Speculation: Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXIII

[NYR Viper]

I guess thats one way of looking at it.

But it's a Tesla Model X that needs a single new motor right now but has also had to get an axel replaced, the gears keep on slipping, the trunk is stuck closed and the AC doesn't work.

Too much focus has been on Eichel's neck and not enough on the overall injury history. This isn't a player who is going to age well.

Age well? The guy's contract ends early enough in his career that they won't care how he ages at 35-39.

I am not even gung ho about trading for him but I think it requires a bit of a nuanced take. There are a lot of variables, it's not just x and y, ya know?

 

[DutchShamrock]

Waiting for the "Can Othmann play center?" comments

Everyone can play center in the future except current centers.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Age well? The guy's contract ends early enough in his career that they won't care how he ages at 35-39.

I am not even gung ho about trading for him but I think it requires a bit of a nuanced take. There are a lot of variables, it's not just x and y, ya know?

Even through the rest of his 20's.

People don't typically become more durable as they age. He had an assortment of physical issues already and hes only 24.

 

[OthmannOut]

On a related note, this is breaking...

HFNYR to Move On from Tob

According to Larry Brooks of the New York Post, HFNYR will move on from @Tob.

Tob, exact age unknown, joined HFNYR as a free agent in 2017. Initially a walk-on and without signing a contract, he offered to post on HFNYR for free.

Over the past four seasons, Tob was a profilic HFNYR poster, amassing over 9,300 posts and collecting over 15,500 likes along the way. He developed a reputation for his humor, and his likes-to-messages ratio was consistently tops among HFNYR.

Tob's posts were characterized by a quick wit and impeccable timing. One of his more memorable outings was an irreverent imagination of a frenzied day in the life of self-assured hockey pundit Rick Carpiniello during NHL free agency. His trademark "or I delete my account" posts often challenged impossible feats to occur from Rangers players during games, yet he continually managed to remain on the board and preserve his standing.

"Tob was a good HFNYR poster," said Gardner McKay, one of HFNYR's moderators. "He was a funny guy, but he got weird at times -- too much for me. We wish him well as he continues his message board posting career."

The HF Boards free agency period began last week, and rumors are already swirling around Tob's release. According to Brooks, the Canes, Jets, and Flames boards are said to be front-runners vying for Tob's services.

(Re-posted with permission from HFNYR mods.)

It's amazing how Tob is both an analyst and a message board poster -- the world's first analposter.

 

[EpicDing]

On a related note, this is breaking...

HFNYR to Move On from Tob

According to Larry Brooks of the New York Post, HFNYR will move on from @Tob.

Tob, exact age unknown, joined HFNYR as a free agent in 2017. Initially a walk-on and without signing a contract, he offered to post on HFNYR for free.

Over the past four seasons, Tob was a profilic HFNYR poster, amassing over 9,300 posts and collecting over 15,500 likes along the way. He developed a reputation for his humor, and his likes-to-messages ratio was consistently tops among HFNYR.

Tob's posts were characterized by a quick wit and impeccable timing. One of his more memorable outings was an irreverent imagination of a frenzied day in the life of self-assured hockey pundit Rick Carpiniello during NHL free agency. His trademark "or I delete my account" posts often challenged impossible feats to occur from Rangers players during games, yet he continually managed to remain on the board and preserve his standing.

"Tob was a good HFNYR poster," said Gardner McKay, one of HFNYR's moderators. "He was a funny guy, but he got weird at times -- too much for me. We wish him well as he continues his message board posting career."

The HF Boards free agency period began last week, and rumors are already swirling around Tob's release. According to Brooks, the Canes, Jets, and Flames boards are said to be front-runners vying for Tob's services.

(Re-posted with permission from HFNYR mods.)

I heard they let him walk because @Tob kept licking all the food in the locker room fridge and saying "It's mine now."

 

[Mac n Gs]

I don't know about this. It's dumb, but no one wants to be first on these things.

