Speculation: Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXIII

[Shesterkybomb]

Chytil has the size and speed to carry the puck better than strome, play in the corners better than strome, and play in the crease better than strome.

For all their effectiveness we saw time and again since the bubble that when things tighten up, strome cant do shit for panarin.



Chytil performed very well in his limited role. He outplayed his minutes and never saw a bump in ice time. Every time hes played with top six wingers--very few times--hes made them better. Buchnevich had fantastic results with chytil. Kreider had great results. Kakko had great results.

Name a player that played well in the bubble? I can't because everyone sucked including Chytil. Maybe Fox?

 

[Greg02]

I'm really high on Chytil and enjoy the way that he plays the game. The criticism often feels out of line with what he has delivered in the limited minutes that he has been given.

I do kind of wonder what the organization actually wants him to be, however. I can see the argument where maybe Chytil plays a Malkin style game without actually being Malkin that makes it hard to actually slot him into a lineup that's dominated by high skilled wingers.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I believe Gauthier and Kakko were 1 and 2, but Chytil was probably 3; he was right at Kakko's heels in a lot of possession metrics.

edit - of guys that played at least 100 minutes, Chytil was actually 8th.

IN 5v5 iHDCF?

He was tied for 3rd (with Laf.) Buch had 1 more than he did in 210 more ES minutes and Strome had 9 more in 243 more ES minutes.

Per 60 he was #2 behind Gauthier if we're setting 200 minutes as our threshold. He was #1 amongst regular players otherwise.

 

[TheDirtyH]

Yeah and that would be a great "3rd" line that could match up against pretty much anyone. It's not a traditional checking line that LB has tried to wish into existence, but there is size, speed, grind, defense with more than enough offense to justify its existence.

The issue with our current roster construct is that line would likely be used as a match up line against an opponents top line. Unless you load up Zibanejad and Panarin on one line and go with the "f*** you, we're going to out offense you" approach, but then you have a Panarin less Strome centering some combo of Kakko/Laf/Kravtsov/Blais, and if its Blais, one of Kakko/Laf/Kravtsov floating around with out anywhere to play (likely Krav.)

I understand the intrigue with Hertl from that aspect, he provides great offense and defense where you can load Panarin and Zibanejad, pair him with Laf and Kakko and still do work, and have that 3rd line. If the knees weren't an issue, I'd offer up Strome, Krav, Nils or Schneider and a top 10 protected 1st for a signed Hertl with out any hesitation.

Regardless, it doesn't have to be Hertl, but it can't be Strome. There isn't any defense there to speak of and there isn't enough offense from him sans Panarin to keep him around. He's a blocker right now more than he is an asset.

stromes being here at this point seems more predicated on his value (or lack thereof) around the league more so than his value on the team. I.e. his value is so low that his value to us (minimal if not detrimental in the ways you point out) is actually higher.

given Drury selling Buchnevich for pennies on the dollar and bridging Chytil, however, strome becomes a less legible situation to me.

 

[LokiDog]

That would put Gauthier in the top-6 with either Panarin-Strome or Lafrenière-Zibanejad.

Only if Kravtsov is playing on the 4th line.

If Goodrow, Kakko and Chytil were on the third line you’d have:

Zib, Panarin, Strome, Kreider, Laf, Krav rounding out the top six. Don’t see why Gauthier would be taking a spot from any of them.

 

[TheDirtyH]

Name a player that played well in the bubble? I can't because everyone sucked including Chytil.

he and Kakko were the only two players who didn’t suck. They were also 20 and 19 and in their first postseason games so no they didn’t put the team on their backs.

 

[Harbour Dog]

IN 5v5 iHDCF?

He was tied for 3rd (with Laf.) Buch had 1 more than he did in 210 more ES minutes and Strome had 9 more in 243 more ES minutes.

Per 60 he was #2 behind Gauthier if we're setting 200 minutes as our threshold. He was #1 amongst regular players otherwise.

Oops, no, I looked at on-ice 5v5 HDCF%!

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

Do the Islanders need to make a move to get under the cap or is someone LTIR eligible that Cap Friendly isn't showing?

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Are we seriously trying to pencil Gauthier into the top 6 when he's likely playing in the AHL this year.

 

[Harbour Dog]

Name a player that played well in the bubble? I can't because everyone sucked including Chytil. Maybe Fox?

Kakko.

 

[NoQuitInNewMexico]

Are we seriously trying to pencil Gauthier into the top 6 when he's likely playing in the AHL this year.

Isn't he waiver-eligible? I think they'd try to get a late pick for him if they don't want him on the Rangers

 

[LokiDog]

Do the Islanders need to make a move to get under the cap or is someone LTIR eligible that Cap Friendly isn't showing?

Boychuk, I think.

 

[jay from jersey]

I don't understand the standards Chytil is held to here. Several people have proven that people that get his minimal ES and non-existent PP time do not score as much as they want Chytil to. He had an incredible ES scoring rate especially given his linemates. It's so frustrating, he doesn't ever get great linemates, he doesn't get ice time, and he doesn't get PP time. He literally cannot do what this board wants him to do in his situation.

