Confirmed with Link: Spezza tenders resignation - Update 6/14 Named Penguins AGM

[Leaffan1991]

It was too comfortable here anyway. It's time everybody gets uncomfortable, especially the core 4

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

The vibes around this franchise right now are absolutely rancid.

 

[PromisedLand]

Wait...is Babs still on the books?

I think MLSE released a statement that they are still Babcock 25 million dollars to not coach when there was media scrutiny about them not extending dubas.

 

[Aashir Mallik]

Well he was paid to be a cheerleader

It’s good he is gone, he added nothing in terms of management

 

[nuck]

Do you think I cheered for the Leafs when I became Leafs fan when I was 12? I dont care about the person, unlike you do. I care about the fact that the very first results came while he was the GM, after all those miserable years under JFJ, Nonis and Burke. I bet you dont even know what I'm talking about, you didnt experience those years, otherwise you would understand.

I don't want to get flamed for pointing this out but Lou's last year was pretty comparable to this season. 17-18 they had 105 points and took the eventual Cup champion to 7 games. That was with none of the Big 3 hitting 70 points yet. This season they had 111 points and won one more playoff game.

The biggest difference is they now have no cap space, a bunch of 1sts traded for players no longer here and the Big 3 ready to take advantage of their NT protection. You could argue they are in much worse position than when Dubas started out.

 

[Mess]

He’s a special assistant to the GM. Basically a made up title.

Who cares if he’s gone? He was nothing more than sidekick for Dubas in the pressbox.

This move makes complete sense as Spezza was there only for Dubas, and without Dubas the position doesn't exist.

 

[nuck]

Wait...is Babs still on the books?

End of June he is done feeding at the Blue and White trough. And his name keeps coming up.

 

[yubbers]

End of June he is done feeding at the Blue and White trough. And his name keeps coming up.

LOL.

Same day as Kyle.

 

[dubey]

Spezza vs Shanahan charity boxing match plz

 

[Squiffy]

Shanahan is cleaning house. Looks like there was some issues between him and the staff and that’s good news as he realizes the team was built wrong. Start moving players and contracts and bring in competent people who use logic over stats and spreadsheets.

I don’t think this is a big deal, the new GM will bring in their own guys. I would however expect a mass exodus of people within the organization.

Not seeing cleaning house here. We’ve seen Shanahan do that, this isn’t it. Some moves once a new gm is in place probably happens, but I don’t know why you’d tear down say analytics or nutrition or anything. By all accounts it’s the envy of the league.

No. That was the day we hired Dubas.

Buckle up for AM to walk next. Have you not figured out I'm basically clairvoyant yet?

Ya, don’t see that happening.

This team is imploding due to everyone's high ego. Unfortunate and comical to see.

Changing the GM isn’t imploding at all. It happens. This is a good team, some GM guys s walking in to a great situation.

Sometimes you have to burn it all down to build for the better. The sun shall rise again and Leafs will FINALLY improve and get better.

Again, no reason to think some massive tear down is coming. It’s not.

I think MLSE released a statement that they are still Babcock 25 million dollars to not coach when there was media scrutiny about them not extending dubas.

No, this was the last year of paying Babs. They owed him that when they let him go.


Good luck to Spezza, obvious resignation is obvious.

 

[Apex Predator]

Sometimes you have to burn it all down to build for the better. The sun shall rise again and Leafs will FINALLY improve and get better.

Sometimes you knock it down and see that the foundation wasn’t done properly.

 

[HofT]

Not seeing cleaning house here. We’ve seen Shanahan do that, this isn’t it. Some moves once a new gm is in place probably happens, but I don’t know why you’d tear down say analytics or nutrition or anything. By all accounts it’s the envy of the league.



Ya, don’t see that happening.



Changing the GM isn’t imploding at all. It happens. This is a good team, some GM guys s walking in to a great situation.


Again, no reason to think some massive tear down is coming. It’s not.


No, this was the last year of paying Babs. They owed him that when they let him go.


Good luck to Spezza, obvious resignation is obvious.

The players' loyalty is likely diminish now that Dubas has departed. Had Dubas been handling negotiations, it's possible the players would have understood the team's cap constraints. However, with the organization removing Dubas, the players will likely explore the UFA market, as it is in their best interest to do so. And if we try to trade them we are getting the lowest value from them.

Leafs have bought high and sold low.