Well I guess it’s a good thing that HSS and NYP have been ramping up their advertisements for their specialities in ortho surgery and rehabilitative spine care lately

 

[Levitate]

The Eichel situation is bad because Buffalo is approaching it as "we must win this trade hands down" but their asset is a disgruntled player who requested a trade after having disagreements with them about treating an injury that is still outstanding

I think at some point Buffalo is going to have to accept that getting an acceptable return and doing well in a trade is going to be far better than holding out for the moon and paying Eichel to sit out and cause a distraction and continue to fight over the injury and surgery until his NTC kicks in and makes things even more difficult

Buffalo seems like they feel they have to "win this trade" to salvage some dignity and respect but everyone already thinks they're a joke

 

[TheBloodyNine]

The only thing that has me thinking otherwise is what if the Sabres are truly getting terrible offers rn and basically tell Eichel to get back on the ice to up his value or sit in the press box until he changes his mind

1 - He's not getting back on the ice until he has surgery. When is that happening? What type of surgery? It won't be any time soon so how is he getting showcased? He'll be sitting in the press box till for six months anyway if the Sabres got their way with the surgery.
2 - He doesn't want to be there. The chances are that that shows on the ice is high to very high. Is that the risk Buffalo wants to take? Could 86 whatever value he did have. They also don't want him anywhere near their young players who they are trying to convince that Buffalo is a place they want to be.

Here's the other thing - the Sabres aren't getting terrible offers. Nobody is trying to trade a couple of seconds and thirds for him. They just aren't getting the offers that they want, which are in no way based in reality. Even if he's healthy, he's still a player who doesn't want to be there who is less than a year away from saying "The only team I'm going to accept a trade to is the Bruins" which will be after they pay him over 3/4 of his salary in signing bonus for that year. There is pressure here on their part - having Eichel on this team doesn't in any way help them achieve what they actual want to, which is to build a team

Jack has been pretty much silent throughout this whole thing (the emoji notwithstanding) since the breakup day. Imagine he changes that? Buffalo has a #1 overall pick that can take the college route if he wants and then go pick his team - imagine if Jack starts badmouthing the Sabres publicly?

It's just not a tenable situation. He'll report to camp because he wants to get paid and he knows he won't have to play for them or actually be around the team. But at some point soon, the surgery is going to need to be sorted.

 

[Synergy27]

Erixon in 2012 was more valuable than Robertson today.

Chytil and Anisimov are a toss up for me.

Strome's production is better than Dubinsky's at the time but that's about it.

Erixon was (incorrectly) highly regarded. I’ll give you that. I’m way, way higher on Chytil than I ever was on Anisimov though.

Dubi was the one player I was iffy on in the comparison. I’d prefer peak Dubi to Strome on a team looking to win in the playoffs for sure, but Strome’s production should put him in another tier.

 

[RangersFan1994]

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Erixon was (incorrectly) highly regarded. I’ll give you that. I’m way, way higher on Chytil than I ever was on Anisimov though.

Dubi was the one player I was iffy on in the comparison. I’d prefer peak Dubi to Strome on a team looking to win in the playoffs for sure, but Strome’s production should put him in another tier.

Ignoring the production (where we all know that Strome's is tied to who he plays with), Dubi was signed for another 3 seasons when he was traded. Strome is a UFA after this year.

 

[will1066]

Man. So much tragedy. Father and son are together now.

 

[mas0764]

So lets say we trade Strome and Chytil (plus more) for Eichel. Who plays center behind Zibanejad while Eichel misses potentially the entire season? We're in a worse situation than when we started.

The idea would be to make the team better long term more than this season.

I know some people retch at that suggestion but it's a valid one whether you agree with it or not.

Eichel sure as shit is missing significant time this year. We won't make the playoffs with a center depth of Zibanejad and literally nothing.
Then whats the center situation next season? Eichel (with a prosthetic neck or fused neck) and literally nothing.
Trading for Eichel makes absolutely no sense of you really sit down and assess the center situation.

You are getting like 5 years younger at #1 center by acquiring Eichel. That's extremely important when you need to build around Kakko and Lafreniere. 1C is literally the hardest position to fill and you can do it in one move.

 

[mas0764]

Even through the rest of his 20's.

People don't typically become more durable as they age. He had an assortment of physical issues already and hes only 24.

A fair take but he's also been healthy enough that he's put up 82 and 78 points his last two full-ish seasons. So while dinged up with stuff he's still been productive.

