConnell-Barker	C	6.01	162	London Jr. Knights
2	No selection
3	44	Connor Toms	LD	5.09	143	Soo Jr. Greyhounds
4	79	Rutger McGroarty	C	6.00	177	Oakland Grizzlies 15’s
5	84	Caeden Carlisle	LD	5.11	159	Mississauga Senators
5	91	Charlie Schenkel	G	6.04	164	Rockland Nationals
6	104	Jax Bellwood	LW	6.02	164	Barrie Jr. Colts MM
7	124	Owen Allard	C	5.11	150	Kanta Lasers M
8	144	Justin Varner	LW	6.00	165	Detroit Honeybaked 15s
8	157	Nathaniel Davis	RD	6.00	154	Toronto Titans MM
9	164	Landen Hookey	RW	6.01	178	Lambton Jr. Sting MM
10	184	Justin Spurrell	RW	6.00	152	Brampton 45s MM
11	204	Nolan Dunn	G	6.01	159	Whitby Wildcats MM
12	224	Jackson Ryan	C	5.08	143	Peterborough Petes MM
13	244	Caleb Van De Ven	RD	6.01	155	Lambton Jr. Sting MM
14	264	Owen West	LD	5.08	158	Belle Tire 15’s
15	284	Tyler Muszelik	G	6.01	163	New Jersey Rockets 15s

It's too early to judge the 2021 draft class but IMO it's safe to say that our scouting program has gone way downhill since the Dubas/Carneiro days in addition to our frustrating unwillingness to rebuild.

 

[OHL4Life]

i agree entirely.

i'd also add (as other posters have suggested) the loss of Victor Carneiro in 2018 seemed to have a huge impact on our draft successes. he was a holdover from the Dubas era and our drafts since he left have been mediocre at best.

Just look at what a disaster our 2019 draft was. Holmes, Boudreau and Brzustowski are gone. Holmes was selected over Matier (WTF?)... D'Intino has never established himself imo. Savard was a great pick in the 11th then the rest were duds.

1	18	Jacob Holmes	LD	6.01	170	York-Simcoe Express
2	No selection
3	59	Marc Boudreau	LW	6.00	158	Toronto Malboros
4	80	Jordan D’Intino	C	6.01	174	London Jr. Knights
5	100	Owen Parsons	RW	6.01	130	Waterloo Wolves
6	120	Luc Brzustowski	LD	5.11	158	Kitchener Jr. Rangers
7	140	Coulter Taylor	G	6.05	143	North Central Predators
8	160	Luke Haymes	C	5.09	162	Rockland Nationals
9	180	Rhys Chiddenton	LW	5.07	138	Mississauga Reps
10	200	Hunter Brown	RD	6.01	183	Kemptville 73s
11	220	Tyler Savard	LW	5.11	169	Peterborough Petes
12	240	Luca DiPasquo	G	5.11	180	Detroit Compuware 16U
13	260	Connor Miller	C	6.00	185	Detroit Honeybaked 15s
14	280	Luke DeVries	LD	5.11	155	Huron-Perth Lakers
15	300	Logan Heroux	LD	6.01	182	New Jersey Devils 16U

In 2020 we didn't do much better IMO. BMB was an ok choice at #4 but otherwise we failed to draft any gamebreakers. It was also our 2nd year in a row without a 2nd. Toms has been just "ok", Rutger was never happening. Jury is still out on Shenkel. Allard and Hookey have been OK but nothing special. Lots of swing and misses in between.

