Speculation: Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXIV

[Ola]

As we spoke about so often on here at the time, we didn't have the personnel for a man-man D system. It was such a dumb system to implement. The guys without the agility and foot speed got badly exposed and it made them look horrific. That's just a coach really stubbornly trying to force the players to fit a system to the detriment of everyone.

Just prior, Tortorella's "black and blue" brand of hockey put a lot of miles on our defense very quickly, which also didn't help anything, either.

I look at Corsi to some degree, but I don't put all my stock in it. Corsi is what it is, but there's 4 other guys on the ice with you, too, who are influencing those numbers.

Perhaps, but it’s also a coin that has two sides and it was never about the best way to play defense. We also didn’t have guys that could move the puck there meaning that there would have been a great risk for us to be very flat offensively.

The defense were the sole reason for why we could have so high shooting percentage those years. We played defense with speed under our skates and when we won the puck we could turn the play really fast, often with a cross ice pass, and hence avoided the tremendous problems we faced under Torts against hard checking teams nor did the trap kill us offensively.

Defensively we sucked and lived on Hank. But sometimes this issue is talked about as only being about defense, it wasn’t as simple as that for sure.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

I really would like to see that 3rd line of Kreider Goodrow Chytil. I don't care who's in the middle.

6'2 203
6'2 206
6'3 217

I thought Chytil's defensive game took a few small strides last year. He's got more to learn there but I feel like with his frame he fits in really nicely on that line. He's always been a dog on the forecheck.

Goodrow isn't fleet of foot, but he won't have to be with those two on either side of him. He stops on pucks. That's something you want rubbing off on the other two. He and Chytil can take draws, so you have two centers out there which will be important, but especially on the road when Gallant could have them out more often against top lines and at the end of games.

The key on this line is Kreider. I was fine with his extension, unlike many fans. Kreider will be in game shape until he's 50. H'es a freak, never a concern there. He will have wheels past 40. Won't be an issue. He's always going to give you 22-28 goals (though he scored at a pace to break 30 for the first time last season) and 20-25 helpers.

However, a vast majority of those points came on the top two scoring lines. Understood. If he's on this line you can't expect that. So the next argument from fans is why pay him that contract not to have the same offensive output?

Half of his goals are coming on the PP over the past few seasons and it's rising. He's mastered the front of the net on the PP. You keep him there. He'll likely get 10 or so on this line even strength. He's still breaking 20 goals IMO. The assists will drop.

With Kreider you get a veteran with 80 playoff games and trip to the finals to go along with Goodrow who has 65 and 2 Cups. He can play a tight game if needed. We've seen it. His game hasn't been perfect at times defensively but you keep him on the wing where he's comfortable. He can work on the finer in-zone responsibilities and his speed to pucks and getting out to the point is very valuable late in the game.

This could be a tremendous pseudo-checking line. Chytil can be groomed here to round out his game and get plenty of time to do it. And if Chytil takes the next step he could be the line driver Kreider and Goodrow need to help their transition games. If you need to kill time or sustain a forecheck after goal, dump the puck in and Kreids will retrieve it. This could be a slight reinvention of a player who may excel in a role that isn't centered around offense.

 

[rangers1314]

I believe it said that the Rangers were streaming the Saturday scrimmage.

Said NYR are NOT streaming, Flyers will be for the one held at their place

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Said NYR are NOT streaming, Flyers will be for the one held at their place

Billion dollar organization, people...

 

[RGY]

Billion dollar organization, people...

Pathetic.

 

[chosen]

If the team had been able to build a competent third pairing last year I’m sure Miller’s minutes would have been cut down. They didn’t do him any favors shoving minutes down his throat when he started to struggle. The issue being, the options were Smith, Hajek or Bitetto and we know now, that the coach was coaching for his job.

All coaches are always coaching for their job.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Never will understand why the Devils, who have the fan support of Bishop Sycamore, have 1000000000x the coverage that we do.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

Your most valuable franchise in the NHL:

Extremely weak fan access relative to other teams. Many teams stream prospect and regular camp scrimmages, with an actual camera on a tripod instead of someone's phone on periscope.

Main writer in the Athletic hasn't published an article in almost 2 weeks despite the team's GM holding a press conference and prospect development camp running. Just replies "badass" to random tweets twice a day (I thought @Tob made this up, looked at Carp's twitter and had a ridiculously long laugh).

 

[cwede]

Your most valuable franchise in the NHL:
Extremely weak fan access relative to other teams. Many teams stream prospect and regular camp scrimmages, with an actual camera on a tripod instead of someone's phone on periscope.
Main writer in the Athletic hasn't published an article in almost 2 weeks despite the team's GM holding a press conference and prospect development camp running.

which fan base whines better?

 

[rangers1314]

Your most valuable franchise in the NHL:

Extremely weak fan access relative to other teams. Many teams stream prospect and regular camp scrimmages, with an actual camera on a tripod instead of someone's phone on periscope.

Main writer in the Athletic hasn't published an article in almost 2 weeks despite the team's GM holding a press conference and prospect development camp running. Just replies "badass" to random tweets twice a day (I thought @Tob made this up, looked at Carp's twitter and had a ridiculously long laugh).

For as pathetic as NYR look for their weak coverage, The Athletic looks 100x worse for continuing to employ someone who is so obviously checked out.

They expect people to actually pay for Carps coverage. Hilarious.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

which fan base whines better?

Calling out your most diehard fans for caring...seems like a smart business decision. See that in the NFL all the time.

 

[Mac n Gs]

Where are the scrimmages being played? If they’re being held at the practice facility, isn’t there an issue there with getting the proper A/V setup to be able to properly stream the game?

