Miller has the chance to be a star in this league. He never played more than 40 games in a season in his life. It's not hard to understand why he struggled down the stretch... The NHL schedule is rigorous and adjustments are needed. If he continues to progress, there is no telling what his potential can be... Looking forward to his sophomore season.
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Skjei was 2 years older as a Rookie than Miller was.
EdJovanovski
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I know, I’m not arguing that Miller won’t ever be better than Skjei. People were comparing Miller to rookie Skjei though and I think rookie Skjei was a lot better. People forget how hyped we were about Skjei, he was seen as the next McDonagh. I remember all the crazy trade proposals for elite players and other teams fans always saying it starts with Skjei lol
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Miller is going to need time and Ranger fans aren’t patient enough to wait that long
If he doesn’t light it up this season you’ll have people saying it’s time to move on from him
meanwhile every other fanbase in the league takes Miller in their top 6 long term cause he’ll be a staple defenseman in a few years
If he doesn’t light it up this season you’ll have people saying it’s time to move on from him
meanwhile every other fanbase in the league takes Miller in their top 6 long term cause he’ll be a staple defenseman in a few years
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If that's referring to my post, I'd say that's more or less one of the points I was making too. Skjei played much more aggressively and assertively than Miller did, but over time failed to make adjustments and proved himself to be more or less a one trick pony.
Miller OTOH made a lot of plays throughout the year that showed patience, IQ, and creativity. He could do many things in small areas that Skjei doesn't do. It didn't always work out for him, but to my eyes he proved to have a much fuller toolbox than Skjei did, even if he's still behind where Skjei was as a rookie (albeit an older one) as far as translating those tools to the NHL level.
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The only flaw in this argument is that Skjei plateaued and started to decline after his rookie year. His rookie year was the best hockey he's ever played. Gorton did well to sell him off last year for good value. Million dollar athleticism and tools but a $1 brain.
Adam Fox, for example? $10 million dollar brain but with only $10,000 physical tools. What made defensemen like Nik Lidstrom and Brian Leetch great were how they think the game. Fox is no different and barring catastrophic injury, is going to go down as one of the all time greats.
EdJovanovski
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I don’t know if Fox’s tools are THAT bad
people talk as if Fox is Stephen Hawking or something, like he’s barely even able to physically function but has a galaxy brain lmao
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Professor X is a better comparisonI don’t know if Fox’s tools are THAT bad
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I would say no one has the shutdown ability potential of KAM on the team... and it's not even close.
He could be a massive piece moving forward in shutting down other teams top players... IF he realizes his full potential. We saw glimpses in his rookie season.. It should only get better.
He could be a massive piece moving forward in shutting down other teams top players... IF he realizes his full potential. We saw glimpses in his rookie season.. It should only get better.
I don’t know if Fox’s tools are THAT bad
They aren't THAT bad but in comparison to some of the other top D in this league, he definitely lags behind in physical tools. It's why it's taken so long for some people to come around on him and why others, despite all hes done in this league, still haven't.
Its one of the reasons why Makar still gets top billing over him as far as the young D go despite all the warts that exist in his game (and there are several.)
HockeyBasedNYC
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HOLD. HOLD.
Main camp begins in about a week.
Almost, fellas.
Main camp begins in about a week.
Almost, fellas.
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But that $1 brain had the wherewithal to completely crush poor unsuspecting Jesper Fast and set the tone for a Canes sweep. It was like a pro wrestling heel turn. Then Fast went on to join his team. Complete mindf**k when you think about it.
HockeyBasedNYC
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Re: Miller -
He still can be seen as a raw player. I was surprised at how well he played last season, he was tremendous for the first half. Especially when you consider the minutes and matchups he was given. He was playing against the other teams best.
Honestly when JD was gushing about how great he was in the return camp before the Covid playoffs I was excited but a little skeptical and thought JD was pumping the tires a little bit.
I expected a little drop-off near the end of the year, but I really think Miller gets what being a pro is all about. I think he will only improve given his God-given physical talents.
Whether he is a true top pairing defenseman or not and who he is ultimately paired with is really irrelevant for me. He is going to have some serious value to this club, whether its on the ice for a long career or through a future trade.
I'd like to see him be more assertive this season physically. He can move the puck and provide some offensive which is fine, but the Rangers have enough of that. They need him to shut down the inside areas around the slot, be hard on the walls and use his pole vault sized stick to break up plays and keep things to the outside. Be more aware and improve his decision making on break-outs and exits.
Adding a dominating presence high up during the blue line entries and in front of the goalmouth is going to separate him from others in the pipeline. Its all there and he can attain it. If he does that he will be one heck of a solid player and many teams would love that have.
He still can be seen as a raw player. I was surprised at how well he played last season, he was tremendous for the first half. Especially when you consider the minutes and matchups he was given. He was playing against the other teams best.
