Speculation: Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXIII

[bobbop]

On a related note, this is breaking...

HFNYR to Move On from Tob

According to Larry Brooks of the New York Post, HFNYR will move on from @Tob.

Tob, exact age unknown, joined HFNYR as a free agent in 2017. Initially a walk-on and without signing a contract, he offered to post on HFNYR for free.

Over the past four seasons, Tob was a profilic HFNYR poster, amassing over 9,300 posts and collecting over 15,500 likes along the way. He developed a reputation for his humor, and his likes-to-messages ratio was consistently tops among HFNYR.

Tob's posts were characterized by a quick wit and impeccable timing. One of his more memorable outings was an irreverent imagination of a frenzied day in the life of self-assured hockey pundit Rick Carpiniello during NHL free agency. His trademark "or I delete my account" posts often challenged impossible feats to occur from Rangers players during games, yet he continually managed to remain on the board and preserve his standing.

"Tob was a good HFNYR poster," said Gardner McKay, one of HFNYR's moderators. "He was a funny guy, but he got weird at times -- too much for me. We wish him well as he continues his message board posting career."

The HF Boards free agency period began last week, and rumors are already swirling around Tob's release. According to Brooks, the Canes, Jets, and Flames boards are said to be front-runners vying for Tob's services.

(Re-posted with permission from HFNYR mods.)

Another wasted asset. Nothing was expected from Tob but somehow he showed even less. I can't believe the way he pouted when it was suggested that he go to the American League Board to practice. Things ultimately hit bottom when he threw his participation trophy into the stands.

This is what happens when you marry a lack of talent with a lousy attitude.

So as we often say here; AMFYOYO

Word is that he may get another chance on the Coyotes board. along with the Rangers service dog who flunked out of obedience school.

 

[Peltz]

Chytil. This is a big season for him. Gallant is his 3rd NHL head coach. Make or break. Now or never.

I think he makes it. He was doing really well before he got injured last year.

 

[will1066]

Another wasted asset. Nothing was expected from Tob but somehow he showed even less. I can't believe the way he pouted when it was suggested that he go to the American League Board to practice. Things ultimately hit bottom when he threw his participation trophy into the stands.

This is what happens when you marry a lack of talent with a lousy attitude.

So as we often say here; AMFYOYO

Word is that he may get another chance on the Coyotes board. along with the Rangers service dog who flunked out of obedience school.

When he threw that trophy, it was a development that really left everyone's jaws open, like when it was revealed that Marty McSorley was the co-pilot of the plane that carried Nicolas Cage and prisoners in Con Air.

 

[Fitzy]

Chytil has improved each year he's been in the league, it's just that he's very inconsistent and it comes in spurts so it's more difficult to notice.

Each season, his hot streaks have been longer.

Last year his PPG was as high as it's been with precisely 0 PP points. He even broke 40% in the circle for the first time.

If we alter our expectations to a 45-50 point two-way 2nd line center who isn't a PP staple, I mean, that's a really solid and important player. We just need to get the MF on the penalty kill so he can get more minutes.

 

[Bluto]

The idea would be to make the team better long term more than this season.

I know some people retch at that suggestion but it's a valid one whether you agree with it or not.



You are getting like 5 years younger at #1 center by acquiring Eichel. That's extremely important when you need to build around Kakko and Lafreniere. 1C is literally the hardest position to fill and you can do it in one move.

But you have no idea about the health of that player before even acquiring him. It's completely moronic.
Neck fusion surgery is no joke. If he gets that he will never be the same. I know because I've had it. You're tying up 10 mil per year in a dude who has, very likely, already peaked due to this injury. I had the exact same injury as him and the exact same surgery Buffalo wants him to get. I was a very fit, active rich dude with the best doctors and physical therapists. I have never regained complete strength or feeling in my arms. 5 years after the surgery I started having disc problems at the vertebrate around where I had surgery. This is very very common.
No team is going to let Jack Eichel be the case study for prosthetic discs in hockey. He makes too much money. And I actually think if his case is as bad as he's making it out to be that the prosthetic is favorable to fusion surgery. He will probably have a much longer career. With fusion, he'll be out of the league by age 32.

Based on my personal experience with this injury, there is no way in hell I would trade for that guy hoping he would be this elite number 1 center who will play 75 games per year. Especially with all of the big contracts coming out. Eichel will end up being a massive anchor.

