Speculation: Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXIII

[Taluss]

I heard the Blues could be interested in Chara, not sure if he wants to play another year or where.

Pretty sure there’s a thread on main boards saying he’d only play in the East.

& Not sure if anything has changed since but:

 

[Deleted member 23124]

Plus their system was a loose term.

I think "Helter Skelter" would be a better description -- especially on defense.

 

[jay from jersey]

So the Eichel emoji was on August 19th. Friedman said the meeting between Sabres, Eichel's agents, NHLPA was on the 18th. His agent is fired a week later. Eichel must have been pushing for something tangible and substantial in that NHLPA meeting that Friedman said went nowhere. Seems like he's serious about this disc replacement surgery and it may not just be posturing against the Sabres. Safe to say that meeting was the final attempt at moving forward between team and player. Jack will most likely sit at home until he's traded at the Sabres' leisure. They have him signed for the long haul. They have control of his medical decisions. This late into the off season with Eichel still needing months and months to heal, I doubt any team will make a move for a player that won't help them make the playoffs unless it's Vegas. This might end up being a January acquisition to sneak Eichel back in at the playoffs if the surgery takes 3-4 months of recovery.

This. If a trade doesn’t happen before camp, to the point where he can get the surgery, heal and actually make an impact this season, Eichel will be traded at the end of the season or draft next year. That’s they only 2 ways I see this situation playing out.
No team, especially ones in the playoff hunt are going to want to give up a lot for a guy that can’t help them until next year. That would be beyond dumb. Those are most likely the type of teams that would be looking to add Eichel in the first place

 

[Deleted member 23124]

This. If a trade doesn’t happen before camp, to the point where he can get the surgery, heal and actually make an impact this season, Eichel will be traded at the end of the season or draft next year. That’s they only 2 ways I see this situation playing out.
No team, especially ones in the playoff hunt are going to want to give up a lot for a guy that can’t help them until next year. That would be beyond dumb. Those are most likely the type of teams that would be looking to add Eichel in the first place

I honestly don't think a trade will happen until the surgery question is settled. I don't see any team allowing him to have a surgery that isn't covered by their insurance.

 

[jay from jersey]

I honestly don't think a trade will happen until the surgery question is settled. I don't see any team allowing him to have a surgery that isn't covered by their insurance.

There’s no way they let it get to the point where is NMC kicks in and he’s still a sabre. Surgery or not, that would be a colossal F-up by Adams. They would be forced To take a worse offer then the package then they are being offered now.
Plus Eichel is going to remember how this all played out. He’s not going to give Adams any leeway. If he wasn’t a 2-3 teams he’s going to stick to his guns and be difficult back

 

[Ola]

There’s no way they let it get to the point where is NMC kicks in and he’s still a sabre. Surgery or not, that would be a colossal F-up by Adams. They would be forced To take a worse offer then the package then they are being offered now.
Plus Eichel is going to remember how this all played out. He’s not going to give Adams any leeway. If he wasn’t a 2-3 teams he’s going to stick to his guns and be difficult back

Just my guess, but I think that the NMC basically is irrelevant. In cases like this it’s always a matter of leverage.

Buffalo can bring Eichel a team and ask if he will accept a trade there, if he doesn’t they don’t have to move him somewhere else. It becomes a waiting game Who can wait longer, Eichel or the Sabres? I don’t know about Eichel, but it does seem like the Sabres are in no hurry whatsoever. Right?

 

[CLW]

Just my guess, but I think that the NMC basically is irrelevant. In cases like this it’s always a matter of leverage.

Buffalo can bring Eichel a team and ask if he will accept a trade there, if he doesn’t they don’t have to move him somewhere else. It becomes a waiting game Who can wait longer, Eichel or the Sabres? I don’t know about Eichel, but it does seem like the Sabres are in no hurry whatsoever. Right?

The asset management of Buffalo letting their PReCiouS fRaNChIsE cENtEr, worth godzillions in blue chip prospects no less, just sit and rot on the sidelines is comical. Eichel is simultaneously useless and unneeded to Buffalo and underrated and underappreciated by other managers who refuse to pony up.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

The asset management of Buffalo letting their PReCiouS fRaNChIsE cENtEr, worth godzillions in blue chip prospects no less, just sit and rot on the sidelines is comical. Eichel is simultaneously useless and unneeded to Buffalo and underrated and underappreciated by other managers who refuse to pony up.

