Confirmed with Link: Spezza tenders resignation - Update 6/14 Named Penguins AGM

[Leaf Fans]

How will he be replaced?!?!?!?!

Just hire someone else.

If I were the Leafs i’d be preparing to file tampering charge on another team

Has another team tampered?

 

[HofT]

Nothing the core does would shock me at this point. They've been coddled so badly for their entire careers that anything that disrupts any of their demands would probably make them reluctant to stay with the team.

The core wanted Dubas back because he's their ticket to getting the biggest retirement contract possible. Matthews' camp's plan was probably to slow walk Dubas to his NMC and viciously use their leverage to make Matthews the highest paid player in the league by a good margin. Marner same shit next year.

With the way these shitheads keep turning up in the postseason I'm beyond sick of their demands at this point in time. Taking away Dubas which was their key to getting their giant retirement contracts from Dubas makes me happy.

I just doubt that's they're intention. Doesn't make sense when you think about the timeline and the expected result we all assumed were to happen.

They're all aware that didn't happen and that the team needs cap room to build an in depth team.

 

[Daisy Jane]

I don't want to get flamed for pointing this out but Lou's last year was pretty comparable to this season. 17-18 they had 105 points and took the eventual Cup champion to 7 games. That was with none of the Big 3 hitting 70 points yet. This season they had 111 points and won one more playoff game.

The biggest difference is they now have no cap space, a bunch of 1sts traded for players no longer here and the Big 3 ready to take advantage of their NT protection. You could argue they are in much worse position than when Dubas started out.

to be fair, a lot of those moves were made assuming the cap would rise (which was projected) and then, you know, COVID happened, and it really didn't.


Bye Spezza. not really going to fuss about people who don't wanna be here

I'm again just finding it very amusing how people are like. "oh Lou and Babcock got things done." when they basically did the same thing as Dubas and Keefe. some great moves. some curious moves, some why did you do this moves, had great regular seasons and then the players could not clue in, and the coach failed to adapt. End of story

 

[ChurchOfMatthews]

His talks with his family were about them being ok with moving to his new team's city....Spezza & others probably tagging along....oh, and Keefe as well

I wonder if he's going to fill his new team with good ole Soo boys?

 

[Menzinger]

The funny thing was Shanny's offseason plan up until literally a few hours ago was go with Dubas and his extended group

Now he' forced to completely reinvent the wheel in the comin days. Fair enough that Spezza wasn't a decisive part of the front office, but it really goes to show me that they're going to have to now rebuild everything from the ground up before they even begin to think about the big decisions like what to do with the core.

They have literally just days to think about these things

 

[TheShape]

Dubas and Spezza both end up in Ottawa.

 

[yubbers]

to be fair, a lot of those moves were made assuming the cap would rise (which was projected) and then, you know, COVID happened, and it really didn't.


Bye Spezza. not really going to fuss about people who don't wanna be here

I'm again just finding it very amusing how people are like. "oh Lou and Babcock got things done." when they basically did the same thing as Dubas and Keefe. some great moves. some curious moves, some why did you do this moves, had great regular seasons and then the players could not clue in, and the coach failed to adapt. End of story

Shanny hiring Dubas was the beginning of the end. Who was saying that from day 1? Hmmmmm. He's super handsome......:p

There was zero chance Babs was gonna listen to some Milhouse looking rookie telling him how to build a team. ZERO. Then they fired him for being mean. And the Muskoka 5 was reborn.

How many times do you need to see this movie? We need a solid and strict corporate culture. Too easy to lose kids to the fame here. Lou and Babs were doing that.

The funny thing was Shanny's offseason plan up until literally a few hours ago was go with Dubas and his extended group

Now he' forced to completely reinvent the wheel in the comin days. Fair enough that Spezza wasn't a decisive part of the front office, but it really goes to show me that they're going to have to now rebuild everything from the ground up before they even begin to think about the big decisions like what to do with the core.

They have literally just days to think about these things

Any time an AM contract comes up Shanny be like ....

 

[mcleex]

I appreciate him taking those poverty contracts for two seasons

But what was his management role? Assistant to the regional manager

 

[Aashir]

I appreciate him taking those poverty contracts for two seasons

But what was his management role? Assistant to the regional manager

Exactly

I loved him as a player, complete warrior for us and did everything he possibly could

As a “management role” guy? He was dubas’s honorary yes man and cheerleader. I don’t mind him not being here

I’ll always respect him as the player, but forget about him as the Dwight Schrute

 

[LeafSteel]

I think this was a preemptive move by Spezza, but I do think he has value and could have been a good addition to our executive brain trust.

I think wherever Dubas lands, Spezza will land there as well.

 

[ACC1224]

Do we know why he left? Seems weird.
( Sorry it’s late and I don’t want to read the whole thread )

 

[nuck]

to be fair, a lot of those moves were made assuming the cap would rise (which was projected) and then, you know, COVID happened, and it really didn't.