It's why you can't trade the farm for him, but if the cost is Strome (who we are moving on from anyway, so consider the loss really more like "what we would have gotten back for him," - maybe a late first), Chytil (someone who will likely never put up close to 82 points), Robertson (a defenseman who we have an excess of and can't use them all) and another late first, it is really a no-brainer.

If the cost is long term pieces for us like Kravtsov and Lundkvist then you have to say no.

 

[Bruner4329]

Dubi was the one player I was iffy on in the comparison. I’d prefer peak Dubi to Strome on a team looking to win in the playoffs for sure, but Strome’s production should put him in another tier.

Have you actually looked at the production comparisons. There is not much difference and if you look at the years prior to the last 2 for Strome Dubi was actually better. No way Strome is another tier. We really over rate players on this roster to the extreme at times.

 

[Fitzy]

Chytil is worth a lot more right now, both to us and in a trade, than Kravtsov is. That really can't be emphasized enough.

It's like comparing K'Andre Miller with Jones or Robertson.

 

[NYR Viper]

Man. So much tragedy. Father and son are together now.

Did I miss something?

 

[mas0764]

Chytil is worth a lot more right now, both to us and in a trade, than Kravtsov is. That really can't be emphasized enough.

It's like comparing K'Andre Miller with Jones or Robertson.

Depends on the return.

Kravtsov for a center fills the whole at center but creates a hole in the top 6 RW spot. I don't think just shifting Lafreniere or Kreider over is the answer.

Chytil for a center creates a void at future 2C, but if you are filling future 1C, you are at least getting a net gain there.

 

[Fitzy]

Depends on the return.

Kravtsov for a center fills the whole at center but creates a hole in the top 6 RW spot. I don't think just shifting Lafreniere or Kreider over is the answer.

Chytil for a center creates a void at future 2C, but if you are filling future 1C, you are at least getting a net gain there.

In this scenario you have many options for 2RW

1) Shift Lafreniere
2) Shift Strome to RW, since we would have Zibby, Center, Chytil left.
3) Give one last serious look to Gauthier
4) Play Goodrow in the top 6 in a Fast role
5) Take a look at Pajuniemi there

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Why wouldn't Laf to RW be a possible solution?

It's his off wing and he is good enough to make plays on his backhand, more so than Kreider.

I think LW next to Zibanejad is a likely starting spot for him if Gallant doesn't want to load the top line but I don't see it as a detriment to him or his game. Kravtsov has played both sides as well and for all the whining and pining for a C that I've read here, he is probably most suited of all of our wingers to make the switch there. That would probably be his best bet to stick in NY long term too.

 

[SA16]

Why wouldn't Laf to RW be a possible solution?

It's his off wing and he is good enough to make plays on his backhand, more so than Kreider.

I think LW next to Zibanejad is a likely starting spot for him if Gallant doesn't want to load the top line but I don't see it as a detriment to him or his game. Kravtsov has played both sides as well and for all the whining and pining for a C that I've read here, he is probably most suited of all of our wingers to make the switch there if necessary.

Because this is hockey, a sport where whatever position you play at age 16 you are locked into that position or an easier position for the rest of your life.

 

[mas0764]

If we are moving players around then let's start with Kravtsov or Lafreniere to center then.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

If we are moving players around then let's start with Kravtsov or Lafreniere to center then.

I'm on board with this.

 

[CommaSynapse]

Erixon was (incorrectly) highly regarded. I’ll give you that. I’m way, way higher on Chytil than I ever was on Anisimov though.

Dubi was the one player I was iffy on in the comparison. I’d prefer peak Dubi to Strome on a team looking to win in the playoffs for sure, but Strome’s production should put him in another tier.

I'd love a peak Dubi on this team. Dude could play, could agitate, and could destroy a Gatorade cooler. I'd rather that brand of toughness than Jared Tinordi. Pretty sure a Dubi-like player is what the Rangers hoped they were getting in Lias.

Never forget.





Not 100% sold on him as a 2C, so like you, I'd lean more towards Strome with his production.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Prime Dubi and Prime Staal would be excellent fits within the current constructs of our team.

If Kadri weren't such a wildcard I'd love to add him in the off season as he has that brand of game while still being good offensively but he's a little too cray. Can't help the team win in the playoffs if you're going to do stupid shit and have to sit out for doing stupid shit.