I said from the start that the return for Eichel is going to be close to what we paid for Nash in 2012. The longer it takes, the harder it is to argue with that.

 

[CLW]

I said from the start that the return for Eichel is going to be close to what we paid for Nash in 2012. The longer it takes, the harder it is to argue with that.

Yes, that take always made the most sense to me.

 

[motopanekeku]

I said from the start that the return for Eichel is going to be close to what we paid for Nash in 2012. The longer it takes, the harder it is to argue with that.

So Dubi and Anisimov is enough? Get it done Slats..

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

So Dubi and Anisimov is enough? Get it done Slats..

Dubinsky - Strome
Anisimov - Chytil
Erixon - Robertson
1st - 1st

Our forward lines would look like this:

Lafrenière-Zibanejad-Kravtsov
Panarin-Eichel-Kakko
Kreider-Goodrow-Gauthier
Blais-Rooney-Reaves/Barron

Rangers also got a 3rd in that trade which they used to draft Buchnevich, but let's not go too crazy and stick with the 4 assets.

 

[Ola]

I said from the start that the return for Eichel is going to be close to what we paid for Nash in 2012. The longer it takes, the harder it is to argue with that.

The NHL changes so fast, it’s a copy cat league. Who knows what will be everyone’s favorite flavor in 6 months/one season/two seasons.

But from my POV at least, every single parameter that can be observed point against Jake Eichel. How the teams look that have had success, how the team look that has been the biggest failures. Flat cap. Injury concern. Having played for the worst performing team in the league. Attitude issues. And so forth and so forth.

It’s one thing that Buffalo goes out hard and set the price extremely high. In fact, it’s an established fact that the party that makes the first bid on avg get more paid the higher the first bid is. A and O of negotiations. The question is if anyone bites.

 

[jay from jersey]

Just my guess, but I think that the NMC basically is irrelevant. In cases like this it’s always a matter of leverage.

Buffalo can bring Eichel a team and ask if he will accept a trade there, if he doesn’t they don’t have to move him somewhere else. It becomes a waiting game Who can wait longer, Eichel or the Sabres? I don’t know about Eichel, but it does seem like the Sabres are in no hurry whatsoever. Right?

It may seem like that. But Sabres are on an internal clock. They certainly don’t want to pay him his 7.5 mill bonus to sit in his ass. And embarrass them. It’s also an optical nightmare to have your captain and best player come out and say I don’t want to play for this team. Def don’t want that toxic attitude seeping into a locker room of impressionable youngsters.
It also prevents buffalo from using that 10 mill cap hit to improve their team.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

This. If a trade doesn’t happen before camp, to the point where he can get the surgery, heal and actually make an impact this season, Eichel will be traded at the end of the season or draft next year. That’s they only 2 ways I see this situation playing out.
No team, especially ones in the playoff hunt are going to want to give up a lot for a guy that can’t help them until next year. That would be beyond dumb. Those are most likely the type of teams that would be looking to add Eichel in the first place

Most likely, yes but I think people are underestimating owner ego. The Sabres are essentially a tax write off for the Pegulas, I can see them “punishing” JE by keeping him in limbo forever. Is it wise asset management, no. They would maybe prefer to send a message.

 

[rangers1314]

 

[Ola]

It may seem like that. But Sabres are on an internal clock. They certainly don’t want to pay him his 7.5 mill bonus to sit in his ass. And embarrass them. It’s also an optical nightmare to have your captain and best player come out and say I don’t want to play for this team. Def don’t want that toxic attitude seeping into a locker room of impressionable youngsters.
It also prevents buffalo from using that 10 mill cap hit to improve their team.

I could be wrong here — but isn’t it already out there that Eichel wants out of Buffalo and haven’t every kid there been marinated in his leadership already?

 

[RangerBoy]

I hate that guy.

What type of surgery is Eichel having? The NHL,NHLPA, Sabres and Eichel just had a meeting two weeks ago and there was no resolution on the surgery. Unless the Sabres realized the acquiring team will allow Eichel to have the ADR neck surgery so why should Buffalo care about the surgery. The acquiring team is not picking a fight with Eichel about the surgery. What's the point in that?

All of these guys suck up to Brisson.

