Speculation: Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXIII

[Fitzy]

Genuinely the only thing not to like about Fil is his faceoff prowess.

I think having Goodrow on his wing will help with that tremendously.

I think of Chytil as the center ice version of Carl Hagelin, plus a lot more size and skill.

 

[Blais to Win]

Big part of this board would almost literally die to get rid of Chytil. Probably have posts queued up for after to bitch that the Rangers never develop their own centers.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

I think with Chytil it's less about the "now or never" being on him rather it's "now or never" for the team's usage of him. So far they appear to have been pretty much against including him in trades this offseason for another center, so if that's the case they believe he's got the potential to solve their problems internally. Unless they want to develop him into a 3rd line center, the time to use him as the 2nd line C guy is now. And then it's his opportunity to grab.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Chytil's biggest fault as an NHL player so far is that he played for a coach who refused to use him properly.

He has every tool to be an excellent middle 6 center. If he played for another team, we'd be trying to figure out what needs to go out in order to trade for him instead of setting timelines for how long he has to pop or trying to convince ourselves that hes actually a winger.

 

[pld459666]

I don't understand the standards Chytil is held to here. Several people have proven that people that get his minimal ES and non-existent PP time do not score as much as they want Chytil to. He had an incredible ES scoring rate especially given his linemates. It's so frustrating, he doesn't ever get great linemates, he doesn't get ice time, and he doesn't get PP time. He literally cannot do what this board wants him to do in his situation.

Its absurd and its coming from folks that I believe should know better.

 

[NYR Viper]

Part of the reason I am gung ho about trading Strome is because I think it's time for Chytil to be granted a larger role. It's time to see what he can do with the big boys. In saying that, the team really needs a 3C then that can support and move around the line-up in case of injuries. I THINK that guy should be Goodrow, but man it would have been nice to grab another center to play somewhere. Be that 4th line or 3rd line for a season as a 5th C in the case Strome was dealt.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Chytil's biggest issue here is that he isn't a player who compliments his wingers, its not a knock its just who he is as a player and his style of play. I don't see a time where Panarin asks to be on his wing, or Lafreniere for that matter, he's just not a give and go player, he's more of a straight line player who drives the net, its not a bad thing but if our top 6 has Laf and Panarin on different lines it's not ideal to have him as their center. I would absolutely love a 3rd line of Kreider Chytil and Goodrow because i think that line could play well together, get in on the forecheck and turn dmen around. To sum up, i like Chytil i just don't see him as a center for either Laf or Panarin. People can blame Quinn all they want for his usage but if he was a better option for Panarin last year than Strome, Panarin would absolutely be asking for him and he'd get him.

 

[Kocur Dill]

I think with Chytil it's less about the "now or never" being on him rather it's "now or never" for the team's usage of him. So far they appear to have been pretty much against including him in trades this offseason for another center, so if that's the case they believe he's got the potential to solve their problems internally. Unless they want to develop him into a 3rd line center, the time to use him as the 2nd line C guy is now. And then it's his opportunity to grab.

Agreed. But, how much influence does Panarin have on who his lineages are? Then you have Zibanejad locked in as 1c.

 

[Bruner4329]

Genuinely the only thing not to like about Fil is his faceoff prowess.

I think having Goodrow on his wing will help with that tremendously.

I think of Chytil as the center ice version of Carl Hagelin, plus a lot more size and skill.

Chytil's biggest issue here is that he isn't a player who compliments his wingers, its not a knock its just who he is as a player and his style of play. I don't see a time where Panarin asks to be on his wing, or Lafreniere for that matter, he's just not a give and go player, he's more of a straight line player who drives the net, its not a bad thing but if our top 6 has Laf and Panarin on different lines it's not ideal to have him as their center. I would absolutely love a 3rd line of Kreider Chytil and Goodrow because i think that line could play well together, get in on the forecheck and turn dmen around. To sum up, i like Chytil i just don't see him as a center for either Laf or Panarin. People can blame Quinn all they want for his usage but if he was a better option for Panarin last year than Strome, Panarin would absolutely be asking for him and he'd get him.

This +. You have made a strong point here. Some view this as a put down of FC but I think you are spot on. For the type of wingers we have on our first 2 lines he is not the type of center that is needed.

 

[LokiDog]

If Fil has Goodrow take most of his draws and then switch like Landeskog does, I think a line with them and one of Kreids/Krav will do well this year.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Agreed. But, how much influence does Panarin have on who his lineages are? Then you have Zibanejad locked in as 1c.

Panarin gets what Panarin wants, through every league I've been involved in and coaches pretend it doesnt happen but star players get to play with who they want until it doesnt work. Imo Panarin came here to play with Zib, but when Zib went out he liked playing with Strome and they havent looked back from that.

 

[DialUp]

If Fil has Goodrow take most of his draws and then switch like Landeskog does, I think a line with them and one of Kreids/Krav will do well this year.