1	4	Bryce McConnell-Barker	C	6.01	162	London Jr. Knights
2	No selection
3	44	Connor Toms	LD	5.09	143	Soo Jr. Greyhounds
4	79	Rutger McGroarty	C	6.00	177	Oakland Grizzlies 15’s
5	84	Caeden Carlisle	LD	5.11	159	Mississauga Senators
5	91	Charlie Schenkel	G	6.04	164	Rockland Nationals
6	104	Jax Bellwood	LW	6.02	164	Barrie Jr. Colts MM
7	124	Owen Allard	C	5.11	150	Kanta Lasers M
8	144	Justin Varner	LW	6.00	165	Detroit Honeybaked 15s
8	157	Nathaniel Davis	RD	6.00	154	Toronto Titans MM
9	164	Landen Hookey	RW	6.01	178	Lambton Jr. Sting MM
10	184	Justin Spurrell	RW	6.00	152	Brampton 45s MM
11	204	Nolan Dunn	G	6.01	159	Whitby Wildcats MM
12	224	Jackson Ryan	C	5.08	143	Peterborough Petes MM
13	244	Caleb Van De Ven	RD	6.01	155	Lambton Jr. Sting MM
14	264	Owen West	LD	5.08	158	Belle Tire 15’s
15	284	Tyler Muszelik	G	6.01	163	New Jersey Rockets 15s

It's too early to judge the 2021 draft class but IMO it's safe to say that our scouting program has gone way downhill since the Dubas/Carneiro days in addition to our lack of a rebuild.

the guy in vics place didnt really scout alot before being promoted. he was around for a year or two and once vic was gone he was promoted. you guys lost vic but also 3/4 other very good scouts as well. i think you are seeing the fall out from that.

 

[HockeyPops]

Maybe Raftis has been slowly realizing he needs to grow the team more organically? In 2021 we made 4 selections in the first 4 rounds (1,2,3,4), and in 2022 we made 5 selections in the first 4 rounds (1,2,3,3,4). Prior to that it was 3, 3, 2, 3, 4 (with the 4 being 1,3,4,4). That means the past 2 drafts were the most loaded of Raftis' tenure in terms of early picks. Let's hope more of them pan out.

I will just add that I am still quite high on Allard, I think he has some game breaking ability. Unfortunate that he hasn't laced them up yet this year due to injury, but I'm optimistic when he gets back healthy we will see some good things from him. Also Schenkel - why is the jury out? He seems like he's there from what I can see.

 

[DWI Dale]

Maybe Raftis has been slowly realizing he needs to grow the team more organically?

Pretty crappy if it took him 4 years to realize this while a bunch of armchair skids like me knew in 2019.

I will just add that I am still quite high on Allard, I think he has some game breaking ability. Unfortunate that he hasn't laced them up yet this year due to injury, but I'm optimistic when he gets back healthy we will see some good things from him. Also Schenkel - why is the jury out? He seems like he's there from what I can see.

Hopefully Allard can inject some energy into our offense and some confidence into our overtime performances.

The jury is out on Schenkel because he has 21 OHL starts. I like what he's done this year but 14 starts means nothing to me. I think we'll know if he's ready to be "the guy" by seasons end.

 

[HockeyPops]

Pretty crappy if it took him 4 years to realize this while a bunch of armchair skids like me knew in 2019.

Better than him not realizing it after 4 years though, no?

 

[DWI Dale]

Better than him not realizing it after 4 years though, no?

i guess??? it's not really something i'm going to give him credit for, especially on the eve of a mem cup bid.
if he hadn't inherited a juggernaut from previous management he might be looking for a new job by now.

 

[Knights Watcher]

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Please consider donating to the GoFundMe page set up by his family to help with the funeral arrangements.
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[Knights Watcher]

Hello Hounds fans
Tonight I am reaching out to the broader hockey family and communities not as a London Knights fan, but as a concerned human being. As you know, one of our Knights players died tragically this past Saturday. His friends, family and the community are devastated.
Please consider donating to the GoFundMe page set up by his family to help with the funeral arrangements.
Thank you

Funeral Costs for Abakar Kazbekov, organized by Alina Yakus

Dear friends, family and community, We are writing to you today to let you know abo… Alina Yakus needs your support for Funeral Costs for Abakar Kazbekov

gofund.me

Hi again.
Seems the page has been taken down for some reason.
The Knights are checking into it with the family right now. Please stay tuned.

