Confirmed with Link: Spezza tenders resignation - Update 6/14 Named Penguins AGM

[PROUD PAPA]

Worried about what? About being on the Leafs? Regardless of the team, their exceptional talent ensures promising NHL careers, also due to their youth. Such players are rare, and this organization might take that for granted and eventually regret it.

As I said, we may have been to sign them on good deals that will leave the Leafs with cap space so we can actually win the whole thing. But it looks like we bought them high and will be selling low.

Yes worried about being dealt.
What leads you to believe we may have been able to sign them to good deals?
And why wouldn’t they be open to giving us these good deals now? Also define good deals.

 

[daveleaf]

I liked Jason but this tells me that Dubas has an in elsewhere. Bizarre week, I think he was dragging something out cause he knew there was a gig elsewhere. Came back with if you pay me stupid money than sure Ill stay.

I guess at the end of the day Babcock was right.

 

[Jozay]

Leafs legend thank u

 

[Martin Skoula]

I think they weren’t worried.

If they keep them, I don’t think Marner playing worried is going to help matters, if they don’t keep them, the new guy is under the gun and dealing from a position of low leverage.

 

[PROUD PAPA]

If they keep them, I don’t think Marner playing worried is going to help matters, if they don’t keep them, the new guy is under the gun and dealing from a position of low leverage.

Are you talking about how Marner performs in the playoffs? Because I think the physicality of the playoffs has had him worried for years.

 

[ShaneFalco]

How will he be replaced?!?!?!?!

 

[egd27]

And it continues...

They're going to destroy everything.

Thank god you're ok. I was worried you may have done something rash.

 

[daveleaf]

So. Smaller players than Mariner have had success in the playoffs. The problem is how this team is constructed. Skill is the basis for every move and that has to stop. We need guys that can dig a puck out and get in front of the net and stay there. If no one is headed to the front of the net defenders just tee up on him and Mathews on the outside. You need a heavier team.

 

[IPS]

People are seriously yearning the loss of Jason Spezza ?

What is one beneficial thing he did for the Leafs in his position? What was his position and what was he responsible for?

If you can't answer the above questions I have no idea why you care if Spezza is part of the organization or not.

The players' loyalty is likely diminish now that Dubas has departed. Had Dubas been handling negotiations, it's possible the players would have understood the team's cap constraints. However, with the organization removing Dubas, the players will likely explore the UFA market, as it is in their best interest to do so. And if we try to trade them we are getting the lowest value from them.

Leafs have bought high and sold low.

Yeah it probably is.

They might actually have to f***ing get held accountable for putting on disgraceful performances like they did vs Florida, oh no! What's poor Mitch gonna do without Dubas going to bat for him in the media and calling criticism of him "idiotic"?

 

[geo25]

I liked Jason but this tells me that Dubas has an in elsewhere. Bizarre week, I think he was dragging something out cause he knew there was a gig elsewhere. Came back with if you pay me stupid money than sure Ill stay.

I guess at the end of the day Babcock was right.

His talks with his family were about them being ok with moving to his new team's city....Spezza & others probably tagging along....oh, and Keefe as well

I think MLSE released a statement that they are still Babcock 25 million dollars to not coach when there was media scrutiny about them not extending dubas.

Explain that better? Too confusing....

 

[HofT]

Yes worried about being dealt.
What leads you to believe we may have been able to sign them to good deals?
And why wouldn’t they be open to giving us these good deals now? Also define good deals.

Because our playoff outcomes speak for themselves. We're not winning a cup with so much cap tied up and I think the players were aware of that after losing to Florida. Media, the pundits, the fans, the anti fans, pretty much everyone in the league is saying the same thing about the Leafs cap troubles. Dubas is also well aware of that from the get go. Cap was suppose to go up but Covid happened. It is what it is.

So, with their contracts coming up and like any competitive player, they want to win. They already one of the highest paid players, there's no need to make that much more. What theyre missing is deep runs in the playoffs run to cement them in NHL and Leafs history.

Now, this can still happen. I just doubt it after they saw that Dubas, the person they like and have negotiated with, is gone. JT did the same with the Isles. Garth Snow was gone and then JT tested the UFA market to see what he can get.

 

[PROUD PAPA]

Because our playoff outcomes speak for themselves. We're not winning a cup with so much cap tied up and I think the players were aware of that after losing to Florida. Media, the pundits, the fans, the anti fans, pretty much everyone in the league is saying the same thing about the Leafs cap troubles. Dubas is also well aware of that from the get go. Cap was suppose to go up but Covid happened. It is what it is.

So, with their contracts coming up and like any competitive player, they want to win. They already one of the highest paid players, there's no need to make that much more. What theyre missing is deep runs in the playoffs run to cement them in NHL and Leafs history.

Now, this can still happen. I just doubt it after they saw that Dubas, the person they like and have negotiated with, is gone. JT did the same with the Isles. Garth Snow was gone and then JT tested the UFA market to see what he can get.

I think if they’re prioritizing winning and are amicable to signing a good deal to achieve that, it shouldn’t matter who the GM is.

 

[GoonieFace]

And it continues...

They're going to destroy everything.

Thank goodness

 

[GoonieFace]

What are you talking about. Its been public knowledge forever Spezza wanted to get into management post playing career. To suggest he doesn't need a mentor to learn on the job is pretty dumb.

Not when your mentor is Kenny Banya

 

[acrobaticgoalie]

Spezza has less than one year of experience in a front office. No loss at all. See ya bud.

Laughable for any fan to think Spezza is invaluable.