Was thinking that as a possibility; though interested to see if a Goodrow/Fil combo would even work at all. Fil is tough to place, he doesn't appear to have the typical "3rd line" center game, but didn't seem to be ready for 2nd line duties either. This is all on Gallant now.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Agreed. But, how much influence does Panarin have on who his lineages are? Then you have Zibanejad locked in as 1c.

The answer is he should have some but not all the say but if you want to make him happy then you need to trade Chytil and go get something this team needs. If we're not going to put him into position to succeed offensively then trade him.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Was thinking that as a possibility; though interested to see if a Goodrow/Fil combo would even work at all. Fil is tough to place, he doesn't appear to have the typical "3rd line" center game, but didn't seem to be ready for 2nd line duties either. This is all on Gallant now.

His style lends itself to a 3rd line, his faceoffs are an issue but you put him with Goodrow and Kreider and i think you have a lot of elements that would make that a very tough line to against, speed, strength, scoring ability, physical play its all there.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

This +. You have made a strong point here. Some view this as a put down of FC but I think you are spot on. For the type of wingers we have on our first 2 lines he is not the type of center that is needed.

This is bull shit.

He has like one of the highest (if not the highest, I forget but he's top 2) high danger chance for rates on the team. We have creative playmaking wingers, hes EXACTLY the type of center you want playing with those guys.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

The answer is he should have some but not all the say but if you want to make him happy then you need to trade Chytil and go get something this team needs. If we're not going to put him into position to succeed offensively then trade him.

Why trade him? Why can't we have 3 lines that are capable of scoring? I don't get why he has to go if he's not in the top 6. Kotkaniemi is gonna sign a deal in the 4 mill range after this one year deal, having Fil on the 3rd line in that range would be a big asset in our hopes for playoffs. I don't know why he has to be top 6 or traded, just surround him with good players, we have enough for 3 lines of them right now.

 

[DialUp]

His style lends itself to a 3rd line, his faceoffs are an issue but you put him with Goodrow and Kreider and i think you have a lot of elements that would make that a very tough line to against, speed, strength, scoring ability, physical play its all there.

If that line turns out to be our "3rd line", and Chytil has been improved..then who the hell needs Danault? Still don't think CK starts there; SHOULD end up there. Excited to find out.

 

[DialUp]

He has like one of the highest (if not the highest, I forget but he's top 2) high danger chance for rates on the team. We have creative playmaking wingers, hes EXACTLY the type of center you want playing with those guys.

I think it would be a failure for him if he isn't considered a viable option to replace Strome at the TDL.

 

[RangersFan1994]

 

[Zibanejbread]

 

[Shesterkybomb]

This is bull shit.

He has like one of the highest (if not the highest, I forget but he's top 2) high danger chance for rates on the team. We have creative playmaking wingers, hes EXACTLY the type of center you want playing with those guys.

Fils high danger chances do nothing to set up Panarin or create space for him thats the problem and they are generally a one and done play. If Fils game doesn't morph into more of a distributer he will never get time with elite wingers. I cant count how many times Fil had passing options but passed on them to try and beat the d 1 on 1 and turn the puck over, thats not what Panarin or Lafreniere want, they want possession of that puck and a better chance of extended offensive zone time. People trash on Strome but if you watch him and Panarin together its all about passing and getting open for both of them and they both play the same way so they can figure out where each other will be before they even move, thats not on Fils radar at all.

 

[RangersFan1994]

Rangers have 9 mil in cap space according to CapFriendly.com


I wonder if the rangers will sign one more player or trade for someone like Larkin (example, prefer him over Eichel) UFA in the summer of 23.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Rangers have 9 mil in cap space according to CapFriendly.com


I wonder if the rangers will sign one more player or trade for someone like Larkin (example, prefer him over Eichel) UFA in the summer of 23.

Larkin would be my prefered center, im doubtful Detroit moves on from him without an overpay.

 

[RangerBoy]

Saying it’s now or never for Chytil is so absurd

Yeah it’s now or never for him, even though the Rangers haven’t actually given him an opportunity to be anything more than a 3C and he’s gotten better every year

But yeah, now or never

The Rangers aren't going to wait forever for Chytil. He needs to take a big step in his career if he wants to be part of the Rangers.

You can't see that?

He needs to take advantage of whatever opportunity the Rangers give him. He really hasn't taken advantage of the opportunities Quinn gave him. They may not have been great opportunities but he could have forced them to give them more responsibility with his play.

The excuses have to stop. This season will be his 4th full NHL season. He played 9 AHL games a few years ago. He played 60 nHL games that season. There comes a point in time where the Rangers will look to move on if Chytil has another mediocre season. Going through the motions is not enough.

Drury and Gallant will find someone else.

Yeah, now or never.

 

[Fitzy]

If Fil has Goodrow take most of his draws and then switch like Landeskog does, I think a line with them and one of Kreids/Krav will do well this year.

Absolutely.

I could easily see 50 goals from a 3rd line of Kreider, Chytil, Goodrow. Probably more like 40 removing Chris's PP contributions.