And his shooting percentage from last year tells me he has the exact same problems I did prior to the surgery. He probably can't even feel his hands some days and others they're on fire with pins and needles.

So acquiring Eichel means losing Zibby, Strome, and Chytl. and you're gutting your top 3 centers for a dude who likely won't play in 2021-2022, and who has at least a 50% chance of never being the same.

Acquiring Eichel right now would be like going into a casino, and betting your entire life's savings on a field bet at the craps table.

So think about it. Trading for Eichel means Strome and Chytil are out. That means NYR doesn't have a 2C or 3C for 2021-2022 because Eichel will be out for a lot of games, potentially the entire season.
Then in 2022-2023, Zibby walks and you cross your fingers Eichel can return to form... and you still don't have a 2C or 3C or the cap space to add one. But, if Eichel does not regain form and comes back as a 50 point center/power play specialist like Stamkos, the Rangers would be completely f***ed.

 

[Avery16]

Would rather take a chance on Hertl’s knees than on Eichel’s neck.

 

[Tob]

Would rather take a chance on Hertl’s knees than on Eichel’s neck.

Would rather take a chance on Zibanejad's concussion scoring 40 goals at 36 at this point.

 

[bleedblue94]

is there any new report on something with eichel or is it just a flair up of the eichel herpes today?

 

[Fitzy]

It's a six game preseason, which I would guess for at least the first couple games will be with the split-squad tactic to get a look at players in a variety of roles, even if they are expected to start the season in the AHL.

Panarin-Strome-Kakko -------- Kreider-Zibanejad-Lafreniere
Goodrow-Chytil-Kravtsov --------- Barron-Henriksson-Pajuniemi
Reaves-Richards-Gauthier -------- Blais-Rooney-Hunt
Cuylle-Khodorenko-Gettinger -------- McKegg-Brodzinski-Elmer

Lindgren-Fox -------- Miller-Trouba
Tinordi-Bitteto -------- Nemeth-Lundkvist
Jones-Schneider -------- Robertson-Hajek

Everybody gets a look. Except, apparently, Reunanen and Skinner, who I'd rather see over Hajek/Bitteto but seems unlikely.

 

[Levitate]

Marty McSorley was the co-pilot of the plane that carried Nicolas Cage and prisoners in Con Air.

haha good joke...wait...goddamn

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

It's a six game preseason, which I would guess for at least the first couple games will be with the split-squad tactic to get a look at players in a variety of roles, even if they are expected to start the season in the AHL.

Panarin-Strome-Kakko -------- Kreider-Zibanejad-Lafreniere
Goodrow-Chytil-Kravtsov --------- Barron-Henriksson-Pajuniemi
Reaves-Richards-Gauthier -------- Blais-Rooney-Hunt
Cuylle-Khodorenko-Gettinger -------- McKegg-Brodzinski-Elmer

Lindgren-Fox -------- Miller-Trouba
Tinordi-Bitteto -------- Nemeth-Lundkvist
Jones-Schneider -------- Robertson-Hajek

Everybody gets a look. Except, apparently, Reunanen and Skinner, who I'd rather see over Hajek/Bitteto but seems unlikely.

I rather play with 5 defensemen than having to watch Hájek again

 

[RangersFan1994]

 

[Zibanejbread]

 

[LORDE]

Another wasted asset. Nothing was expected from Tob but somehow he showed even less. I can't believe the way he pouted when it was suggested that he go to the American League Board to practice. Things ultimately hit bottom when he threw his participation trophy into the stands.

This is what happens when you marry a lack of talent with a lousy attitude.

So as we often say here; AMFYOYO

Word is that he may get another chance on the Coyotes board. along with the Rangers service dog who flunked out of obedience school.

He may still have a career in acting tho...

I hope he heads to the "Method-one" clinic and gets the much needed help he... um needs... the most.

 

[duhmetreE]

Apparently, Goodrow's 2 cups are worth $6.6M

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Apparently, Goodrow's 2 cups are worth $6.6M

he’s also better. Not that it makes the contract good, but yeah.

isles have like 9 guys guys on that roster that are at risk of getting old overnight. Wouldn’t be shocked if their identity line all end up taking a massive step backwards next year.