 

[Aashir Mallik]

The players' loyalty is likely diminish now that Dubas has departed. Had Dubas been handling negotiations, it's possible the players would have understood the team's cap constraints. However, with the organization removing Dubas, the players will likely explore the UFA market, as it is in their best interest to do so. And if we try to trade them we are getting the lowest value from them.

Leafs have bought high and sold low.

No that wasn’t happening

They shafted us before, they will try to do it again. They were never loyal players, they were just players. Loyalty doesn’t mean being overpaid 1-3 million with 2-3 less years

Moreover, I’m glad we don’t have the pushover back to sign them to their bloated deals

But the last statement makes sense. I see what you are saying at the end. We paid them so much when we should’ve been able to pay lower and now even if we trade we probably don’t get 100% fair value. It is what it is, but that’s what happens when you stick with a GM who cannot admit he is wrong

 

[Dekes For Days]

Sometimes you have to burn it all down to build for the better.

And that time is when you're entering a lengthy rebuild, not when you're a top tier team with top tier players in their prime.

 

[Guided by Veseys]

Who cares. He is a Senator for life anyway.

This team was going nowhere anyway. Dubas would have run back the core and the d wasn’t looking great last series either. He had no money and no prospects or picks left to trade.
The leafs looked worse than usual in the regular season, lucked past Tampa who looked better, and couldn’t quite handle the Panthers forecheck or defence.
The next GM can run it back without Spezza in the press box to cheer Dubas on. Won’t make any difference.

 

[Dangles McGavin]

Makes sense. Spezza was a fun guy to have around but he seemingly doesn't do anything except hang out with the players and cheer from the box.

Good luck to him with whatever's next.

 

[HofT]

No that wasn’t happening

They shafted us before, they will try to do it again. They were never loyal players, they were just players. Loyalty doesn’t mean being overpaid 1-3 million with 2-3 less years

Moreover, I’m glad we don’t have the pushover back to sign them to their bloated deals

But the last statement makes sense. I see what you are saying at the end. We paid them so much when we should’ve been able to pay lower and now even if we trade we probably don’t get 100% fair value. It is what it is, but that’s what happens when you stick with a GM who cannot admit he is wrong

It wasn't that they shafted us. I genuinely believe they had confidence in this group's ability to win. They were incredibly young and bursting with potential, so it's only natural they held high hopes. Most of us did and for the most part they did perform very well. However, the outcome is clear and speaks for itself. We're not winning a cup with so much cap tied up.

With that said, these are still amazing young players that we're lucky to have. And now, it seems the Leafs had an opportunity to potentially re-sign them when their value is at its lowest with Dubas as their guy. Unfortunately, it appears we will be taking a different direction with what I said above.

Ultimately, we acquired them at a high cost, and it seems we will be parting ways with them at a lower value.

 

[PROUD PAPA]

The players' loyalty is likely diminish now that Dubas has departed. Had Dubas been handling negotiations, it's possible the players would have understood the team's cap constraints. However, with the organization removing Dubas, the players will likely explore the UFA market, as it is in their best interest to do so. And if we try to trade them we are getting the lowest value from them.

Leafs have bought high and sold low.

I don’t know about their loyalty but I bet their cozy comfort level suffered a big blow.

 

[Dale Gribble]

I'm guessing Spezza isn't a mover and shaker in that front office having just completed his rookie season and attached to Dubas basically as a management intern. But I wonder if it represents a larger schism in the front office. Kyle guys vs Brendan guys.

Wasn't Dubas a Brendan guy though, along with most of the management brought in with Dubas ?

 

[HofT]

I don’t know about their loyalty but I bet their cozy comfort level suffered a big blow.

Do you actually think these players weren't trying?

 

[PROUD PAPA]

Do you actually think these players weren't trying?

I think they weren’t worried.

 

[Cleetus]

To be seen what kind of character he has. Is he part of the "righting the ship" crew or does he decide to abandon the ship

 

[Ulysses31]

Will queefe be next?

 

[PROUD PAPA]

Will queefe be next?

I would imagine so. If he’d had more playoff success he may have had a chance.

 

[HofT]

I think they weren’t worried.

Worried about what? About being on the Leafs? Regardless of the team, their exceptional talent ensures promising NHL careers, also due to their youth. Such players are rare, and this organization might take that for granted and eventually regret it.

As I said, we may have been to sign them on good deals that will leave the Leafs with cap space so we can actually win the whole thing. But it looks like we bought them high and will be selling low.