Bye Spezza. not really going to fuss about people who don't wanna be here

I'm again just finding it very amusing how people are like. "oh Lou and Babcock got things done." when they basically did the same thing as Dubas and Keefe. some great moves. some curious moves, some why did you do this moves, had great regular seasons and then the players could not clue in, and the coach failed to adapt. End of story

There's no question that Covid and the flat cap hammered the Dubas plan. That combined with the JT signing changed the Leafs into a bargain basement shopper every year. But every club had expectations for cap growth and went thru Covid with some others being vastly improved.

It isn't about it being "oh Lou and Mike" but rather going back to the starting point to identify how far the club has really come. For all the moves Kyle made since he replaced Lou the net improvement to the club isn't there at all. Fundamentally the club never built on that first year. GM hires coach and GM assembles lineup. If the coach or lineup was the real problem it should have been identified after one of the earlier playoff crashes.

 

[Squiffy]

The funny thing was Shanny's offseason plan up until literally a few hours ago was go with Dubas and his extended group

Now he' forced to completely reinvent the wheel in the comin days. Fair enough that Spezza wasn't a decisive part of the front office, but it really goes to show me that they're going to have to now rebuild everything from the ground up before they even begin to think about the big decisions like what to do with the core.

They have literally just days to think about these things

Is it really rebuild ground up though? They have what, a couple hundred staff, there's two down we know of? I just don't see this derailing the Leafs as a team, they will be back at work Tuesday Leafing. 8 years ago, Shanahan took a flamethrower to the entire operation, fired everything that moved that wasn't named Carlton. That was ground up.

The foundation is there now. There's going to be a new chief and some changes will happen, but as an organization, corporately, we are light years from that day. It's going to be ok.

Do we know why he left? Seems weird.
( Sorry it’s late and I don’t want to read the whole thread )

Just reading the tea leafs (intended) I think. Was there at Dubas pleasure evidently and no interest in a change. He didn't need it.

 

[ACC1224]

The funny thing was Shanny's offseason plan up until literally a few hours ago was go with Dubas and his extended group

Now he' forced to completely reinvent the wheel in the comin days. Fair enough that Spezza wasn't a decisive part of the front office, but it really goes to show me that they're going to have to now rebuild everything from the ground up before they even begin to think about the big decisions like what to do with the core.

They have literally just days to think about these things

I’m going to assume that they have a contingency. You’d have to be an idiot not to have a contingency.

 

[hfman]

no one knows what really happened

spezza could have quit


or they could have fired him but told him "we'll let you resign first"...an EXTREMELY common practice


we have no idea what happened here but who cares. he's gone

i could never believe of all people Spezza was up there in the pressbox with Dubas in the first place. Never in a million years did I see him as being in management of any team let alone Toronto

might be one of the nicest guys out there but having him as a potential GM or something? I'm not seeing it

 

[WillNy29]

The phoenix rises from the ashes.

If that is what it takes then so shall it be done!

have yet to see any phoenixes rise in Detroit, buffalo etc....We should be worried that we're about to enter another decade of darkness

 

[Stephen]

The funny thing was Shanny's offseason plan up until literally a few hours ago was go with Dubas and his extended group

Now he' forced to completely reinvent the wheel in the comin days. Fair enough that Spezza wasn't a decisive part of the front office, but it really goes to show me that they're going to have to now rebuild everything from the ground up before they even begin to think about the big decisions like what to do with the core.

They have literally just days to think about these things

Wes Clark, the amateur scouting guy, Brandon Pridham the money guy and Haley Wickenheiser the AGM are still here. So unless they are actually cardboard cut outs the draft and free agent budgeting should still be operational. Shanahan can come down from his tower and provide more on the ground direction. Spezza, all due respect, was more of the popcorn guy.

 

[Leafs87]

I genuinely always felt him getting a front office job was a compensation for signing at league min. Best of luck Spezza! A little part of me wishes we signed Perry but Spezza was good too

 

[Ianturnedbull]

Spezza chicken tenders...

 

[ClarkSittler]

And it continues...

They're going to destroy everything.

Yes it's such a shame they're breaking up the Leaf juggernaut that won a whopping 1 playoff series in 9 years. Oh the horror!

 

[tony135420]

 

[BigBlu]

Spezza moves with Dubas. It’s his safe play and source of power until he develops his own credibility further.

 

[Gabriel426]

Agreed and if he did that and no one was moved after a year with Dubas, then some may conclude that perhaps he told Dubas there isn’t any problems in the room. And that may be a problem.

I think Muzz can be that role if he wants to, but I would rather Muzz be beard and our GM finds a Ted Lasso

 

[Menzinger]

I’m going to assume that they have a contingency. You’d have to be an idiot not to have a contingency.

Id hope so. But I don't see evidence of anything yet. I also won't be surprised if Shanny is making it up as he goes along

 

[WillyC]

Vintage knows Shanny is the problem.