Inexperienced in the front office yes, but I think he definitely had some value. The guy is one year removed from being an everyday NHL player inside that dressing room. He would have a lot of insight to provide the next GM as to the character of every guy in that room and who should stay and who should go. Spezza appeared to be one of the only true leaders in that dressing room in his time here.

 

[HofT]

People are seriously yearning the loss of Jason Spezza ?

What is one beneficial thing he did for the Leafs in his position? What was his position and what was he responsible for?

If you can't answer the above questions I have no idea why you care if Spezza is part of the organization or not.


Yeah it probably is.

They might actually have to f***ing get held accountable for putting on disgraceful performances like they did vs Florida, oh no! What's poor Mitch gonna do without Dubas going to bat for him in the media and calling criticism of him "idiotic"?

It wasn't a disgrace. Shanahan didnt give that impression that the Leafs played bad. That is not the reason Dubas is gone eithet. Florida was a grind house to play agaisnt and the best regular season team ever couldnt beat them once Bob got in net.

And really, Leafs got to play their game agaisnt Florida. I'll even say outplayed them in games 1, 2 and the rest were even. Florida gave up so many 2-1 it's comical but Bob was in the way.

I think if they’re prioritizing winning and are amicable to signing a good deal to achieve that, it shouldn’t matter who the GM is.

We'll see. I hope you're right.

 

[GoonieFace]

I cannot wait to quote this once we are fully back to the dark JFJ Nonis Burke era.

It will be sweet

Yes the Dubas era were great times…all those accomplishments

 

[IPS]

It wasn't a disgrace. Shanahan didnt give that impression that the Leafs played bad. That is not the reason Dubas is gone eithet. Florida was a grind house to play agaisnt and the best regular season team ever couldnt beat them once Bob got in net.

And really, Leafs got to play their game agaisnt Florida. I'll even say outplayed them in games 1, 2 and the rest were even. Florida gave up so many 2-1 it's comical but Bob was in the way.

Yeah same shit different year buddy.

Team is amazing, we got goalie'd, too much bad luck, amazing core omg such an amazing core they'll get it done when they don't get goalie'd.

The Dubas fans became Montreal fans when they knocked off Toronto 2 years ago too, they're a fickle bunch.

 

[Enniskillen]

Yawn, who cares about Spezza? Not a difference maker.

 

[phillipmike]

Inexperienced in the front office yes, but I think he definitely had some value. The guy is one year removed from being an everyday NHL player inside that dressing room. He would have a lot of insight to provide the next GM as to the character of every guy in that room and who should stay and who should go. Spezza appeared to be one of the only true leaders in that dressing room in his time here.

Agreed and if he did that and no one was moved after a year with Dubas, then some may conclude that perhaps he told Dubas there isn’t any problems in the room. And that may be a problem.

 

[HofT]

Yeah same shit different year buddy.

Team is amazing, we got goalie'd, too much bad luck, amazing core omg such an amazing core they'll get it done when they don't get goalie'd.

The Dubas fans became Montreal fans when they knocked off Toronto 2 years ago too, they're a fickle bunch.

I get your impatient but acting on complete emotion will lead to bad decisions. The fact Spezza left pretty much shows the players will probably do the same.

And with the cap going up and JT's contract coming up, Dubas could have signed AM, MM, Willy and even JT to cap friendly contracts that will allow the team to have more depth.

Instead, it's likely we signed them at their highs and will now trade them at their lows. It's unfortunate.

 

[IPS]

I get your impatient but acting on complete emotion will lead to bad decisions. The fact Spezza left pretty much shows the players will probably do the same.

And with the cap going up and JT's contract coming up, Dubas could have signed AM, MM, Willy and even JT to cap friendly contracts that will allow the team to have more depth.

Instead, it's likely we signed them at their highs and will now trade them at their lows. It's unfortunate.

Nothing the core does would shock me at this point. They've been coddled so badly for their entire careers that anything that disrupts any of their demands would probably make them reluctant to stay with the team.

The core wanted Dubas back because he's their ticket to getting the biggest retirement contract possible. Matthews' camp's plan was probably to slow walk Dubas to his NMC and viciously use their leverage to make Matthews the highest paid player in the league by a good margin. Marner same shit next year.

With the way these shitheads keep turning up in the postseason I'm beyond sick of their demands at this point in time. Taking away Dubas which was their key to getting their giant retirement contracts from Dubas makes me happy.

 

[Jmo89]

I'm guessing Spezza isn't a mover and shaker in that front office having just completed his rookie season and attached to Dubas basically as a management intern. But I wonder if it represents a larger schism in the front office. Kyle guys vs Brendan guys.

Expecting more resignations to come

Shanahan wavered from his original message with his loyalty to Dubas. Hopefully he gets back to the message he preached his first couple years here.

It's clear the front office needs a purge and Dubas' ego became worse than the core 4. Let his little soldiers follow him out the door.

I get your impatient but acting on complete emotion will lead to bad decisions. The fact Spezza left pretty much shows the players will probably do the same.

And with the cap going up and JT's contract coming up, Dubas could have signed AM, MM, Willy and even JT to cap friendly contracts that will allow the team to have more depth.

Instead, it's likely we signed them at their highs and will now trade them at their lows. It's unfortunate.

Uncertainty is uncomfortable, I get that. But Dubas has done nothing to indicate he would extend those guys to cap friendly contracts. He's literally done the opposite.

 

[capfit9]

If I were the Leafs i’d be preparing to file tampering charge on another team

 

[yubbers]

People are seriously yearning the loss of Jason Spezza ?

He has spent a decent ammout of cash in my shop. I don't want him to leave mid-town! :p