 

[rangers1314]

 

[Lion Hound]

Your most valuable franchise in the NHL:

Extremely weak fan access relative to other teams. Many teams stream prospect and regular camp scrimmages, with an actual camera on a tripod instead of someone's phone on periscope.

Main writer in the Athletic hasn't published an article in almost 2 weeks despite the team's GM holding a press conference and prospect development camp running. Just replies "badass" to random tweets twice a day (I thought @Tob made this up, looked at Carp's twitter and had a ridiculously long laugh).

Very true, especially when you factor that they actually have their own network. How there isn't better coverage of the team is puzzling.


Not to mention this...

Your top five most valuable NHL franchises:

1. New York Rangers - $1.65 billion
2. Toronto Maple Leafs - $1.5 billion
3. Montreal Canadiens - $1.34 billion
4. Chicago Blackhawks - $1.085 billion
5. Boston Bruins - $1 billion

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Trouba and Fox are doing media tours for the team today

if that’s not an indication one of them will be captain I’m not sure what is

 

[Leetch3]

Trouba and Fox are doing media tours for the team today

if that’s not an indication one of them will be captain I’m not sure what is

media where?

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Never will understand why the Devils, who have the fan support of Bishop Sycamore, have 1000000000x the coverage that we do.

The Rangers don't put any effort in because they don't care.

The reason they don't care, is because they can afford not to.

The Rangers can delete all their social media accounts, never show any content on MSG Networks aside from actual games, and MSG will still be packed. They will still sell tickets to tourists, strike deals with corporations, invite celebrities.

This organization does not need fans to exist, and because of that, they have no incentive to cater to that fanbase.

 

[RangerBoy]

The Rangers have $30,441,031 in cap space for 22-23. 13 players signed.

Panarin
Kreider
Lafrenière
Chytil
Goodrow
Reeves

Trouba
Lindgren
Miller
Lundkvist
Nemeth
Tinordi

Shesterkin

That Chicago situation is a joke.

 

[SA16]

The Rangers don't put any effort in because they don't care.

The reason they don't care, is because they can afford not to.

The Rangers can delete all their social media accounts, never show any content on MSG Networks aside from actual games, and MSG will still be packed. They will still sell tickets to tourists, strike deals with corporations, invite celebrities.

This organization does not need fans to exist, and because of that, they have no incentive to cater to that fanbase.

They didn't even wish Henrik Lundqvist happy birthday.

 

[huerter]

The Rangers don't put any effort in because they don't care.

The reason they don't care, is because they can afford not to.

The Rangers can delete all their social media accounts, never show any content on MSG Networks aside from actual games, and MSG will still be packed. They will still sell tickets to tourists, strike deals with corporations, invite celebrities.

This organization does not need fans to exist, and because of that, they have no incentive to cater to that fanbase.

Bingo!

Literally...I just got bingo on my card.

 

[jay from jersey]

I’ll get burned at the stake for this but I thought Skjei looked wayyy better as a rookie than Miller did

He did as a whole. He was also more seasoned. Skjei got his long term deal based on that excellent rookie campaign where he scored 40 pts and was frankly better then McDonagh in the playoffs. Injuries may have contributed to that.
It was Skjei s tools that made people drool.
However, his brain couldn’t catch up with his physical attributes and his offense died out instead of progressing. When put into a bigger role, instead of succeeding he crashed and burned. He’s still a middle pair D with a good partner, because of his skating/size, but he’s the definition of limited.
There were points during miller’s rookie year where he looked better then Skjei in his. Remember him abusing Crosby behind the net? I loved that.
But as a whole, Skjei s Rookie year was more polished.

 

[Lion Hound]

The Rangers have $30,441,031 in cap space for 22-23. 13 players signed.

Panarin
Kreider
Lafrenière
Chytil
Goodrow
Reeves

Trouba
Lindgren
Miller
Lundkvist
Nemeth
Tinordi

Shesterkin

That Chicago situation is a joke.

Linda Cohn was on SiriusXM Radio after her interview with Kane. You can tell that she's trying to create the angle that he is misunderstood, and has a Gambling addition and he wants to help others with a Gambling addiction. Her spin is so obvious, trying to make him look like he's really a good guy trying to help others.

I wish people would just call it like it is. This guy is a bad dad. A bad husband. A bad teammate. A bad gambler. And a terrible ambassador of the game of hockey. So, lets not call it anything different ESPN.

 

[JohnC]

I don’t believe this.

 

[RangerBoy]

Linda Cohn was on SiriusXM Radio after her interview with Kane. You can tell that she's trying to create the angle that he is misunderstood, and has a Gambling addition and he wants to help others with a Gambling addiction. Her spin is so obvious, trying to make him look like he's really a good guy trying to help others.

I wish people would just call it like it is. This guy is a bad dad. A bad husband. A bad teammate. A bad gambler. And a terrible ambassador of the game of hockey. So, lets not call it anything different ESPN.

The entire SJ team hates Kane. I read Timo Meier is his only friend on the team. The Sharks tried to trade Meier but they couldn't find a taker. The Sharks spoke to the Devils about Meier. The player is also owed a lot of money on his contract. His base salary is $4M(SJ paid a $2M signing bonus) this season and $10M in 22-23. Yep. $10M. Good luck. Winnipeg had a hard time finding a taker for Kane. Buffalo couldn't get a #1 pick for Kane but they ended up with a #1 pick when SJ signed Kane.

Doug Wilson has been trying to trade Kane. Nobody wants that guy.

 

[haohmaru]

For as pathetic as NYR look for their weak coverage, The Athletic looks 100x worse for continuing to employ someone who is so obviously checked out.

They expect people to actually pay for Carps coverage. Hilarious.

Unless I’m missing something the only thing he’s published since 8/10 is a mailbag. The other article was Shayna’s. I do subscribe but I won’t renew. This is awful.