This is exactly right. And it’s probably the biggest reason why Strome should be traded, preferably before camp. Chytil has taken steps fwd every season. Some steps were small, some were larger. I want Chytl to have a legit role in the top 6 getting more minutes.
It’s been 5 years. I want them to ride him heavy, similar to what they did with zibby when we got him here.
By the end of the season, the FO should know if he can handle the position, or if a deal needs to be made and an upgrade has to be brought in.
I also think for what Drury/ Gallant are trying to do with our bottom 6, Chytil is miscast in that role they are looking for.
That’s the biggest part I think they are trying to avoid. You don’t know if he’s good enough for the top 6 over a whole year from his sample size so far, but he’s not the type of guy they want as a bottom 6 Center.
The only way Gallant/Drury figure this out is if they play him in that role, and I don’t see how this happens with Strome still in the fold.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Not definitively, but I also wouldn't hate it if he earned it with a strong preseason.

Who else is your top 6 RW with Kakko and Goodrow on the 3rd line? Kreider?

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Only if Kravtsov is playing on the 4th line.

If Goodrow, Kakko and Chytil were on the third line you’d have:

Zib, Panarin, Strome, Kreider, Laf, Krav rounding out the top six. Don’t see why Gauthier would be taking a spot from any of them.

Who are you playing out of position then? Kreider, Panarin or Lafrenière?

 

[IDvsEGO]

Shayna just put out an article on Chytil. Points out that one of us comparisons is Mika,
He actually got less ice time last year overall, but still put up similar points to the previous year.
He gets similar entry numbers to strome, but had less talented line mates.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

This is exactly right. And it’s probably the biggest reason why Strome should be traded, preferably before camp. Chytil has taken steps fwd every season. Some steps were small, some were larger. I want Chytl to have a legit role in the top 6 getting more minutes

I don't even think Chytil necessarily has to play in the top 6. There are other ways to get him minutes

But lets say that he snags a spot away from Strome in the top 6, Strome is still a problem. He's a poor fit on any other line and before someone suggests moving him to the wing (where we're already pretty loaded), I'd like to know what hes done to suggest that he'd be any good there either.

So the options are either...

1. Chytil to the top 6, Strome replaced by someone for the "3rd" line. I think this is what they were going for when they went after Danault.

2. Chytil plays on 3rd line, gets more minutes organically (PK, more shifts at ES when defending a lead) Strome replaced by someone for the 2nd line.

Option 2 is a more appealing one to me because it allows us to load a top line and still have a really good 2nd line, but either can work. Both are better than having to play Strome with Panarin becasue he literally can't play anywhere else.

 

[jay from jersey]

Part of the reason I am gung ho about trading Strome is because I think it's time for Chytil to be granted a larger role. It's time to see what he can do with the big boys. In saying that, the team really needs a 3C then that can support and move around the line-up in case of injuries. I THINK that guy should be Goodrow, but man it would have been nice to grab another center to play somewhere. Be that 4th line or 3rd line for a season as a 5th C in the case Strome was dealt.

Barron should be your Guy. He was already being Groomed as a Center in Hartford. They have the absolute perfect player in Goodrow to ride shotgun with him on 3rd line.
Goodrow-Barron-Kravtsov
Or
Kreider-Barron- Goodrow
Are both very good 3rd line options.

a Kreider-Barron- Blais life could also be an interesting trio if they want to move Goodrow around the line up. But if it were up to me, I’d have Goodrow and Barron stapled to each other for most of the season

 

[Lays]

Name a player that played well in the bubble? I can't because everyone sucked including Chytil. Maybe Fox?

Trouba

 

[Levitate]

One of the big problems last year was that Quinn didn't trust his 3rd line at all and really used it as a "put the guys I don't want to give lots of minutes to" on it and then rode his top two lines.

Gallant is supposed to roll his lines more than that, so even if Chytil isn't jumping up to the 2nd line this year he should get decent ES minutes and that line should have the potential to have a lot more utility than it did last year. I think Gallant is going to lean it on much more than Quinn ever did and Chytil will benefit from that

 

[Clark Kellogg]

This a NY Rangers Roster Building thread.
Could we please post other teams news and garbage on the Around the NHL thread.
One of the best things about being a Ranger fan is that we don’t care more about our opponents business than our own. That’s their baggage.

 

[jay from jersey]

Larkin would be my prefered center, im doubtful Detroit moves on from him without an overpay.

Agree With you 100%. I’d even be comfortable overpaying a little to get him, contingent of having enough to keep him and Zibby long term under the cap.

 

[Flan the incredible]

Am I the only one who thinks the Sorokin contract makes the Shesterkin contract look worse? Can't be good for Drury.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

Am I the only one who thinks the Sorokin contract makes the Shesterkin contract look worse? Can't be good for Drury.

Sorokin who has worse stats in half the amount of NHL games as Shesterkin? And Sorokin's contract is all RFA years while Shesterkin's is 3RFA and 1 UFA.

 

[Crease]

I like Chytil. I'm in no rush with him. But I can easily envision the Rangers trading Chytil for a lower ceiling "now" guy, if he doesn't put up 2C production this season. This will be the Rangers fifth season since their last playoff appearance.