SSM Greyhounds 2022-23 Season Thread

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[DWI Dale]

Quick check on Twitter shows his bio now says Toledo. Toledo is the ECHL affilate for Detroit, as St Louis has no ECHL affilate. So he could be close to the Soo right now. Toledo is also basically 15 minutes away from Tanners hometown.

"why hasn't he played" would be my question? he isn't on toledo's roster. a career in hockey seems like a longshot if he's still not well enough to play even in the OHL or ECHL.

 

[HockeyPops]

Obviously he hasn't played because he is going to be sent to the Hounds at the trade deadline, along with Lutz and McGroarty. Hounds will send Brown plus 3x2nds and 3rd to Kingston for Wright and tear up the west.

 

[DWI Dale]

There is 0 indication his career is over and you're creating a story.

I'm not creating a story. Femur injuries can end careers and even that article you shared suggested he'd be playing by now. I hope the best for Tanner but the longer he's out the harder a return will be.

A friend broke his femur snowboarding 20 years ago and never fully recovered. He still has pain and a slight limp.

 

[HockeyPops]

How is Virgilio a -14? Our second worst defender (for plus/minus) is Gibson at -2...

 

[DWI Dale]

i gave it a few years but Holmes over Matier was a really bad choice.

congrats to Jack on being named to the team canada camp.

 

[Kristina Hazzard]

i gave it a few years but Holmes over Matier was a really bad choice.

congrats to Jack on being named to the team canada camp.

Who knows if he would have done well here, playing in your home town is not easy

 

[Fischhaber]

Development is key here. but 2 of the top 3 kids in this draft could be cornerstones. they could step in next year and totally produce. unlike the last two years where our first rounders haven't performed like first rounders. I'm all for developing our team. but come on, a top 3 pick will put pucks in the net. something we are sorely lacking this year. if any year is the year to grab one, this is the year.

I think Bryce McConnell Barker has been better than 2 of the top 3 picks in Fimis and Namestnikov. If you're talking about Christopher Brown this year then I think it's a little early to be having that discussion.

This front office has always found scoring at all levels of the draft. I think you are overreacting to a partial poor season and not looking at the big picture. We arguably got a top 5 talent this year in the 4th round. It's less about where you draft players and more about how you develop them.

 

[OHLoutsider2020]

Who knows if he would have done well here, playing in your home town is not easy

Looks like it worked out for him in Ottawa. He got to learn from some older guys like Hoef and Bahl. The Holmes pick was 4 years ago. Holmes is a good D as well.

 

[DWI Dale]

it worked out great for jack. not so much for us.
holmes never lived up to expectations in the soo, that's why he was expendable.

and it's safe to say at this point that Matier was the better player as many locals felt at the time.

 

[Kristina Hazzard]

Trade winds blowing

 

[HockeyPops]

Hmmm. Still having a tough time determining what we might have to offer that 1) we don't need next season, and 2) that other teams would want:
A) Picks only? We have less than the average number. Unlikely.
B) OA? Maybe.
C) 2003? I think it's unlikely based on Raftis' prior dealings. Unless they don't fit into our top 6 F, top 4 D, or starting goalie next season.
D) 2004? Unlikely, unless it's a defenseman that doesn't figure into the top 4 next season
E) goaltender? Perhaps if they don't figure into the roster next season
F) rights to a prospect? Perhaps?
G) 2005-2006? This probably has the most value for Raftis in a trade, provided he can get them to waive their no trade.

 

[Generalsupdates]

Trade winds blowing

The trade already happened lol. FWIW they offered him to Oshawa in a package for Blake Smith and OSH approached him with FLNT/SSM but Smith decided on Flint so they flipped him there for D'Amato

 

[shot caller]

Couple of 4th rounders… interesting.

 

[OHLTG]

 

[OHL4Life]

I think Bryce McConnell Barker has been better than 2 of the top 3 picks in Fimis and Namestnikov. If you're talking about Christopher Brown this year then I think it's a little early to be having that discussion.

This front office has always found scoring at all levels of the draft. I think you are overreacting to a partial poor season and not looking at the big picture. We arguably got a top 5 talent this year in the 4th round. It's less about where you draft players and more about how you develop them.

didn’t you also say there were 10 teams after Harrison Ballard.

 

[HockeyPops]

This is decent bit of business for Raftis, IMO. With the injury, there was no guarantee when Brzustowski would return. And with our depth on defense, he was going to be in a dogfight for a spot in the top 4 next season. Now it seems we are less likely to deal Savard or D'Intino as there are fewer OA options on the roster for next season.

The price seems fair for a 4th/5th defenseman on a contender.

 

[Uncle]

What are we getting in Luc B? Thanks in advance!

 

[DWI Dale]

two 4ths are a "meh" for me.

the upside is hopefully it helps the "tank" this year, otherwise this reeks of desperation. too little too late for next year.

 

[DWI Dale]

What are we getting in Luc B? Thanks in advance!

dependable defenseman. not flashy, won't contribute much offense. he was having a steady season for us before the injury and will be a good addition to a contender.

 

[scotty171]

two 4ths are a "meh" for me.

the upside is hopefully it helps the "tank" this year, otherwise this reeks of desperation. too little too late for next year.

Why? He was a former 6th round pick who didn't warrant a roster spot next year as an OA. Getting 2 4ths is good asset management in my opinion.

 

[DWI Dale]

Why? He was a former 6th round pick who didn't warrant a roster spot next year as an OA. Getting 2 4ths is good asset management in my opinion.

it's a fair value for Luc. i think it's an ok move for 2027 or later but I don't think it gives us the assets we need to build a contender next season if that makes sense.

 

[scotty171]

it's a fair value for Luc. i think it's an ok move for 2027 or later but I don't think it gives us the assets we need to build a contender next season.

If they are going to use the picks to draft players in '24 and '25 then I guess. They can use them in trade for next years roster though.
Like it's been mentioned before, they don't have a lot that moves the needle to upgrade for next season. 2 4ths are better than nothing when he isn't brought back next year as an OA.

 

[DWI Dale]

Like it's been mentioned before, they don't have a lot that moves the needle to upgrade for next season.

I guess this quote is what I'm getting at. Too little too late.

History suggests acquiring an impact forward will cost a solid prospect and a combo of 2's or 3's.

This is a fair deal for Luc, but I don't see it moving the needle much for next year.

 

[Riverfront]

Players RAFTIS should target :
1. porter martone ( sarnia )
2. cooper Foster ( ottawa )
3. a. Cristoforo & Liam Greentree ( windsor )
who do you make available for trade :
ivanov, savard, watson, carlisle, thompson, ballard, ( would try to move these 6 first )

 

[Generalsupdates]

Players RAFTIS should target :
1. porter martone ( sarnia )
2. cooper Foster ( ottawa )
3. a. Cristoforo & Liam Greentree ( windsor )
who do you make available for trade :
ivanov, savard, watson, carlisle, thompson, ballard, ( would try to move these 6 first )

No offence, but you don't have anyone who could get you anywhere close to getting any of them in return in a trade this season