 

[44 95 plus tax]

Circling back to the constant debate about draft equity. If we had more we could afford to take a gamble on Savard returning as an OA. But I think there is a very good chance that Savard is worth enough at the deadline to let him go. He could definitely be a difference maker in the postseason with his skillset. I can definitely see him latching on with an AHL team next year, if not earning an NHL deal.

What do you think Savard is worth in a trade. Realistically.

 

[HockeyPops]

Of the players who have already been traded this season, I would think Zito would be the closest comparison based on the type of game they play. Savard has scored at a slightly higher rate than Zito, but Zito does have some pedigree of being a late NHL draft pick. For me, that would be the starting point of any discussions.

 

[Knights Watcher]

Hi again.
Seems the page has been taken down for some reason.
The Knights are checking into it with the family right now. Please stay tuned.

Campaign is back up:

Funeral Costs for Abakar Kazbekov, organized by Alina Yakus

Dear friends, family and community, We are writing to you today to let you know abou… Alina Yakus needs your support for Funeral Costs for Abakar Kazbekov

t.co

 

[DWI Dale]

As a youth hockey coach this stuff really hits home. I know some of my players have stuff going on at home so I really do try to make sure their time at the rink is an escape. I just can't imagine losing one of my kids.

 

[DWI Dale]

*Tap* *Tap* *Tap*

Is this thing on?

 

[HockeyPops]

Greyhounds now an abysmal 1-10 in games that go to extra time. Hockey minds continue to call these games a "coin flip" when they get this far; if I were the Greyhounds I would start putting all my money on red because black certainly hasn't been paying off.

 

[DWI Dale]

a lack of offense is a surefire way to lose most overtimes.

i'm in lotto pick mode. recoup some assets and let the young guns ride out the season. there's a ton of holes at forward to be figured out to be any real threat next year.

 

[mag1600]

With the trade deadline soon approaching, do you see the Hounds being sellers?

Why not trade Christopher Brown, Harrsion Ballard, Connor Toms, Samuel Ivanov?

And if the price is right, consider trading the very undisciplined Tyler Savard?

 

[dirty12]

With the trade deadline soon approaching, do you see the Hounds being sellers?

Why not trade Christopher Brown, Harrsion Ballard, Connor Toms, Samuel Ivanov?

And if the price is right, consider trading the very undisciplined Tyler Savard?

I’d cash out with Savard. There are probably 2-3 teams wanting that type of player, and maybe the only other big LW left is Harrison. He’s probably worth ~2. 3, 3, *3, *5

 

[GoKnightsGo44]

Édit:

I like McConnell-Barker to London for picks +player, local to London

 

[HockeyPops]

Nobody is trading for Ballard.
There is no rush to trade Toms or Brown, unless you get an offer you can't refuse.
The 03s and 02s are where the decisions need to be made for this deadline.

 

[scotty171]

If they are truly viewing next year as the window then trading Brown for a player that is a year or two older makes sense. A player of similar caliber who is nearer their potential then Brown may be. Who that team is where this makes sense, I don't know.

I agree with cashing out on Savard. There is a market for his type of play come playoff time. PPG player with an edge. We might be surprised with how big a return could be for him if theres a few teams interested in his services.

 

[OHLfan200]

Édit:

I like McConnell-Barker to London for picks +player, local to London

Would have to be for a huge haul considering he's only 18.


I'd personally look into the market for Mignosa. To me, he looks awkward in this system right now, perhaps a change of scenery would benefit him and the Greyhounds. Other than that, anything you can get on Savard would be awesome.

 

[HockeyPops]

The problem with dealing Brown or Mignosa for an 04 is that most teams are either contending this season or next and none of them do that deal for a difference making 04 right now. Next season is when it makes more sense to do something like that when the teams that went in this year are looking to sell. Start browsing the contending teams' rosters and see all the 04s that come into play if you wait.