 

[Avery16]

Apparently, Goodrow's 2 cups are worth $6.6M

We dont need the Cizikas contract to understand that the Goodrow contract is horrible.

 

[CommaSynapse]

It's a six game preseason, which I would guess for at least the first couple games will be with the split-squad tactic to get a look at players in a variety of roles, even if they are expected to start the season in the AHL.

Panarin-Strome-Kakko -------- Kreider-Zibanejad-Lafreniere
Goodrow-Chytil-Kravtsov --------- Barron-Henriksson-Pajuniemi
Reaves-Richards-Gauthier -------- Blais-Rooney-Hunt
Cuylle-Khodorenko-Gettinger -------- McKegg-Brodzinski-Elmer

Lindgren-Fox -------- Miller-Trouba
Tinordi-Bitteto -------- Nemeth-Lundkvist
Jones-Schneider -------- Robertson-Hajek

Everybody gets a look. Except, apparently, Reunanen and Skinner, who I'd rather see over Hajek/Bitteto but seems unlikely.

I like Reunanen. I know it's very unlikely he makes the team and might be a 5/6 if all goes well, but I'd still like to see him get a shot here.

 

[haohmaru]

Would rather take a chance on Hertl’s knees than on Eichel’s neck.

I'll take Pass on Those Deals for $500, Alex.

 

[RangerBoy]

 

[RangerBoy]

I think he makes it. He was doing really well before he got injured last year.

Now or never.
Make or break.
Put up or shut up.

This is a huge season for Chytil. He is still a young guy but he has been in the NHL for a while. It's getting late early. The Rangers need him.

 

[LokiDog]

Apparently, Goodrow's 2 cups are worth $6.6M

Cizikas at 30 years old with no cups gets 2.5M
Goodrow at 28 years old with 2 cups gets 3.6M

Not that crazy, especially when Cizikas is GOING to be the 4C and Goodrow is unlikely to be outside of the top 9.

Cizikas averages 13:30ish per night, regular season and playoffs.
Goodrow averaged 15 minutes last season and 17-18 minutes per night in each of the Cup runs. That’s a big role.

 

[Levitate]

Cizikas is a good defensive forward and pretty good player, somewhat different roles than Goodrow though. I think the idea of your 4th line as your "Identity Line" that needs to be kept together long term is somewhat foolish though

 

[bobbop]

Cizikas at 30 years old with no cups gets 2.5M
Goodrow at 28 years old with 2 cups gets 3.6M

Not that crazy, especially when Cizikas is GOING to be the 4C and Goodrow is unlikely to be outside of the top 9.

Cizikas averages 13:30ish, regular season and playoffs.
Goodrow averaged 15 minutes last season and 17-18 minutes the last two playoffs.

Cizikas couldn’t hit a bull in the ass with a shovel full of hay.

 

[RangerBoy]

Chytil has improved each year he's been in the league, it's just that he's very inconsistent and it comes in spurts so it's more difficult to notice.

Each season, his hot streaks have been longer.

Last year his PPG was as high as it's been with precisely 0 PP points. He even broke 40% in the circle for the first time.

If we alter our expectations to a 45-50 point two-way 2nd line center who isn't a PP staple, I mean, that's a really solid and important player. We just need to get the MF on the penalty kill so he can get more minutes.

This article is from October 2017.

Chytil doesn’t have the heavy offensive upside that the players taken before him do. He doesn’t project to be a top line pivot, but that isn’t what he was drafted to be. The Rangers have Zibanejad and Andersson. Chytil is projected to be a really good, dependable, two-way pivot with the ability to put the puck in the net. His skating is NHL ready and then some, he moves the puck well, and his shot has the potential to be a big weapon. He understands the defensive side of the game and where he needs to be, one of the biggest hurdles for a young pivot. Once he gets a little stronger and grows into his body, he should contribute the way Couturier and Kadri contribute to their teams. That is, a good two-way player, capable of being the matchup (shutdown) guy, that plays both sides of special teams, and can contribute offensively. With the NHL moving toward speed and scoring, having a pivot who can skate on both sides of the puck and contribute offensively is key to being successful. The Rangers have a good one in Chytil, he will be a key piece of their future.

The Video Room: Filip Chytil is the Rangers' future two-way pivot

Couturier has become more than a 2 way center in the last 3-4 seasons.

Gourde and Danault were key players on their teams.