Honestly when JD was gushing about how great he was in the return camp before the Covid playoffs I was excited but a little skeptical and thought JD was pumping the tires a little bit.
I expected a little drop-off near the end of the year, but I really think Miller gets what being a pro is all about. I think he will only improve given his God-given physical talents.
Whether he is a true top pairing defenseman or not and who he is ultimately paired with is really irrelevant for me. He is going to have some serious value to this club, whether its on the ice for a long career or through a future trade.
I'd like to see him be more assertive this season physically. He can move the puck and provide some offensive which is fine, but the Rangers have enough of that. They need him to shut down the inside areas around the slot, be hard on the walls and use his pole vault sized stick to break up plays and keep things to the outside. Be more aware and improve his decision making on break-outs and exits.
Adding a dominating presence high up during the blue line entries and in front of the goalmouth is going to separate him from others in the pipeline. Its all there and he can attain it. If he does that he will be one heck of a solid player and many teams would love that have.
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KAM just needs to play more hockey. 60 games at the college level is not enough for a 'raw' talent. Going straight into NHL for 50 games is a massive leap. He needs experience. With experience he should grow and mature.
Has anyone seen any news re: whether or not the scrimmages this weekend are being streamed?
rangers1314
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I mean, considering this organization doesn't even stream press conferences with their GM or when introducing their new HC....I seriously doubt they would for a scrimmage.
agreed. Would be shocked if they had them on MSG. On the other hand, maybe the philly market might stream them.
Or hopefully somewhere online.
HockeyBasedNYC
Feeling it
If someone takes a shit in the Yankees clubhouse its on a live stream.
Up until recently it was difficult to get a reliable live stream for Ranger GAMES
Up until recently it was difficult to get a reliable live stream for Ranger GAMES
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If KAM becomes a more mobile Marc Staal, that's great. He has the size, reach, and shutdown capabilities. I'm in no rush to trade him. He was barely 21 to start the season last January. Plenty of young d-men aren't even ready to sniff the NHL at his age.
Memories are very short. People remember Marc Staal for the rough contract and his last two or three years, but before the injuries, Marc Staal was an excellent defenseman, had some offense to his game, and even into starting his decline was still able to shut down Ovi and Crosby. He had the positioning and gap control down, but he just lost that extra step and then the vision. It snowballed from there.
KAM has the physical gifts. I think he has the hockey IQ and the brains. He just needs to get more comfortable doing it all at NHL speeds. I'm confident he'll get there. We've seen the flashes.
This is a kid who played 62 college games before jumping right to the NHL. He's going to be raw. I still don't think a little AHL time would be a bad thing for him.
Memories are very short. People remember Marc Staal for the rough contract and his last two or three years, but before the injuries, Marc Staal was an excellent defenseman, had some offense to his game, and even into starting his decline was still able to shut down Ovi and Crosby. He had the positioning and gap control down, but he just lost that extra step and then the vision. It snowballed from there.
KAM has the physical gifts. I think he has the hockey IQ and the brains. He just needs to get more comfortable doing it all at NHL speeds. I'm confident he'll get there. We've seen the flashes.
This is a kid who played 62 college games before jumping right to the NHL. He's going to be raw. I still don't think a little AHL time would be a bad thing for him.
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i haven't seen anything, but there is no precedent for NYR rookie preseason games (aside from Traverse City seasons) available for live watching/listening
and IMHO I don't agree with those who think there really ought to be,
or that the team is clueless, or behind-the-times, by keeping those games away from the public
yeah i get that you WANT it,
but these are internal, learning, evaluation and getting-ready-for big-camp events
there is no genuine benefit, to anyone involved, for this crowd to have access to a clip of something like
22 yr old 1st-rounder Morgan Frost deking around longshots, like Rempe or Berzolla, to score on 18-year-old Boyko
we are all impatient for hockey
the first pre-season game is only 11 days away
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Staal was a No 1 D for a this team while it accomplished pretty much.
What I think is completely missed, especially by a certain crowd starring itself blind on CF%, was that our man-man D under AV, while giving us an offensive advantage, really exposed the Ds. Like 3 of our top 6 Ds were deemed to be ‘worst in the league AINEC’ from time to time. I am not saying that Staal or Girardi were good Ds, but they were — very — far from ‘worst in the league’. Had they played for a coach with a strict zone defense they would have gotten by OK like a ton of other sub par defenders in this league.
I always get back to this, but Hedman at during his 3rd season in the NHL was at CF% 43 and CF rel -4.4%. During his 4th season he was at 45.4 and CF rel -3.2. Post that his fancy stats are best ever,
Why are we paying as much attention as we do on Miller’s fancy stats 3 years after his draft? Give him time.
I get what you mean, from my POV it is all about creating an echo system in which anyone that want to live and sleep NYR 24/7 can do that. Other sports are doing it.
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