 

[Synergy27]

Dubinsky - Strome
Anisimov - Chytil
Erixon - Robertson
1st - 1st

Our forward lines would look like this:

Lafrenière-Zibanejad-Kravtsov
Panarin-Eichel-Kakko
Kreider-Goodrow-Gauthier
Blais-Rooney-Reaves/Barron

Rangers also got a 3rd in that trade which they used to draft Buchnevich, but let's not go too crazy and stick with the 4 assets.

Every piece we’d be giving up in that trade is better/more valuable than the equivalent that went for Nash.

 

[Mac n Gs]

I hate that guy.

What type of surgery is Eichel having? The NHL,NHLPA, Sabres and Eichel just had a meeting two weeks ago and there was no resolution on the surgery. Unless the Sabres realized the acquiring team will allow Eichel to have the ADR neck surgery so why should Buffalo care about the surgery. The acquiring team is not picking a fight with Eichel about the surgery. What's the point in that?

All of these guys suck up to Brisson.

The shorter recovery window most likely means it’s the artificial disc replacement surgery. I’d imagine most teams would allow him to get the ADR surgery anyways once Buffalo let’s them look at his medicals

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

Uhhhhhhh....

1. Brisson isn't going to get opposing GMs to all of the sudden up the price they're willing to pay.

2. Is Eichel having the fusion now? Because all along the Artificial Disk Replacement surgery was talked about as having a 6-8 week recovery timeline, how is a surgery that happens any day now only having him ready by December which would be 14 weeks away?

I'd kill for a healthy Eichel on this team, but at this point, unless they're giving him away I don't want him. Let him rot on the sidelines.

Is Brisson like the #1 source for all of these reporters' scoops or something? They're all acting like he's Jesus Christ.

 

[Boris Zubov]

another finesse forward is the last thing this team needs. get me the next Jason Arnott Bill Guerin types. really wanted Landeskog and or that type of gritty talent.

You clearly haven't watched Hertl at all if you think he's a finesse player. He's a bull in a china shop & almost impossible to separate from the puck one on one.

 

[Bruner4329]

You clearly haven't watched Hertl at all if you think he's a finesse player. He's a bull in a china shop & almost impossible to separate from the puck one on one.

Something we can use very much on this team. It would be a great counter to what Zib brings as well. 2 different styles gives us greater flexibility and cause match up problems for other teams.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

So is Buffalo allowing Eichel to get the surgery he wants? That’s the best move for them tbh, get him healthy and then trade him

but that tweet reads like Brisson wrote it up himself. Has the same vibes as that ADA tweet Dreger sent out about a potential trade lol

 

[JimmyG89]

The Sabres completely screwed this whole process up, but who is surprised. Eichel should have been the first trade they made. Now, you've got a player that clearly doesn't want to be there, with no talent at all on the roster. Even if you could repair the issues he has with the organization, they won't even be able to benefit from him being there. We're talking a 3-4 years before this roster resembles anything decent. By then, he'd be back to being halfway out the door.

The time to move him was before the draft. The further they get away from this draft, the more of a mistake it is. Is their hope to move him to another team and hope they fall apart like when Karlsson was moved? I'm just not sure why they have waited this entire time. They are tanking this season, they want one of these young forwards from this upcoming draft and likely the next one too. Their return on Eichel isn't as important as those things. Just make the best move and be done with it.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Just my guess, but I think that the NMC basically is irrelevant. In cases like this it’s always a matter of leverage.

Buffalo can bring Eichel a team and ask if he will accept a trade there, if he doesn’t they don’t have to move him somewhere else. It becomes a waiting game Who can wait longer, Eichel or the Sabres? I don’t know about Eichel, but it does seem like the Sabres are in no hurry whatsoever. Right?

There's already enough teams limited with salary cap, actual money, etc that Eichel can just basically rule a bunch of teams out that can afford him and basically pick where he goes. If that happens, do you think Drury is more likely to add to his offer or subtract from it? They can't let it get to that point, i think they have painted themselves into a corner. Adams tried to play hardball likely because of the O'Reilly deal and ownership pressure. He needs to get this done soon, i look at NY here and say, we wanna make a playoff run this year while we have kids on entry deals, how far into the season can we go without Eichel if we trade for him? Time is ticking on Buffalo